idkmanwth [#6]it took sen fans 10 hours to turn on their legend
the fuck you expect me to do paint up a mural?
meanie [#8]the fuck you expect me to do paint up a mural?
the least you can do is not compare, ik tenz's agent pool aint flexible but he's good at the agents he played
RzqoFoxie [#2]Everyone's smokes > TenZ smokes
how does it feel to get grouped by the "worst" smoke player
meanie [#9]he dickslapped every matchup whenever he played smokes in champs including the smokes goat himself mako, he was 100% the best
Demon1 can't play viper and I've seen better omen. He was a fragging controller that just put down smokes and isolated 1v1s like an absolute God. He was never really at the level of Mako or any other top tier controllers at that, but he was good, no doubt about that, better than Tenz I would say.
meanie [#9]he dickslapped every matchup whenever he played smokes in champs including the smokes goat himself mako, he was 100% the best
meaning he just got more kills, demon1 isn't even remotely close to being compared to mako on the smokes role let's stop with the dumb shit
jawn [#14]meaning he just got more kills, demon1 isn't even remotely close to being compared to mako on the smokes role let's stop with the dumb shit
The biggest smokes gap in VCT 2023 was literally Demon1 beating the shit out of Mako in the upper semis at Champs, but keep coping
idkmanwth [#10]the least you can do is not compare, ik tenz's agent pool aint flexible but he's good at the agents he played
Bro you have to be blind to think that amovie’s 69th alt account is sen fan. That guy just rage baits everytime
idkmanwth [#10]the least you can do is not compare, ik tenz's agent pool aint flexible but he's good at the agents he played
It's ammovie. He is an EG fan. This is his new account.
Denjisideals [#17]It's ammovie. He is an EG fan. This is his new account.
whatever makes you guys sleep at night
meanie [#15]The biggest smokes gap in VCT 2023 was literally Demon1 beating the shit out of Mako in the upper semis at Champs, but keep coping
BREAKING NEWS: opposing controller puts up great numbers in 26-13 win
jawn [#19]BREAKING NEWS: opposing controller puts up great numbers in 26-13 win
…because of Demon1’s performance, glad we’re on the same page here!
meanie [#20]…because of Demon1’s performance, glad we’re on the same page here!
https://www.vlr.gg/303088/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff-sf
thoughts?
jawn [#21]https://www.vlr.gg/303088/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff-sf
thoughts?
my king TenZ having 3 more kills in the smokes matchup against Demon1 doesn’t really hold a candle to anything I’ve said so far, like at all really. You’re honestly coming off as a retard with that move ngl
meanie [#15]The biggest smokes gap in VCT 2023 was literally Demon1 beating the shit out of Mako in the upper semis at Champs, but keep coping
I meant util wise. Sure, he stomped Mako back in 2023, but Mako's util and agent pool is far better than Demon1's, as a matter of fact, Jawgemo was a far better smokes player than he was in terms of util and agent pool because at least Jaw knew how to support with his paranoia. He can't support properly, his games on NRG are proof, my guy missed a bunch of paranoias and sometimes only used them for his own duels. Let the guy join SEN, please do, but I just hope they'll be able to find someone who can play Omen and not just let Demon1 play the agent.
meanie [#22]my king TenZ having 3 more kills in the smokes matchup against Demon1 doesn’t really hold a candle to anything I’ve said so far, like at all really. You’re honestly coming off as a retard with that move ngl
you haven't said anything but "hurr durr demon1 got kills", he isn't even top5 in americas on the role. hardly top10
Denjisideals [#17]It's ammovie. He is an EG fan. This is his new account.
idk who amovie is, but thanks for telling me :)) fake flairs are worse than baiters ngl
AfterGlow22 [#23]I meant util wise. Sure, he stomped Mako back in 2023, but Mako's util and agent pool is far better than Demon1's, as a matter of fact, Jawgemo was a far better smokes player than he was in terms of util and agent pool because at least Jaw knew how to support with his paranoia. He can't support properly, his games on NRG are proof, my guy missed a bunch of paranoias and sometimes only used them for his own duels. Let the guy join SEN, please do, but I just hope they'll be able to find someone who can play Omen and not just let Demon1 play the agent.
“Mako’s util is far better” random buzzword that’s been used to death
“Jawgemo was a far better smokes player” what the fuck?
Wait your entire post is about playing Omen like that’s the only controller in the game lol. You’re also basing off Demon1’s ability to play Omen, off a single match.
boilin_cockroach [#16]Bro you have to be blind to think that amovie’s 69th alt account is sen fan. That guy just rage baits everytime
#25, btw hi boiling cock
jawn [#24]you haven't said anything but "hurr durr demon1 got kills", he isn't even top5 in americas on the role. hardly top10
what does this even mean lmaooooooo are you seriously trying to devalue Demon1’s smokes because he “just got more kills”? do you hear yourself right now? XDDD
meanie [#26]“Mako’s util is far better” random buzzword that’s been used to death
“Jawgemo was a far better smokes player” what the fuck?
Wait your entire post is about playing Omen like that’s the only controller in the game lol. You’re also basing off Demon1’s ability to play Omen, off a single match.
Well, it is true. His Omen was so bad that they never let him play Omen again. And yes, my entire post is about playing omen because Omen is the most picked controller in pro play (alongside Viper, which Demon1 also can't play). And yes, Jawgemo is a better smokes player than Demon1, half of his plays were set up by the likes of Jaw and Ethan anyways.
meanie [#29]what does this even mean lmaooooooo are you seriously trying to devalue Demon1’s smokes because he “just got more kills”? do you hear yourself right now? XDDD
im devaluing his smokes because he isn't on the level you say he is, he was just on favorable system where he could get away with being a mid controller with great aim, he's not bad but he never was the best controller on the world or even his team
jawn [#32]im devaluing his smokes because he isn't on the level you say he is, he was just on favorable system where he could get away with being a mid controller with great aim, he's not bad but he never was the best controller on the world or even his team
if that’s what you wanna believe :)
AfterGlow22 [#31]Well, it is true. His Omen was so bad that they never let him play Omen again. And yes, my entire post is about playing omen because Omen is the most picked controller in pro play (alongside Viper, which Demon1 also can't play). And yes, Jawgemo is a better smokes player than Demon1, half of his plays were set up by the likes of Jaw and Ethan anyways.
“his Omen was so bad they never let him play Omen again” brother he wasn’t even the worst or 2nd worst player on the team?
“Half of his plays were set up by the likes of Jaw and Ethan” when his job is literally to just place smokes and play like a regular controller? Does Demon1 just not set up Jawgemo when he’s on duelist then?
“Demon1 can’t play Viper” when we haven’t even see him touch the agent?
“Omen is the most picked controller in pro play which means Demon1 MUST play the agent” even though it’s likely that won’t remain in 2025 with the Astra buffs?
Notice how you’re just saying shit here?
jawn [#32]im devaluing his smokes because he isn't on the level you say he is, he was just on favorable system where he could get away with being a mid controller with great aim, he's not bad but he never was the best controller on the world or even his team
Stop bro please you’re getting stomped in this argument just stop responding 😭😭
meanie [#34]“his Omen was so bad they never let him play Omen again” brother he wasn’t even the worst or 2nd worst player on the team?
“Half of his plays were set up by the likes of Jaw and Ethan” when his job is literally to just place smokes and play like a regular controller? Does Demon1 just not set up Jawgemo when he’s on duelist then?
“Demon1 can’t play Viper” when we haven’t even see him touch the agent?
“Omen is the most picked controller in pro play which means Demon1 MUST play the agent” even though it’s likely that won’t remain in 2025 with the Astra buffs?
Notice how you’re just saying shit here?
Hear yourself throughout this entire thread, I never said he was the worst or 2nd worst player on the team. Nor did I say that he was an awful smokes player (but I did say that his Omen was awful lmao no denying that). And Omen will still remain in the meta for sure, no reason for him not to just because Astra got buffed. He's never touched Viper because he can't play Viper??
Hey man no need to get angry, my entire point was that he couldn't smokes on a team by himself, they need someone else to fill the role for him when the map needs an agent that Demon1 can't play.
But here's a better suggestion, let him play Sentinel. He said it himself that he played Cypher and KJ on the reserve roster of EG before he subbed in for BcJ
AfterGlow22 [#36]Hear yourself throughout this entire thread, I never said he was the worst or 2nd worst player on the team. Nor did I say that he was an awful smokes player (but I did say that his Omen was awful lmao no denying that). And Omen will still remain in the meta for sure, no reason for him not to just because Astra got buffed. He's never touched Viper because he can't play Viper??
Hey man no need to get angry, my entire point was that he couldn't smokes on a team by himself, they need someone else to fill the role for him when the map needs an agent that Demon1 can't play.
But here's a better suggestion, let him play Sentinel. He said it himself that he played Cypher and KJ on the reserve roster of EG before he subbed in for BcJ
Your points quite literally make no sense and you’re leaving me to scramble up a reply to sort out the confusion you’re doubling down on.
You said that Demon1’s Omen performance was so bad that his team wouldn’t allow him to play the agent again, when he wasn’t even close to being the worst player in the lobby, this makes no sense to believe just like that.
The fact that you’re still trying to tell me that he CANNOT PLAY VIPER because he HASNT PLAYED VIPER YET is such a retarded thought that summarizes all of your arguments. You believe stuff based off of absolutely nothing in such a shameless way lol.
x_knowitall39_x [#35]Stop bro please you’re getting stomped in this argument just stop responding 😭😭
who tf are you?
meanie [#37]Your points quite literally make no sense and you’re leaving me to scramble up a reply to sort out the confusion you’re doubling down on.
You said that Demon1’s Omen performance was so bad that his team wouldn’t allow him to play the agent again, when he wasn’t even close to being the worst player in the lobby, this makes no sense to believe just like that.
The fact that you’re still trying to tell me that he CANNOT PLAY VIPER because he HASNT PLAYED VIPER YET is such a retarded thought that summarizes all of your arguments. You believe stuff based off of absolutely nothing in such a shameless way lol.
I just said that Mako was better man and it went all the way to this wtf. But fair point, whatever, I lost, you win. Tired of typing all this when I can be doing my math homework lmao. His Omen is still shit though lol I stand by that.
AfterGlow22 [#39]I just said that Mako was better man and it went all the way to this wtf. But fair point, whatever, I lost, you win. Tired of typing all this when I can be doing my math homework lmao. His Omen is still shit though lol I stand by that.
nobody is winning here bro, you’re still basing off a player’s agent off of a single match they didn’t even perform as badly as you believe they did. like what? dude I get that you probably don’t like the player but you have a narrative in your head that’s just blinding you, like completely. You don’t even believe Demon1 is capable of improving an agent he only played once in VCT.
reaper_rega08 [#27]Demon1 2023>>>>Tenz entire career.
these takes are why people dont respect your country
AfterGlow22 [#39]I just said that Mako was better man and it went all the way to this wtf. But fair point, whatever, I lost, you win. Tired of typing all this when I can be doing my math homework lmao. His Omen is still shit though lol I stand by that.
You two are baiter, the real goat at smoker is Zombs.
No other player playef like him.
Tsensei [#45]these takes are why people dont respect your country
That's just my opinion. Counter with facts why being rascist? People have always called US for being rascist and guess you people will never change.
reaper_rega08 [#48]That's just my opinion. Counter with facts why being rascist? People have always called US for being rascist and guess you people will never change.
dawg I am myself an Indian studying in the US, and even I was just like you, like having opinions like this with no facts just pure dickriding is something only India our country does, this happens with cricketers, celebs etc, the cultural mindset in India is so shit, only thing I don't like about India
Arguable, but although demon1 has played both astra and brimstone, tenz playing just omen works because omen is vital on almost every map except icebox and bind, which tenz plays different agents for. Demon1 not being able to play omen is a huge hit to his viability as a controller player because of how viable omen is.
Also, just because demon1 was the best controller player "at some point" does not mean they still are. Replacing tenz on sentinels would most likely not be a good idea, as they would have a disadvantage on omen maps (most maps in the game), and his duelist play is covered by zekken.
Even if astra became meta with the newer buffs, double controller would become super powerful, meaning they still would probably need an omen player, something nobody else on sentinels has shown they can do.
Tsensei [#50]dawg I am myself an Indian studying in the US, and even I was just like you, like having opinions like this with no facts just pure dickriding is something only India our country does, this happens with cricketers, celebs etc, the cultural mindset in India is so shit, only thing I don't like about India
Its typical that People bad mouth my country by living in other countries. I know my country is a shithole just like any other developing country but its not as bad as you claim it to be. Before questioning our culture you should know that India is a country with multiple religions, languages, diversities, culture obviously it will be way too complicated for people like you to understand. You say you dont like 1 thing about India but I am pretty sure there are many more reasons and left the country. That is your choice and I respect it. And plz dont talk about facts when you gave none when I asked you too. I am ready to argue. If I have nothing to support my claim, I will agree with you but unlike you I wont badmouth ur country in return which is completely a hatred and braindead take. Racism gets to people in US whether they are immigrants or locals.
YeaUrMum [#43]Bro demon1 is just an aimer on smokes just like tenz is 😭
He is NOT the best smoker at any point you are stupid af
Karon or Marved are example of smokes players
Tenz plays only Omen. While Marved, Karon and Demon1 play multiple smoke agents.
reaper_rega08 [#54]Tenz plays only Omen. While Marved, Karon and Demon1 play multiple smoke agents.
playing brim is like the easiest fucking thing in the world + why are you replying to a week old thread bruh
astra is not meta this season so its not like tenz cant play, he never needed to play it
reaper_rega08 [#53]Its typical that People bad mouth my country by living in other countries. I know my country is a shithole just like any other developing country but its not as bad as you claim it to be. Before questioning our culture you should know that India is a country with multiple religions, languages, diversities, culture obviously it will be way too complicated for people like you to understand. You say you dont like 1 thing about India but I am pretty sure there are many more reasons and left the country. That is your choice and I respect it. And plz dont talk about facts when you gave none when I asked you too. I am ready to argue. If I have nothing to support my claim, I will agree with you but unlike you I wont badmouth ur country in return which is completely a hatred and braindead take. Racism gets to people in US whether they are immigrants or locals.
bro I live in Mumbai, I am a gujurati, i have come to the US for my undergrad, I come to india after every semester, I love India bro but this is the only negative I have, I am not badmouthing the country, the people are the issue due to lack of education, just look at how they worship celebrities, cricketers anyone legit top tier glazing, whenever I go to Bandra outside Mannat thousands of unemployed people blocking the road, its insane, the facts are legit evident in the news, dont be so delusional, I DONT HATE INDIA, India is 10x better than the US but this is the only negative I have which is so evident
AldiX07 [#12]how does it feel to get grouped by the "worst" smoke player
Omen one trick.
He isnt wrong throught, but Tenz was a very good smoker, OP is wrong in one thing.
Demon1 at some point was the best controller in the world
Wanna say he was the best player? Ok go on, best smoker? There are a ton of pro players who understand how to use the smokers kits better, Demon1 was just a aimer.
Tsensei [#57]bro I live in Mumbai, I am a gujurati, i have come to the US for my undergrad, I come to india after every semester, I love India bro but this is the only negative I have, I am not badmouthing the country, the people are the issue due to lack of education, just look at how they worship celebrities, cricketers anyone legit top tier glazing, whenever I go to Bandra outside Mannat thousands of unemployed people blocking the road, its insane, the facts are legit evident in the news, dont be so delusional, I DONT HATE INDIA, India is 10x better than the US but this is the only negative I have which is so evident
Whatever you are saying doesn't have anything to do with what I commented. Since you are too arrogant to listen to, I just chose to ignore. Now that you have messaged me, I don't wanna continue this. As I said earlier, talks facts to back ur claim. Dont talk irrelevant shit. I still believe Tenz never had a year like Demon1 had in 2023 in his whole career.
reaper_rega08 [#60]Whatever you are saying doesn't have anything to do with what I commented. Since you are too arrogant to listen to, I just chose to ignore. Now that you have messaged me, I don't wanna continue this. As I said earlier, talks facts to back ur claim. Dont talk irrelevant shit. I still believe Tenz never had a year like Demon1 had in 2023 in his whole career.
but you compared career not a year, year wise I agree with you but TenZ's career clears Demon1 so hard
Tsensei [#61]but you compared career not a year, year wise I agree with you but TenZ's career clears Demon1 so hard
I messed up with words. I feel Tenz is overrated. They glaze him so hard for every normal thing he does. Tenz had a eventful 2021, but Demon1 2023 clears everything.
reaper_rega08 [#62]I messed up with words. I feel Tenz is overrated. They glaze him so hard for every normal thing he does. Tenz had a eventful 2021, but Demon1 2023 clears everything.
if you are comparing year to year sure, but career TenZ clears after 2024, 2 trophies, champs top 4 hard to beat
Tsensei [#63]if you are comparing year to year sure, but career TenZ clears after 2024, 2 trophies, champs top 4 hard to beat
If about trophies than even Boaster clears Tenz since he never ghosted International event like Tenz did in 2022 and 2023.
meanie [#37]Your points quite literally make no sense and you’re leaving me to scramble up a reply to sort out the confusion you’re doubling down on.
You said that Demon1’s Omen performance was so bad that his team wouldn’t allow him to play the agent again, when he wasn’t even close to being the worst player in the lobby, this makes no sense to believe just like that.
The fact that you’re still trying to tell me that he CANNOT PLAY VIPER because he HASNT PLAYED VIPER YET is such a retarded thought that summarizes all of your arguments. You believe stuff based off of absolutely nothing in such a shameless way lol.
i honestly feel like you are either retarded or you just dont wanna hear anyone out so why the fuck did you make a post anyway
reaper_rega08 [#65]If about trophies than even Boaster clears Tenz since he never ghosted International event like Tenz did in 2022 and 2023.
bro hasnt seen boaster career stats, legit less than 0.7 kda, and plus in 2023 bro his wife had cancer tf u on, if this was virat kohli or rohit sharma you would make insane excuses by now, and look at how shit the sen team was and he still had the best stats out of them
That's why I said it's not about trophies. Now you are bringing Boaster stats. Boaster was never a shooting IGL. Although he's 2023 stats were good. He was the clutch master in that year. Tenz could have had a bad year due to his whatever personal problems, but they don't matter here. Demon1 clears Tenz even with trophies. Tenz should thank John and Zekken for giving him another trophy.
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