americas has the best talent but you have to really decide, full brazilian or full english...
APAC no worries about the language as most can speak more than 1 language but the talent is stale....
EMEA also really good talent but best coaches/some players aren't willing to move to europe yk...
big dilemma dilemma dilemmer
StutterSt3p [#3]Icl NA got insane talent depth alone. I'm making a full English NA roster.
hell no, no good IGL's, you'd rather have a brazilian super duelist than a stale mid ass american team.
ntro [#5]lets compare a team like mibr to a team like g2 its clear you would choose english speakers over brazillians. brazillian talent is fucked by franchising whilst na talent is thriving because of it
you can't compare mibr to g2.. LOL WTF, G2 core has been around alot. Its like comparing MIBR/FURIA to EG/the next new ascension team...
kalayav_n [#4]hell no, no good IGL's, you'd rather have a brazilian super duelist than a stale mid ass american team.
team with brazilian super duelist lost to FUT so
chrlxz [#7]team with brazilian super duelist lost to FUT so
im talking about brazilian duelists like dgzin, aspas and others. this has nothing to do with lev...?
kalayav_n [#6]you can't compare mibr to g2.. LOL WTF, G2 core has been around alot. Its like comparing MIBR/FURIA to EG/the next new ascension team...
EG finished above both mibr and furia and looked 10x better? curious
kalayav_n [#6]you can't compare mibr to g2.. LOL WTF, G2 core has been around alot. Its like comparing MIBR/FURIA to EG/the next new ascension team...
yes you can, mibr have had brazillian region upbringing and g2 have spent time praccing with vct americas last year, there is a clear difference because the quality of practice is better in NA than in brazil because of vct being in NA. its unfortunate but brazillian talent is really in the bin.
kalayav_n [#4]hell no, no good IGL's, you'd rather have a brazilian super duelist than a stale mid ass american team.
Wdym no good igls? Look at both the top two ascension igls year: johnqt - masters winner, valyn - placed top 3 in a masters.
Flyuh, stellar, mitch, and zander are all good igls.
kalayav_n [#8]im talking about brazilian duelists like dgzin, aspas and others. this has nothing to do with lev...?
dgzin is giga toxic apparently
that aside i would rather have a 'mid ass american team' like 2024 EG because they actually looked greater than the sum of their parts
last years furia were so mid even with dgzin carry
StutterSt3p [#11]Wdym no good igls? Look at both the top two ascension igls year: johnqt - masters winner, valyn - placed top 3 in a masters.
Flyuh, stellar, mitch, and zander are all good igls.
nature much better than expected this year too
chrlxz [#14]nature much better than expected this year too
I lowkey forgot about nature, but yeah he's underrated too.
ButterflyEffect23 [#13]If I'm a Pacific org I'm building a Korean roster, the amount of talent is insane here
Honestly valid, KR has a lot of talent depth.
chrlxz [#12]dgzin is giga toxic apparently
that aside i would rather have a 'mid ass american team' like 2024 EG because they actually looked greater than the sum of their parts
last years furia were so mid even with dgzin carry
look at how bad EG are lol, i mean its like very hard to find actual good players. best bet is to mix regions but problem is language barrier
StutterSt3p [#11]Wdym no good igls? Look at both the top two ascension igls year: johnqt - masters winner, valyn - placed top 3 in a masters.
Flyuh, stellar, mitch, and zander are all good igls.
johnqt is a great american, also valyns 1st year in vct right?
kalayav_n [#17]look at how bad EG are lol, i mean its like very hard to find actual good players. best bet is to mix regions but problem is language barrier
in what world were EG bad this year they literally were 1 game from playoffs
first 3 games they had to adjust to new team and new tier 1 environment and after that they looked insane until 100t loss
please watch games instead of just looking at results
kalayav_n [#18]johnqt is a great american, also valyns 1st year in vct right?
not his first year, he was the best for a short period of time before they bombed out of reykjavik 2022. forced to play in tier 2 because guard didnt make franchising
kalayav_n [#18]johnqt is a great american, also valyns 1st year in vct right?
valyn was at masters 2021
catNmouse [#20]not his first year, he was the best for a short period of time before they bombed out of reykjavik 2022. forced to play in tier 2 because guard didnt make franchising
hence proving my damn point... your giving me examples of proven players. theres no great upcoming IGL's in america rn
kalayav_n [#22]hence proving my damn point... your giving me examples of proven players. theres no great upcoming IGL's in america rn
zander started igling after nitr0 left and he looks good.......
monSi's blinn have looked great too
kalayav_n [#22]hence proving my damn point... your giving me examples of proven players. theres no great upcoming IGL's in america rn
11 had named multiple
chrlxz [#24]zander started igling after nitr0 left and he looks good.......
monSi's blinn have looked great too
does he frag? in the meta rn fragging IGL's are more valuable
kalayav_n [#26]does he frag? in the meta rn fragging IGL's are more valuable
yes zander frags hes the best player in tier 2 same as he was last year???? monSi is decent too
kalayav_n [#18]johnqt is a great american, also valyns 1st year in vct right?
It doesn't matter where johnqt is from he's a product of NA t2, and Valyn has played the majority of his time in NA t2 as well, or at least against a lot of players currently in NA t2.
chrlxz [#27]yes zander frags hes the best player in tier 2 same as he was last year???? monSi is decent too
interesting, ive just started digging my self into t2
StutterSt3p [#28]It doesn't matter where johnqt is from he's a product of NA t2, and Valyn has played the majority of his time in NA t2 as well, or at least against a lot of players currently in NA t2.
up and coming IGL's, i agree johnqt is very good and can frag, but thats it. nature is mid asf and can barely frag for his life.
kalayav_n [#30]up and coming IGL's, i agree johnqt is very good and can frag, but thats it. nature is mid asf and can barely frag for his life.
I know they aren't up and coming anymore. I just used them as an example to show NA t2 can produce good igls.
Nature can actually frag though, especially towards the beginning of the year, he was the only one fragging for EG. He's not an insane igl by any means but he's better than most igls SA has produced.
StutterSt3p [#31]I know they aren't up and coming anymore. I just used them as an example to show NA t2 can produce good igls.
Nature can actually frag though, especially towards the beginning of the year, he was the only one fragging for EG. He's not an insane igl by any means but he's better than most igls SA has produced.
not better than king lol, idk i dont watch latam t2 but as far as kru's IGL keznit or king hes not even close.
kalayav_n [#33]not better than king lol, idk i dont watch latam t2 but as far as kru's IGL keznit or king hes not even close.
Congrats bro you can't read because I said most, not all.
StutterSt3p [#34]Congrats bro you can't read because I said most, not all.
those are the only 2 latam IGL's in americas???
chrlxz [#19]in what world were EG bad this year they literally were 1 game from playoffs
first 3 games they had to adjust to new team and new tier 1 environment and after that they looked insane until 100t loss
please watch games instead of just looking at results
yeah, for a team with no existing core and being considered "bad" NA players, they played very well
kalayav_n [#35]those are the only 2 latam IGL's in americas???
Wait that's mb because I meant to say SA, not LATAM, but not all igls latam produced are even in T1 anyway.
kalayav_n [#22]hence proving my damn point... your giving me examples of proven players. theres no great upcoming IGL's in america rn
mitch, zander, net, stellar, flyuh, POISED/gMd(not sure who is igling for TSM but they look solid), and hell even paincakes is making good calls. Most of the IGLs in T2 could be in T1 right now tbh so idk what you're on about
StutterSt3p [#37]Wait that's mb because I meant to say SA, not LATAM, but not all igls latam produced are even in T1 anyway.
lol all good, but even in SA. saadhaak, less(supposed midrounder) and maybe king this year if he proves him self are all on the same page as boostio and fns
kalayav_n [#39]lol all good, but even in SA. saadhaak, less(supposed midrounder) and maybe king this year if he proves him self are all on the same page as boostio and fns
Bro my point is going way over your head fucking it's crazy. You're just picking all the best igls in Americas and saying this rookie igl isn't on their level. Yeah no shit bro, that's why I said most.
Obviously, he's not the best igl in Americas, but in terms of his ability as igl and as a reflection of T2 NA, I think he's good.
StutterSt3p [#40]Bro my point is going way over your head fucking it's crazy. You're just picking all the best igls in Americas and saying this rookie igl isn't on their level. Yeah no shit bro, that's why I said most.
Obviously, he's not the best igl in Americas, but in terms of his ability as igl and as a reflection of T2 NA, I think he's good.
but not all igls latam produced are even in T1 anyway.
are you not even reading what your typing??
kalayav_n [#41]but not all igls latam produced are even in T1 anyway.
are you not even reading what your typing??
What does this have to do with my nature point? And also I specified the whole of SA, not just LATAM.
StutterSt3p [#42]What does this have to do with my nature point? And also I specified the whole of SA, not just LATAM.
im not even gonna respond bruh have a good day
kalayav_n [#43]im not even gonna respond bruh have a good day
Bruh, that's crazy, you spent all this time trying to prove me wrong on my point and then just gave up lmao.
StutterSt3p [#44]Bruh, that's crazy, you spent all this time trying to prove me wrong on my point and then just gave up lmao.
youve just said SA and LATAM as if they are not the same thing, why would i argue with a imbecile
kalayav_n [#45]youve just said SA and LATAM as if they are not the same thing, why would i argue with a imbecile
Except in Valorant LATAM and Brazil are separate regions that's why I had to specify SA. Lmao
StutterSt3p [#46]Except in Valorant LATAM and Brazil are separate regions that's why I had to specify SA. Lmao
did i not list an Argentinian and a brazilian?
kalayav_n [#47]did i not list an Argentinian and a brazilian?
You listed kingg and saadhak, less doesn't really count. And even if he does count, it's still just igls from two teams anyway.
Also, I guess I never responded to your point about Kru's igl, which has gone back and forth between Melser and Klaus, but for a rookie igl I don't think nature is that far off them.
StutterSt3p [#48]You listed kingg and saadhak, less doesn't really count. And even if he does count, it's still just igls from two teams anyway.
Also, I guess I never responded to your point about Kru's igl, which has gone back and forth between Melser and Klaus, but for a rookie igl I don't think nature is that far off them.
those are the only SA IGLs in t1, and they are far better than what NA has produced. LESS 100% counts idk who told you that he doesn't count but he is an IGL and is quite pivotal for LOUD. and as far as im concerned both KRU IGL's are 1-0 vs 100t.
kalayav_n [#49]those are the only SA IGLs in t1, and they are far better than what NA has produced. LESS 100% counts idk who told you that he doesn't count but he is an IGL and is quite pivotal for LOUD. and as far as im concerned both KRU IGL's are 1-0 vs 100t.
Saadhak is the main caller for LOUD, and idk if I'd count Less as an igl. He's more of a secondary caller, and nature isn't on 100t. Realistically, KRU only made playoffs because of their stage 1, but at the end of the season, EG was the better team.
I really think you can't say that the KRU igls are clearly better than nature. The only igls I'd be willing to give you are kingg and Saadhak, for the rest it's a debate.
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