Sova vs fade

So I've been playing valorant for about 2 months now and I've been stuck in plat 3 for weeks. I've been playing duelists like iso and jett for the most part, my aim is good but sometimes it's just not enough to win games on my own tho I do think my aim is at least worthy of ascendant. So I'm thinking of switching up my roles, I tried playing controlers but smoking isn't my thing and sentinels are boring to play, people told me to play cypher but his style of play is imo very scummy, hiding behind traps and only killing enemies off guard is not my thing and feels very dirty (no offense to cypher players), which only leaves one answer and that's an initiator role. I want to play the one that gives the most value for the team and I feel like having an agent that reveals enemys position might be the go. I tried kayo but he ain't for me, so that basicaly leaves me with either sova or fade. I don't watch competetive so I don't know which one is more viable and which one I should look into maining.

you dont care enough clearly if u think playing senti is scummy. if you rlly wanted rr nothing would be feel scummy to you
heroin addicts will do anything to get what they want. regardless of how scummy or wrong it is. you just dont want it bad enough

that being said it depends on the map for sova vs fade. ascent and icebox sova for sure, lotus fade for sure

honestly u can play either, both do their job. i reckon try them out and see how u go.

do u have any reasons why u don’t play controllers?

sova better for team fade better for solo, sova more useful fade easier, both very useable on all maps, try both of them and see which one u prefer, watch a few pro vods to try and mimic gamplay and whichever one ur better at keep trying to master because they have lots of depth and timings to them

k1rby [#3]

honestly u can play either, both do their job. i reckon try them out and see how u go.

do u have any reasons why u don’t play controllers?

I tried clove, I was fairly decent with her but I often find myself forgeting to smoke or just knowing what to smoke so it can sometimes impact my gameplay. I do play viper on icebox, tho.

just play clove

initiator is the worst for ranking up because your relying on setting up your teammates to get value (you should be able to identify the problem here)

but if you really want to play those two

Sova - Ascent Haven Breeze Icebox Sunset

Fade - Bind Lotus

either - pearl

neither - split (play skye or breach here)

lookup Johnnypkay and Tseeky for sova guides, Tseeky and Ztol for Fade guides
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killing enemies off guard is not my thing and feels very dirty

I know you're new to the game and i fully understand why people think cypher is ratty, but in general this game is about making the fights you take as unfair as possible. If you are in a situation where you give someone a fair fight when you could be using util to make it unfair, you aren't playing the game right and are bad.

if you want to bring the most value to your team then play cypher and solo anchor and tell your team to stack other site trust it works im asc

Not playing senti because it feels scummy is the worst excuse for being too lazy to learn how to play the role properly ever, and ive been playing since the dark ages of year 1

kanyefan4238173 [#2]

you dont care enough clearly if u think playing senti is scummy. if you rlly wanted rr nothing would be feel scummy to you
heroin addicts will do anything to get what they want. regardless of how scummy or wrong it is. you just dont want it bad enough

that being said it depends on the map for sova vs fade. ascent and icebox sova for sure, lotus fade for sure

I still want to feel rewarded when I kill. Killing trapped enemies tru cages and smokes don't feel good to me. I come from cs so I take big pride in raw mechanics and at least somewhat fair 1v1 duels. I just refuse to play cypher, even if it means I never rank up again.

Easily_baited_12yo [#10]

I still want to feel rewarded when I kill. Killing trapped enemies tru cages and smokes don't feel good to me. I come from cs so I take big pride in raw mechanics and at least somewhat fair 1v1 duels. I just refuse to play cypher, even if it means I never rank up again.

then why play odin with sova wallbanging and shooting highlighted enemies thru smokes

just lock reyna and peek mid every round

SolarX [#9]

Not playing senti because it feels scummy is the worst excuse for being too lazy to learn how to play the role properly ever, and ive been playing since the dark ages of year 1

There is not much to learn about cypher. Also I never said senti in general is scummy, only cypher, pretty sure I called the role boring in the thread as it requiers you to stay alive, I'm quite an agressive player myself. I did try to see what cypher is all about, I gave it a go, I'm not just talking out of my a**, didn't lose a single game on sunset when I played him without even looking up any tutorials, but never felt rewarded when I won. My rankup game, the first and only time I ranked up to diamond was dropping 17-2 in a 13-1 win on sunset with cypher, that was my second game with him. It just doesn't feel right playing him

Easily_baited_12yo [#12]

There is not much to learn about cypher. Also I never said senti in general is scummy, only cypher, pretty sure I called the role boring in the thread as it requiers you to stay alive, I'm quite an agressive player myself. I did try to see what cypher is all about, I gave it a go, I'm not just talking out of my a**, didn't lose a single game on sunset when I played him without even looking up any tutorials, but never felt rewarded when I won. My rankup game, the first and only time I ranked up to diamond was dropping 17-2 in a 13-1 win on sunset with cypher, that was my second game with him. It just doesn't feel right playing him

you think there is not much to learn about cypher because you are in diamond and are still learning the game. Try anchoring on breeze B site in high rank and being expected to be good for one against a full site hit and you'll see there's levels to it.

you're the same rank as me and i've played for 2 years and 5 months 😢

Yuh_aye [#13]

you think there is not much to learn about cypher because you are in diamond and are still learning the game. Try anchoring on breeze B site in high rank and being expected to be good for one against a full site hit and you'll see there's levels to it.

I'll worry about that when I'm a high rank, if I ever get there that is.

Easily_baited_12yo [#15]

I'll worry about that when I'm a high rank, if I ever get there that is.

plat 3 in just 2 months is pretty good, just keep playing and you'll be there one day

If you're deciding between Sova and Fade, I think the best option is to learn both, because each one is a lot better on a few maps. If you're hell-bent on picking just one, though, then go Sova as he's meta on more maps than Fade (plus Lotus is rotating out anyway).

That being said, though, just because Cypher is a sentinel doesn't mean you need to be scummy when you play him. You don't need to hide in safe corners and kill people using only unbreakable trips and one-way cages. If you want an example of how good Cyphers play, I recommend watching just one nAts VOD... guarantee it'll change your perspective on the agent.

Easily_baited_12yo [#12]

There is not much to learn about cypher. Also I never said senti in general is scummy, only cypher, pretty sure I called the role boring in the thread as it requiers you to stay alive, I'm quite an agressive player myself. I did try to see what cypher is all about, I gave it a go, I'm not just talking out of my a**, didn't lose a single game on sunset when I played him without even looking up any tutorials, but never felt rewarded when I won. My rankup game, the first and only time I ranked up to diamond was dropping 17-2 in a 13-1 win on sunset with cypher, that was my second game with him. It just doesn't feel right playing him

Initiator isn't for an aggressive player, when attacking you're using your util for setting your duelist up not for yourself. If you want to be aggressive play a duelist. If not that then try learning how to lurk as sentinel on attack, it provides the most value for your team on attack since the util isnt meant for taking sites with your team.

Easily_baited_12yo [#5]

I tried clove, I was fairly decent with her but I often find myself forgeting to smoke or just knowing what to smoke so it can sometimes impact my gameplay. I do play viper on icebox, tho.

yea it can be hard to get used to that smoke role.

it is also hard to balance being aggressive but also trying to get the most value for the team. often they don’t go hand in hand.

have you tried any other flash init such as skye or breach? they allow u to be a bit more aggressive with self-flashes and still offer a decent amount of utility.

i reckon give sova a go first then if you do want to play recon inits, i would say sova has a lower floor so it’s easier to start out but if you do continue, he does have a pretty high ceiling.

Sova is my pookiebear
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