GE WONT GET KICKED

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Everyone keeps saying GE is getting the boot in 2027 but there's literally no chance.

GE is the only stable SA org that makes sense for partnership.

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-> VLT has no management
-> S8UL has zero PC esports history
-> RNTX doesn't have the backing
-> Reckoning isn't big enough
-> Asterisk is too small rn

Riot isn't gonna throw away the entire SA market. GE already has the fanbase, the infrastructure, and the financial stability. Partnership isn't about team performance - it's about organizational stability, and GE is literally the only option that checks all boxes.

They're not competing with other SA orgs, they're competing with nobody because there's no realistic alternative. SA gets a spot and GE is the only one who can fill it.

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from my understanding riot is lowering the amount of partner teams in general

if you're not a top 5 team in bundles/viewership your team might have to qualify through ascension, representation won't be enough to keep you in when theres only 5-7 slots

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where did you get that from?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1j5773e/game_arena_amount_of_vct_partner_teams_might/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

read this thread, has quotes from leo about what wanting the scene to be more open, leo also said there is currently a "chance" but imo its gonna happen

i have a strict feeling that region representation will matter less and less in valorant since only korea and turkey can sustain a fully native roster

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ohh, they are killing the scene entirely, amazing work from RITO

if this happens, then the T1 teams that are partnered who will not be permanent, will just leave the scene, and just like 10 tier-2 teams per region will exist from then on. Most T-1 teams cant afford current rosters without the RITO partnership money.

if we take GE for example, suppose GE isn't permanent anymore, they will release their main team, they will go all in on Indian and a few International players, and they will probably get the best Indian players. this means talent is sucked out of SA, to go into this Non-Permanent system, that god-knows wont work. this means GE can farm in VCSA because they have money, and its gg for the other teams. So GE is in this weird spot, where they have a lot of money for VCSA but they will never make it to internationals.

this whole "make it more open" thing is just gonna make everything worse. and any SA fan wouldn't have an org to root for.

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its definitely better without trash teams holding up development, you're just emotional but truthfully its okay, like you barely have a south asian org right now, global is just a korean/sea team

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if you are saying bad performing teams like GE are trash holding up development - bro what? firstly, GE has always been competitive, and if you have 10 teams there will always be teams at the bottom, you have to accept that. secondly, when did bad performing teams hold up development? we have an academy team when many partnered teams still dont, we host Fight nights to give more exposure to Academy teams, we host off-season tourneys to bring up the scene. wtf you mean we're holding up development? we are one of the most active orgs outside the performance of the main team

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they are paying those players though...

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have some more faith bro, GE isn't a bottom feeder team anymore

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you are missing the fking point, we are always competitive, we never give up. and when you have a league there is always gonna be teams at the bottom. secondly, we have an academy team when many partnered teams still dont, we host Fight nights to give more exposure to Academy teams, we host off-season tourneys to bring up the scene.

ITS NOT JUST ABOUT PERFORMANCE IN ESPORTS, ITS ABOUT HOW YOU ARE HANDLING YOUR BUSINESS, HOW SERIOUS YOU ARE, HOW YOU BRAND IS POSITIONED. HOW WELL YOU BRING UP THE SCENE AROUND YOU.

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mainly NA teams dont have academy all korean and chinese and some SEA team has and many EMEA team also and brazilian and latam team also have

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2024 uhm was the trash team ever

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In terms of viewership, India comes in top 5 in the whole world.

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thank you, like what are these people even yapping, they want Team Falcons 🤡

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source?

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fr, people keep forgeting that riot is accepting orgs based on money or marketing for viewership they can bring,
NOT from performance

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it's business after all

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I mean there is also that, most non-stable orgs cant sustain long term, and just disband, that can't happen in VCT, and Riot isn't gonna bail them out.

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its really only about money and stability, the marketing and viewership comes with that

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the only thing that the south asian market provides is VLR posts

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why soo salty lil bro 🥀

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I heard they’re top 3 in pacific for ROI in 2024. They must’ve undercut salaries last year or they had a lot of positive net which means very good management as a whole.

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the salaries are always minimum, but i think this year, they went all in for Papi and PatrickWHO they had to pay a pretty big buyout and Kr1stal probably cost alot of money, UdoTan is one of the guys who might not have cost them a huge bag

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They only paid for papi buyout. Only papi was expensive. All 3 ph player were playing on league minimum fs. But yeah compared to other years,they have invested alot.

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GE is the only stable SA org

Doesn't mean anything. What has SA contribute? Example of what not to be like in tournament techpause? Where SA "talent" in VCT? Most successful thing SA have done in valorant is ominous.

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SA brings in some of the highest viewership percentages in APAC, and it is still a growing market, not having a representation in a market which has huge potential to grow in coming years, would be a blunder.

and in the post i made, i clearly fkin stated, its not about the performance or the players, its about the region as a whole, which includes, future players, a large and the rapidly growing fan-base and the orgs.

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Lachlan's OCE's Team PWR influence + region would be better. SA has been given the chance, overall quite underwhelming, OCE deserve their chance in partnership 2.0 I reckon. SA can try again in 2031, when the market shows it growth + talent has caught up with rest of APAC.

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they not coming to VALO lil bro

i would also like to see an OCE team in franchising, but realistically, not over an SA Org, because we have to remember, RITO needs viewership and stability, and we all know OCE Orgs are not well sponsored or well funded (orgs in valo)

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SA team in VCT is only purely there for existing, won't ever do much in competitive environment and only there for "regional fans" not like it'll get any international fans.

I'd rather have RIOT restructure MENA, move it to pacific and integrate Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia as "West Asia" and have Team Falcons as its rep in pacific partnership. MENA will always gets neglected in EU anyway and Team falcons will always have negative connotation in western viewers eyes, so why not put in pacific since we don't have that western mindset.

Western Asia will create a "competitive environment" between ME/Central Asia/SA for talent development, since those 3 are not on the level of SEA/East Asia. Plus ping benefit for those region equally rather than SA complaining about ping to SG/HK.

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FUSaitama

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bro do you not understand how Riot operate?

and you think there is better MENA talent compared to what GE could achieve in VCT?

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Not MENA specifically, the idea is to have West and East Asia like in AFC (Football).
East Asia is basically SEA + KR & JP, whilst West Asia is ME, Central Asia + South Asia.
Central asia can unveil more talents like that happens to dos9 and sultan. Avez technically is MENA player.

South Asia jumping straight to pacific ascension playing against SEA + JP/KR feels like too big of a step. Big way to solve SA "development" is to create an environment within the SA itself to catch up with rest of Asia, and the best way for that is make West Asia. If every year the SA ascension team is just rossi, LF and 2 imports SA have no chance in VCT Tier 1 ecosystem, UNLESS u just want SA org for the pure existence in VCT pacific and not care about the players.

People who are downvoting just want SA org purely for existence, they know the peak of SA valorant is just rossi and LF. SA fans should wanting more SA players to dethrone those 2. The idea of SA being 2 player region is bad no?

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FUSaitama

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SA has one of the biggest player base out of all of these smaller regions. SA has one of the biggest VCT Apac Viewership chunk, and we are only 1% of the way there, once we reach 100%, imagine the number of Indians out of 1.2 billion, who have access to high end laptops/PCs. Now you want all of this potential player base and viewership to be merged into a single region, all the teams, this will basically kill any Indian Org, because of MENA Money.

And for the last fking time, we support GE because the org is Indian, not for the players, at the end of the day its a Video game, and do i want Indians to succeed in VCT, yes. But rn, we are not good enough to get there. and merging the regions would just kill the eco-system all together

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SA has one of the biggest player base out of all of these smaller regions

Would be bigger when became West Asia with more region

SA has one of the biggest VCT Apac Viewership chunk, and we are only 1% of the way there

Having Central Asia and MENA as West Asia would help that number grow

kill any Indian Org, because of MENA Money

So u feel threated India not as strong because India can't monopolise SA? So u want less competition to make india looks stronger? U don't want SA to be strong, but just want India specifically. U want India to have easier pathway to ascension without stronger opponent in the way?

merging the regions would just kill the eco-system all together

U mean instead of having the competitive region for Indian p[layers to develop. India would be at more risk losing to more competitive team from Middle East/Central Asia?

My idea of West Asia is to find more talent in those region since MENA gets neglected in EU (dos9) and SA players can't step up in Pacific ascension due to rossi, LF and import friend. West Asia will develop India players, GE would like the idea and actually pick up West Asia's more competitive Indian players.

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Maybe west Asia would be a wise Idea, but not including SA, SA is already full of teams, and such a big Tier-3 eco-system, it would mean less opportunities for players.

And before you think you did something here by making it about India vs other SA Countries, you think merging them with more countries would make it better somehow?????????

Yeah you need to re-think what you are saying dude, saying more stuff doesn't make the thing you say a better Idea.

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OCE is still far from reach because of geographical constraints and riot not providing support to them

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RIOT originally tried having OCE in NA for LCQ champs 21, but got hit with Murican VISA treatment. OCE is unique case cause CS doesn't neglect them like CS neglect Asia, well versed in Apex Legends, decent in Fortnite. OCE should be integrated in asia, would be better competitively than SA. SA obviously needs time for development and they had an opportunity already, why not give SA 4 years till partnership 3.0 and give OCE an opportunity instead?

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I think you are getting confused for players development vs org development I think I know SA don’t have much players but given the chance they are proven to be not working well so it doesn’t matter if the region is developing or not for riot stability matters a lot in which orgs including GE have done a good job if we exclude ascension teams

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FUSaitama

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finally somebody making sense, thank you

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how about the #34 Argument of having West Asia instead of SA? Falcons would be a better fit for pacific like current Team Falcons GC team.

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They have already been denied to play t2 in because falcons shady practices so it won’t fit into the category my guy even they got GC team barely in Emea GC

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bro do you fking know how shi that would be, why do you wanna reduce the number of teams you are giving to a country like India, when we are fkin growing soo fast, and we have one of the biggest player base in Asia

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u clearly only care about india players monopoly in SA, not having a competitive region like West Asia. U want less dos9 and sultan so India players stood out right? U clearly feel threatened with other competition and risks of getting exposed if that actually happened. India have a lot of player base, why not pick out the best for representation? Develop them instead.

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so you are complaining about the less representation in SA compared to India, but adding MENA would somehow make it better, can you explain this for me, like how would adding more countries fix the issues of Under-representation of existing countries. And yeah i want less imports from outside South Asia, and i dont think that is a bad thing, SA should be focused only on SA and not on East Asia

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bro do you fking know how shi that would be, why do you wanna reduce the number of teams you are giving to a country like India, when we are fkin growing soo fast, and we have one of the biggest player base in Asia

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I didn't read anything and don't wanna reply to anything except for the point that vlt has trash management , naah they don't have trash management

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FUSaitama

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brotha, its basically 5 guys running everything, pls go do some research, i also admire Anna, for everything he has done to the scene, but it is not a serious org, more of a content group tbh

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what is the work of management- managing players right ?? i don't know about other things that management does but have you ever heard a complaint from any player of vlt regarding management. so how is it trash ?

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once you are in Korea, you need staff to manage the bootcamp, you need a separate team to coordinate with Riot and VCT team. You need an actual coaching staff, you need a good content head, because Riot needs teams to make content and allat. you need a social media team.

If the entire sales pitch for your team is, we have a team, and the players are happy with what we have provided, but we dont have content team, we dont have social media team. we dont have a road-map for any content, and our entire backing comes from a single owner, whose source of revenue comes from a single business he owns.

I always admire them, and i hope they make it through ascension, but yeah they mostly cant get the slot

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ok so if a team wants to get a slot in 2027 thay gotta have all these beforehand??

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FUSaitama

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not necessarily, but willing to invest in all of that and having the tendencies to do it, but if it is not proven, then Riot would not chose VLT over GE.

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I think what you're missing is that with the stipend RITO provides to partnered teams to support operations, it's absolutely not impossible to hire these roles (content team, social media managers, coaching staff, RITO/VCT liaisons, etc. That funding is specifically meant to build a sustainable infrastructure around the team, not just cover player salaries.

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Brother do you even remember the GE management before they were franchised >:<

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Oce team incoming 🙏

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no viewership, OCE is even underdeveloped compared to SA, not in terms of talent but the scene, financing, sponsors and stable orgs

i would love to see an OCE team in VCT, but not getting picked over an SA team.

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I mean they still two players developed like autumn and swerl both are goated though for their teams respectively

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I don't think they'll directly kick any team, but what I think they will do is 'demote' some partnered teams to ascension teams (So they will have to fight to keep their place in the league), and I think GE could be on the chopping block for that

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T0 mentioned 🥀

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what do you want me to do about it 💔

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Goon it

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😩

#T1WIN
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for what its worth, what i heard back in 2023 was that a main contributor as to why GE was chosen in the first place was because ORDER went under, they were frontrunners for the 10th partnership slot until their whole fallout

GE has done quite a good job to be fair, even if results necessarily don’t prove it — i feel as though their bigger competition rather than fellow SA orgs will be the structure of the league as a whole come 2026

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FUSaitama

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yes, GE has done their job in boosting the eco-system since being in franchising, and have done their jobs really good, apart from the performance, but i dont think that would be much of a factor, because GE has always shown resilience in striving for better results and the best for the players aswell.

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I feel the fact that GE has run so many off season tournaments and done so much for the valorant will be enough for them to continue in partnership. At the end of the day its a numbers game and GE has done his part much better than most of the other orgs

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this is what i am saying since a long time 😭

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I dont get "pacific" "fans" insisting GE will get canned when literally all of EMEA has accepted KOI will stay despite the fact they do significantly less (tournaments, talent scouting, etc) simply because of audience reasons.

Im glad both are looking pretty good this stage 2 as well though.

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thank you, people just dont understand that VCT partnership brings alot of responsibility, not only performing in the game, Growing the eco-system and boosting the scene is one of the most important parts of being a VCT Team and getting paid by Riot, and GE does that better than 80% of teams in VCT.

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192u91huhgug

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Koi is literally the only Spanish team in val

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remind me how many Indian teams there are

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just not true at all

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all i gonna say is

props to them for put an end to that reporter vct news slop contents, their content feed actually clean rn

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FUSaitama

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yeah i didn't like it either bro, but he is such a nice person IRL 😙

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i know, i've seen him couple times on live audience footage, he's hyping up the audience

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yeah he is the hype man, but he is also soo ground to earth, always a fun person

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GE has potential, Udotan and Kr1stal are looking strong rn

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Another opotion would be for an org to just buy an indian team and represent india kinda like what ts, tln, g2 etc are doing honestly. Idk which org tho, maybe a relatively big org thats new to valo like flyquest or we could get the return of optic india lol

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let's go OPTIC f0rsaken

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word.exe

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The Gaurd core made it through ascension and are one of the best teams in the world, it made sense for G2 to pick them up, and they are not partnered, so it doesn't make sense to compare them, but if 5 Indians can make it to VCT, then i will be one of their biggest supporter

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idk im just saying if riot wanted a better org to rep india they could ask some big t2 orgs that want to either leave their region or a big non valo org hey do you want to sign an indian team (doesnt have to be premade/full indian) and play in vct

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Brother s8ul and rnt can easily replace ge. S8ul already has a lot of international lineups.

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bro said RNT 😭

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Everyone keeps acting like Riot has to keep GE because who else is there? — as if Riot’s gonna reward a monopoly with mid results just because no one else showed up. Hate to break it to you, but if the SA scene can’t grow or convert views into actual revenue, Riot’s not gonna baby it forever. They’ll just drop the dead weight. And if GE’s the only rep and they’re not even growing the region? That monopoly turns into a liability real fast
GE fans love to scream 'stability' like it’s a trophy, but newsflash — Riot wants results, not just reliable Wi-Fi and Instagram posts. GE has had years, multiple chances, and still no real international impact. If you're the face of SA Valorant and still getting clowned every stage, maybe you're not the future — you're the problem. Riot dropped orgs with more prestige; GE isn't immune. Keep coasting on infrastructure while the rest of APAC grinds — let’s see how stable that seat is in 2027.

If things stay as, I will say 80% chances GE gets a boot, unless they make champs or masters.

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Holy chatgpt

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i jus translated from my language ?

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just speak in ur native language

I can try to translate it!

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it sure does love those dashes