tenz wasn't as good as people say he was

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

he was mid at best and isn't even close to being the goat or a top 3 controller itw lol

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Shut the TENZ up.

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bro went from usa geng to canada sen
shit is too funny

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I'm only changing to respect TenZ. I will go back to my original flag+flair after the end of the month

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valid

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thanks for stating the obvious

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tenz probably 3rd behind mako and smoggy
significantly better than fraud karon

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u need to be locked away

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Hynix

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your teams needs to not get grouped. how can karon contend for 3rd after going -15 against tenz?

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so? karon still did better than tenz this year as a rookie, and karon is most definitely not a fraud 🤣
also wtf mako and smoggy were the best controllers itw this year??? did you only watch champs or what, is recency bias this strong?

edit- nevermind u just got a hateboner against karon for some reason. js mad that some random kid in ranked got picked up and you didnt i guess

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karon succeeded because of the geng fluke, mako always put up numbers in spite of a bad team.
geng's success hindered on a mostly mediocre 2024, where teams only put themselves together by champions.

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0/8 put more effort in and ill write paragraphs

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2nd in madrid, stage 1 and 1st in shanghai and stage 2 isn’t a fluke lol, like yeah it absolutely sucks that they got grouped in champs and karon couldn’t perform when it mattered but that still does not take away the great year he had

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Karon 11-3 TenZ (Madrid UF)
Karon 17-19 TenZ (Madrid GF)
Karon 5-6 TenZ (Seoul Opening B)
Karon 2-7 TenZ (Seoul Decider B)

Karon 35-35 TenZ (Total)

Where in the world are you getting your information?

Edit: oh you meant individual ± in the one game they played (Seoul Decider B)... but why is that a metric in comparing the two, again?

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why is including one game where sen as a whole got stomped (madrid uf, which skews the data heavily towards karon) a metric for comparing the two? if you consider mine invalid yours suffers from the same issue, except that mine is much more recent.

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Fart

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here comes the people trying their best to farm impressions as much as they can before the activity dies down

pretty pathetic honestly lmao

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Sanest Alfajer Fan

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lowkey facts, tenz 2022 and 23 was also some other kind of ass
i like tenz a lot but hes not one of the goats

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nihso

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He was great during 2022 and 2023. Idk what you on.

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Clucker

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Didnt u just retire from vlr

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The Kirya thread got removed and so I'm unretired

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context? What happened with kirya

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nihso

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I think he got banned.

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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exactly. people ignore how ass he was in 2022 and 2023 and the fact that he dropped off in 2021 aswell and was okay at best this year and still is somehow called a goat is beyond me lol

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he carried sen in 2022 especially LCQ, he used to put up monster stats when the team was shite, 2023 brev he was injured and fiancee had cancer and still after all that they won an offseason tourney where he shifted to a new role and owned the best "smoke" of the time in Mako and 2024 cmon kickoff win, masters win, top 4 at champs you have to be a genuine hater to not respect him, he is deffo one of the goats of the game and the face of the game

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Bro what he won two majors in the most dominant fashion and overall was a high level player, he was a prodigy for sure and easily the best itw at one point

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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all of fnc has atleast 2 trophies and none of his wins were majors they were just international events.

If you call all international events majors then rbhg is a major too? lol

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we gotta keep it real he won the two easiest majors ever
still a great player but lets be real

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if winning a major is so easy why hasn't 100t done it yet ?

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own that fraud

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Best na player ever idc

The fact he won trophies in both 2021 and 2024 means a lot to me

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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to each his/her own then ig

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#1 player in 2021, top 5 in 2024 and was the second best controller of 2024 only playing 1.

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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#1 in 2021 is a stupid take
top 5 in 2024 is wild LOL
second best controller of 2024 is even stupider, bro what are you on?

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Tsensei

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how can you hate a player when they just announced they are retiring at their peak of the game is beyond me, genuinely go to therapy

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SomeoneLikeU

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who makes him out of top 5 this year? only people ahead of him are t3xture, zekken, aspas and Meteor.

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you just contradicted yourself.
in your first post you said he was the second best controller in 2024, but when you listed the supposed "only people ahead of him," you gave four names of non-controller players.

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Karon was a better controller player but not player this year

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both of those are wrong

top 3 player in 2021 maybe

in 2024 aspas, zekken, t3xture, karon, riens, kangkang and more were better

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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boo, karon, kingg hell even smoggy was better then tenz was towards the end of the year lol

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individually boo was not better than tenz

he was on par with kingg

smoggy and karon were absolutely better though

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SomeoneLikeU

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KangKang was ass till champs upper final. He isnt better for 2024 at all. riens wasn't that great till mid shanghai and champs either. karon you can debate was better all year and I agree with the rest. he is 4th or 5th for the year.

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What an awful take, the team was a mess in 2022, he was out sick for a number of games, they played with multiple subs over the course of that year,

Everyone knows 2023 was a disaster for that new team, it didn't work, Tenz had a couple of bad games after the Kyedae news, he played quiet well when he came back into the team,

2024 was total redemption and if you honestly think he wasn't as good as what other's say, you know nothing about the game, and even when he has retired, you're still a TenZ hater.

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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2022 wasn't a mess, it was made a mess with some stupid decisions and tenz underperforming hard on the duelist role.
2023 was a disaster for the new team because yet again t0nz was underperforming and was a total bot trying out new roles.
2024 was definitely a redemption arc for tenz but he still wasn't as good as people are rating him out to be. Some of his performances were indeed insane but at other times he was underwhelming aswell.

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deanAM

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Both Sick and Tenz missed multiple games, Zombs was dropped along the way, go back and check, it absolutely was a mess, go back and check the 5 that actually played for Sen in 2022, it was almost never the same, apart from when they had Shroud and Zellsis for LCQ

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WIN TWO TROPHIES AND THEN FUCKING COMPARE TO TENZ . Like sick of dumb fuck idiots like you hating on him in this very sad day. Just shut the fuck up man

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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boaster has won two trophies and he won them before tenz did, boaster >>>> tenz proven

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deanAM

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You really are an absolute dope, no one here said Boaster was a bad player, are you capable of understanding there can be numerous good players all the the same time??

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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nah you're just hopping on the tenz bandwaggon here, he's not as good as people claim he is, end of story.

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deanAM

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Nah mate, I'm just not a hater, I don't believe if 1 player is considered good or a legend or the goat or the king that every other player is shit,

Tenz earned the respect people are giving him today, his highlights will last forever, other players will get the same respect when they retire,

There's just people like you that just hate Tenz, for whatever reason and have never liked him, if you can't appreciate all of the talent in the game, why bother following it at all.

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Agree, he was way overrated.

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I understand where the hate comes from. TenZ 3-1 FNC.

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GE 2-0 DFM LOL

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He might've been overrated, but he is still the face of valorant for a reason

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10/10 bait

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he was the face of valorant and NA cs u fuking noob

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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he was never 'the face of valorant' and definitely not the face of NA CS LMFAO.

EliGE, Twistzz, NAF even fucking stewie are the faces of NA CS not t0nz.

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tenz was superior than any of those random players u named

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Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

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GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TELL ME YOURE NEW TO ESPORTS WITHOUT TELLING ME YOURE NEW TO ESPORTS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You really are a pain, Tenz is absolutely the face of valorant, there's no arguing that, cs, not much (you got 1 thing right today, well done), keeping in mind cs is fairly dead in NA bar when 2018 c9 and / or Shroud stream, might change a bit with m80 and a few new teams NA teams actually trying

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inconsistent career but he won two masters

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Yep he is good but not 'face of valorant' level of good

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He was called the face of valorant, for being the first damn good player, like if u have seen last year kk in champs , tenz was better than that in his first tourney, he was the first big thing dude.