Americas:
EG
C9
MIBR
Reason: keep making the cheapest possible rosters without any interest in winning
EMEA:
BBL
GiantX
KOI
Reason: BBL are the worse Turkish team, KOI and GiantX are just making mid after mid rosters with 3% chance to pop off
Pacific:
DFM
Global Esports
Zeta/T1
Reason: complete and utter shit
Summary: these teams might still possibly improve but at the moment their stints in franchising have been utter disappointments with little to no hope
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shrike- [#2]giantx is cooking honestly, i like their new pickups
Remains to be seen if they work. If they do make it work, then I guess I would put navi on the chopping block, the roster has suffered a consistent decline
sentinelmain377 [#5]GIANTS was great in 2023 (top 10/top 11 team of the year overall)
wdym
giants vs edg opening match on split was cinema
Hades_Loves_Rb [#6]Nah zeta dfm and t1 are deffo not waste. There are tons of amazing korean players who deserve t1 slots-and japan t2 is looking very promising
everyone is saying, I swear if they place bottom of pacific next year
sentinelmain377 [#5]GIANTS was great in 2023 (top 10/top 11 team of the year overall)
wdym
Only for that core to come back and do nothing this whole year.
Wunkey [#9]One of my hot takes is that we will see T1 be around the same level as GEN sometime next season.
I hope so, my king stax needs that
GambleNats [#4]KOI are trying man, they have some insane talent just doesnt work out
KOI are basically nrg
Trying isn't enough for me, I like the fact that they are trying, just that they need to pop off completely this year
Hades_Loves_Rb [#6]Nah zeta dfm and t1 are deffo not waste. There are tons of amazing korean players who deserve t1 slots-and japan t2 is looking very promising
Then it's even more of a waste that they still suck despite the talent pool
GambleNats [#8]everyone is saying, I swear if they place bottom of pacific next year
I probably said this like 10k times now, but zeta and dfm literally need a good roster management 😭
Nef0r0 [#10]Only for that core to come back and do nothing this whole year.
their igl retired and they brought in redcar
jawn [#11]C9 especially, they're literally just coasting
IMO that's the fault with franchising at the moment, it's supposed to be a league with all the best teams and all the best teams, and there you see them building shitty roster over and over again. There is no draft like in the nba to get your talent who you can build around
Nef0r0 [#14]Then it's even more of a waste that they still suck despite the talent pool
It's not really a waste for dfm and especially zeta tho, those fanbase are really loyal ( although I am quite concerned this number are largely attributed to Laz)
IonlywatchvcjXD [#15]I probably said this like 10k times now, but zeta and dfm literally need a good roster management 😭
That's the problem of the org. If an org can't make a good roster, why would this org be deemed good enough to have a slot?
kanyefan4238173 [#17]their igl retired and they brought in redcar
So then that makes them a 1 man team? Others were just there?
Nef0r0 [#18]IMO that's the fault with franchising at the moment, it's supposed to be a league with all the best teams and all the best teams, and there you see them building shitty roster over and over again. There is no draft like in the nba to get your talent who you can build around
the draft won't ever work on VCT unless every team starts fielding 10-man rosters
nobody___100 [#19]EG was good the first year of franchising though
True, but I would argue it was more of potter's doing. Problem with EG is that they literally shot themselves in the foot.
jawn [#23]the draft won't ever work on VCT unless every team starts fielding 10-man rosters
Exactly the reason I personally think Franchising can't work in esports. Academies might be the way forward, but then that would put insane pressure on the players there, pretty much one split for you to show yourself, if you are good from the get go, you are retained, if you struggle, bye bye tier 1
Nef0r0 [#24]True, but I would argue it was more of potter's doing. Problem with EG is that they literally shot themselves in the foot.
hope they actually do that and hire new management and executives and investors
nobody___100 [#27]hope they actually do that and hire new management and executives and investors
It's hard for any org to do this. There is a reason these seemingly brainless morons are executives or managers in the first place. They know how to "talk" to people and what to say in situations where your job is on the line
Nef0r0 [#21]That's the problem of the org. If an org can't make a good roster, why would this org be deemed good enough to have a slot?
Because they bring in views, like the disparity between jp and non jp views might not be that visible in T1 compared to T2 but it's still visible nonetheless.
It's also at that time most of zeta's academy players are not old enough for franchising, and assigning hiroronn to initiator was always a mistake.
The t2 players at the time are kinda reluctant to play in T1.
Also I suspect that buyout clause plays a huge factor
Idk what to say about dfm 😂😂
donkkomong [#28]These franchise orgs are so embarrassing. There's so many great players that should honestly be franchised instead of most of the current ones.
That's the fundamental problem you get with Franchising. I will not be surprised if instead of going for actual talents and future stars scummy orgs will go for some shot down pilots again
fawning [#32]koi isn't a wasted slot due the huge viewership behind ibai co-streams, riot likes that
Valid point, but that takes away from a competitive aspect in my opinion
Nef0r0 [#22]So then that makes them a 1 man team? Others were just there?
well its obviously gonna make a huge difference
fawning [#32]koi isn't a wasted slot due the huge viewership behind ibai co-streams, riot likes that
Everything that pique touches turns into shit
charleser [#35]Agree on everything except T1. They had an underwhelming year overall but were nowhere near the worst pacific team and at least made it to one international. There's a ton of Korean talent that deserve a tier one slot. T1 have potential to be a strong team next year.
If T1 manage to put a solid roster together, then I agree they deserve to be there. But for now they are there just for those LoL ties
ihatewestjett [#25]Add NRG for Americas
I don't like the trajectory of their roster, it seems like washed pros gathering and recycling their friends. Who would have thought that the guys who pulled this shit in NA CS would go back to their old tricks
IonlywatchvcjXD [#30]Because they bring in views, like the disparity between jp and non jp views might not be that visible in T1 compared to T2 but it's still visible nonetheless.
It's also at that time most of zeta's academy players are not old enough for franchising, and assigning hiroronn to initiator was always a mistake.
The t2 players at the time are kinda reluctant to play in T1.
Also I suspect that buyout clause plays a huge factor
Idk what to say about dfm 😂😂
It waters down the competition in my opinion, it turns VCT into a clout machine and not actual tier 1 product and it's sad
Wunkey [#9]One of my hot takes is that we will see T1 be around the same level as GEN sometime next season.
they need to go full KR imo as much as I want xccurate to get $$$
Nef0r0 [#36]Valid point, but that takes away from a competitive aspect in my opinion
i don't think so, it's just a matter that they entered the player market way too late this two years and couldn't build a decent team outside from t2 players
this year could be different as many t1 players are gonna be released
kanyefan4238173 [#37]well its obviously gonna make a huge difference
I will give them one year, I like the fact they are actually trying to change, that's already a minimum
Azzelastia [#31]You forgot to add Trash Heretics. Fluke team that is good for nothing, fluking their way to GFs only to hand the title to the other team😹😹😹
And the org who overcame being complete shit to actual tier 1 events
fawning [#43]i don't think so, it's just a matter that they entered the player market way too late this two years and couldn't build a decent team outside from t2 players
this year could be different as many t1 players are gonna be released
We will see where they land, but if they are shit again, I feel like there are no excuses
Nef0r0 [#46]We will see where they land, but if they are shit again, I feel like there are no excuses
yeah for sure, there's no excuses about player buyouts or salaries or whatever when you have ibai as an owner, hope it goes well for koi because it can boost vct emea viewership thru the roof
Nef0r0 [#41]It waters down the competition in my opinion, it turns VCT into a clout machine and not actual tier 1 product and it's sad
It sucks as jp fan too, but money and longevity is definitely what jp needs rn and like deyahalajarma said , jp t2 are starting to look very promising, so it really depends on what zeta and dfm roster moves are.
Nef0r0 [#40]I don't like the trajectory of their roster, it seems like washed pros gathering and recycling their friends. Who would have thought that the guys who pulled this shit in NA CS would go back to their old tricks
They were meant to be mid with that L roster choice
Nef0r0 [#26]Exactly the reason I personally think Franchising can't work in esports. Academies might be the way forward, but then that would put insane pressure on the players there, pretty much one split for you to show yourself, if you are good from the get go, you are retained, if you struggle, bye bye tier 1
i don't think any system will ever work on e-sports unless a stable income source magically appears
jawn [#51]i don't think any system will ever work on e-sports unless a stable income source magically appears
That stable income source being the developer. Riot and valve are huge companies. Riot makes team bundles 25/75, encourage people to sub to their twitch channels for higher quality, more content and else (might even go griddy and make subs unique for every region), secure a deal with EWC and add valorant there. Valve is even easier, add team bundles to CS, make it 25/75, launch skin collections before every major cycle (half a year), 50% to valve 50% go into the prize pools of the events of those half a year (prize pool goes from 1 mil per event to maybe even 3 mil), make a separate compendium for majors like the International. Also make sticker money a part of the prize pool.
Summary: Both CS and Valorant boast huge prize pools, attract new sponsors, new players, spread to new regions and grow
fawning [#52]c9 also isn't a wasted slot for now, since in 2023 they had an awesome regular season but they just shat the bed on the important moments (playoffs), 2024 I feel it wasn't bad... just not good either
Tell me, do you think C9 and EG are fielding and scouting the best American talent right now?
koromast [#57]Zeta/T1 these have unironically done more for franchising than rrq talon or team secret what are you on?
I know less about Pacific then the other two, my bad G.
Kirya [#54]Kpi wouldnt waste that slot like sentishitters did
Gerard pique doesn't know shit about running an esports org
Nef0r0 [#55]That stable income source being the developer. Riot and valve are huge companies. Riot makes team bundles 25/75, encourage people to sub to their twitch channels for higher quality, more content and else (might even go griddy and make subs unique for every region), secure a deal with EWC and add valorant there. Valve is even easier, add team bundles to CS, make it 25/75, launch skin collections before every major cycle (half a year), 50% to valve 50% go into the prize pools of the events of those half a year (prize pool goes from 1 mil per event to maybe even 3 mil), make a separate compendium for majors like the International. Also make sticker money a part of the prize pool.
Summary: Both CS and Valorant boast huge prize pools, attract new sponsors, new players, spread to new regions and grow
yeah but they're greedy fucks, i also think an e-sports streaming platform with paid services like subbing to your team and having access to all povs while watching a match would help but unfortunately the people with money are only profit driven and that's why e-sports will never grow
most football clubs that are worth multi billions today were started in small local communities and were built by local businesses
koromast [#57]Zeta/T1 these have unironically done more for franchising than rrq talon or team secret what are you on?
But I understand his gripes about zeta tho, zeta this year looked sooooo bad😅.
Meanwhile I'm kinda glad dfm improves this year, but at the cost of zeta losing 😭
jawn [#61]yeah but they're greedy fucks, i also think an e-sports streaming platform with paid services like subbing to your team and having access to all povs while watching a match would help but unfortunately the people with money are only profit driven and that's why e-sports will never grow
most football clubs that are worth multi billions today were started in small local communities and were built by local businesses
I feel like valve have the easiest job in the world, if they have actually done what I suggest, they could kill VCT without even doing anything themselves (or doing barely anything).
1.) launch open circuit - SUCCESS
2.) launch shit like Split 1 year 1 case (ALL SKINS FROM WORKSHOP, NO NEED TO DO ANYTHING) 50% profit to them and skin makers, 50% to the prize pools of tier 1 events in that season (except for the major) I would assume each event would easily get multimillion prizepools
3.) 1 month before a major launch an operation, 50% go to valve, 50% to the prize pool of the major. (Literally maps from the map pool, perhaps a smaller skin collection, some new content but they might as well hire fans of the game who know how to code things)
4.) continue with stickers, make it a 25/75 split in favour of the orgs
5.) Force every TO to take on a region of NA, SA, Africa, Middle East, SEA, East Asia, Oceania to improve the game there
6.) repeat the shit every half a year, resulting in huge profits for everyone involved
Nef0r0 [#64]I feel like valve have the easiest job in the world, if they have actually done what I suggest, they could kill VCT without even doing anything themselves (or doing barely anything).
1.) launch open circuit - SUCCESS
2.) launch shit like Split 1 year 1 case (ALL SKINS FROM WORKSHOP, NO NEED TO DO ANYTHING) 50% profit to them and skin makers, 50% to the prize pools of tier 1 events in that season (except for the major) I would assume each event would easily get multimillion prizepools
3.) 1 month before a major launch an operation, 50% go to valve, 50% to the prize pool of the major. (Literally maps from the map pool, perhaps a smaller skin collection, some new content but they might as well hire fans of the game who know how to code things)
4.) continue with stickers, make it a 25/75 split in favour of the orgs
5.) Force every TO to take on a region of NA, SA, Africa, Middle East, SEA, East Asia, Oceania to improve the game there
6.) repeat the shit every half a year, resulting in huge profits for everyone involved
profiting off gambling is way easier for them, they don't really give a fuck
jawn [#65]profiting off gambling is way easier for them, they don't really give a fuck
It makes their whole fucking gambling scene even bigger, more cases= more market items = more transactions= pure profit. Riot have less wiggle room, so that's why I think CS can grow and should grow faster, problem is valve give more of a shit about dota and fucking deadlock
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