what i think pros will play cuz its ez and most are not innovative
Jett
Sova
Breach/KJ/Kayo
Harbor
Viper
my possible overcook that i think would be strong
Iso
Kayo
Harbor
Viper
Chamber
what are u guys thinking?
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Anguibok [#2]Astra pull can kill people, and Omen is good because of verticality, you need a strong justification to make thoose 2 out
i agree with the omen, astra pull maybe not, it would not be easy for astra gravity well to pull a guy into a void because the star cant be placed in the void
nobody___100 [#3]neon
gekko
skye
harbor
omenneon buffs are too good
gekko wingman is perfect for the precarious plant spots
skye has info flashes and dog for info, because gekko util is for plant/retake
harbor we agree on probably very strong here
omen might be good for tp plays across the void
Didn't even Miniboo himself say it was a nerf for proplay (but an up in soloQ ?)
Anguibok [#2]Astra pull can kill people, and Omen is good because of verticality, you need a strong justification to make thoose 2 out
astra is good some good recall stars the smokes are big but the stun isnt great and the pull isnt instant anymore so if your falling off the map to a pull you deserve to die.
omen is good like on all maps and the verticality is good but harbor can smoke the sites way better and only wall smokes can block b main and you need a harbor to default towards b.
Anguibok [#5]Didn't even Miniboo himself say it was a nerf for proplay (but an up in soloQ ?)
miniboo is right in a way and I don't think we will see neon in maps like ascent but neon is perfect for abyss in particular
nobody___100 [#7]miniboo is right in a way and I don't think we will see neon in maps like ascent but neon is perfect for abyss in particular
To me it may be the worst map for her, because her lack of verticability and her high mibility make her the one the most suseptible to fall.
Why do you think the map suit her ?
kyro1 [#6]astra is good some good recall stars the smokes are big but the stun isnt great and the pull isnt instant anymore so if your falling off the map to a pull you deserve to die.
omen is good like on all maps and the verticality is good but harbor can smoke the sites way better and only wall smokes can block b main and you need a harbor to default towards b.
yk the utility is to stall plant not make them fall right
Anguibok [#8]To me it may be the worst map for her, because her lack of verticability and her high mibility make her the one the most suseptible to fall.
Why do you think the map suit her ?
the areas on site next to the abyss, neon speed would be good to get over them. same with mid, jett would be better there but neon could do it easily as well
also because of the maps weird shape and neon speed charging 3x faster neon will be insane for rotate time
Anguibok [#8]To me it may be the worst map for her, because her lack of verticability and her high mibility make her the one the most suseptible to fall.
Why do you think the map suit her ?
it doesnt suit her, hes just peak gold
nobody___100 [#10]the areas on site next to the abyss, neon speed would be good to get over them. same with mid, jett would be better there but neon could do it easily as well
also because of the maps weird shape and neon speed charging 3x faster neon will be insane for rotate time
That doesn't sound specific to Abyss
lxolotl [#11]it doesnt suit her, hes just peak gold
we're having a discussion here, insulting me is pretty lame. you don't have to talk just to talk
nobody___100 [#13]we're having a discussion here, insulting me is pretty lame. you don't have to talk just to talk
your argument makes no sense, the only reason why neon could be ok is for the rotate time, legit no other reason, this will be a raze/jett or no duelist map
nobody___100 [#3]neon
gekko
skye
harbor
omenneon buffs are too good
gekko wingman is perfect for the precarious plant spots
skye has info flashes and dog for info, because gekko util is for plant/retake
harbor we agree on probably very strong here
omen might be good for tp plays across the void
i think sova just clears skye on this map bc of the drone.
gekko is mid no great early info flashes + flash can fall off the map + too much verticality for thrash. the molly and wigman are good but i think there are better ways to get plant down like cove or cove + iso e
omen is good but viper clears in this comp you have if you want to activate lurks in mid shes essential + no senti you need stall utility
the problem with neon is you need an awp on the map so either chamber or jett and jett has so much outplay with being able to drift in the air so i think she clears neon but imo chamber has better lines he can hold with the tp vs jett dash so thats my reasoning for the cook with iso
lxolotl [#14]your argument makes no sense, the only reason why neon could be ok is for the rotate time, legit no other reason, this will be a raze/jett or no duelist map
raze is useless here, boombot will fall into the void and satchels are weaker now
rotate time is very important though, helpful for flood retake or just holding site
lxolotl [#14]your argument makes no sense, the only reason why neon could be ok is for the rotate time, legit no other reason, this will be a raze/jett or no duelist map
raze kinda sucks on this map having an awp clears
kyro1 [#15]i think sova just clears skye on this map bc of the drone.
gekko is mid no great early info flashes + flash can fall off the map + too much verticality for thrash. the molly and wigman are good but i think there are better ways to get plant down like cove or cove + iso e
omen is good but viper clears in this comp you have if you want to activate lurks in mid shes essential + no senti you need stall utility
the problem with neon is you need an awp on the map so either chamber or jett and jett has so much outplay with being able to drift in the air so i think she clears neon but imo chamber has better lines he can hold with the tp vs jett dash so thats my reasoning for the cook with iso
anyone can op
neon can op, even omen can op
nobody___100 [#18]anyone can op
neon can op, even omen can op
not to the effect that jett or chamber can the angles you can hold become very limited
kyro1 [#15]i think sova just clears skye on this map bc of the drone.
gekko is mid no great early info flashes + flash can fall off the map + too much verticality for thrash. the molly and wigman are good but i think there are better ways to get plant down like cove or cove + iso e
omen is good but viper clears in this comp you have if you want to activate lurks in mid shes essential + no senti you need stall utility
the problem with neon is you need an awp on the map so either chamber or jett and jett has so much outplay with being able to drift in the air so i think she clears neon but imo chamber has better lines he can hold with the tp vs jett dash so thats my reasoning for the cook with iso
I agree, Sova does clear the map because of his drone and recon, But I feel like having harbour instead of viper is a little better. Yes i agree viper has amazing postplant util but if you run a double initiator using Sova/gekko with breach I think harbour would be the better agent. Harbour's ult can fully cover both sites, And if cycled with breaches ult you can have a free site almost 1 every 3 round. Plus his cascade can be used to take B main control and Mid control if paired with an omen smoke. And well you need an entery agent so Jett feels like the better option
This is all my opinion, Dont flame me...
hellfire [#9]yk the utility is to stall plant not make them fall right
his specific example as to what makes astra strong on the map was the ability to pull people into the void obv ik you can stall a plant with astra suck
Xell_ [#20]I agree, Sova does clear the map because of his drone and recon, But I feel like having harbour instead of viper is a little better. Yes i agree viper has amazing postplant util but if you run a double initiator using Sova/gekko with breach I think harbour would be the better agent. Harbour's ult can fully cover both sites, And if cycled with breaches ult you can have a free site almost 1 every 3 round. Plus his cascade can be used to take B main control and Mid control if paired with an omen smoke. And well you need an entery agent so Jett feels like the better option
This is all my opinion, Dont flame me...
nah your on the right path harbor is insane on this map hes a must pick but most of the senti's suck on this map deadlock, sage, cypher all arent great so you need stall utility and on attack the only way to reliably activate mid lurks is with viper so running them both is optimal.
omen besides verticality has nothing over viper he also cant smoke from one side of the map to the other. zero reason i would pick omen over viper if im running harbor which as i said i think is a must pick. i dont think gekko is needed if you have a harbor cove to get plant down and his utility isnt that valuable outside of wingman on this map. breach is great on this map you can fit him into a comp if you running no senti + jett and sova. and i assume your talking about jett over iso which 100% prolly will happen but if you run chamber on this map which i think is better on defense then jett there is no reason to run jett bc shes useless on defense and i actually dont think a fast space maker is 100% necessary as long as you have an agent that can push awps off lines which iso excels at plus he can set up chamber on defense and his ult is insane with how the shield works now. and his vulnerable has some insane lines on defense.
Jett/Raze/Neon for duelist
Sova/Breach/Gekko could all work for initiator, I can't see Skye being optimal due to the map being too big and her utility not getting a ton of value (similar to Breeze)
Astra and Omen are going to be the most picked controllers I think, it might be the best Omen map, Viper/Harbor should both be strong
I think this is a map where many teams won't run a sentinel, a double controller comp feels essential for all the long sight lines and potential lurks
kyro1 [#24]i fw it but you need an awp character
Op on sage lil bro most of the good angles are passive anyway
Agx192 [#28]Op on sage lil bro most of the good angles are passive anyway
a line dawg too op if you get a awp on it
geospliced [#27]Watch FPX run this lineup lol:
Life - Neon
BerLIN - Harbor
Lysoar - Omen
Autumn - Viper
AAAAY - Gekko
genuinely could see it
alchemy02 [#26]I can see triple controller of some sorts being picked initially (omen, harbor, viper/astra) and then gekko/breach and Jett/chamber. I think harbor and omen should be pretty heavily picked from what I've seen of the layout, but the other agents are probably interchangeable.
triple controller could work i just dont see the value in omen if your running viper and harbor there arent any good one ways that viper couldnt do
kyro1 [#31]triple controller could work i just dont see the value in omen if your running viper and harbor there arent any good one ways that viper couldnt do
omen secondary duelist
charleser [#25]Jett/Raze/Neon for duelist
Sova/Breach/Gekko could all work for initiator, I can't see Skye being optimal due to the map being too big and her utility not getting a ton of value (similar to Breeze)
Astra and Omen are going to be the most picked controllers I think, it might be the best Omen map, Viper/Harbor should both be strong
I think this is a map where many teams won't run a sentinel, a double controller comp feels essential for all the long sight lines and potential lurks
i agree with your assessment besides astra and omen being the best controllers astra is better then omen bc of recall stars but omen is good but probably worse then most maps there are no good one ways for him and compared to harbor and viper they have way more value. also the only way your not running jett is if your running chamber
kyro1 [#31]triple controller could work i just dont see the value in omen if your running viper and harbor there arent any good one ways that viper couldnt do
The verticality of the map plays right into the strengths of omen + blind is the best piece of non-smoke utility out of the controllers, hence why omen is played on almost every map. I don't think viper or astra will be necessary, it's more so what other agents will actually provide something better? The map is very wide, having two walls and then a third smokes to float helps both sides. I can see maybe interchanging Kayo, who's just a strong agent in general, in for the third controller, but I just think you need at least two.
kyro1 [#29]a line dawg too op if you get a awp on it
I agree it's better to hold the deep A line but you can hold it next to the double box and it would still be good enough
alchemy02 [#34]The verticality of the map plays right into the strengths of omen + blind is the best piece of non-smoke utility out of the controllers, hence why omen is played on almost every map. I don't think viper or astra will be necessary, it's more so what other agents will actually provide something better? The map is very wide, having two walls and then a third smokes to float helps both sides. I can see maybe interchanging Kayo, who's just a strong agent in general, in for the third controller, but I just think you need at least two.
i agree omen is good on pretty much every map i just dont think omen > viper for this map. viper is essential to activate mid lurks and i think this map will play like icebox with a lot of executes with a late lurk in mid and i dont think sentinels are very good on this map besides chamber and you could prolly make kj work but i think other agents offer more so you need stall and viper is the best at stall.
Honestly, i could see something like Raze, Harbor/Viper, Omen, Cypher and Gekko.
Raze is still the best duelist, and the nerfs won't do too much to her on this map.
Harbor/Viper is necessary, with teams having to decide whether they want to go for a defensive comp with Viper or offensive one with Harbor.
Omen is one of the best agents in the game right now, and his tps have insane outplay potential.
Cypher is the best sentinel in the game, and I can see his cam have a lot more potential then KJ turret, especially with there being so much potential for unusuall placements. I could see a triple controller comp with Astra instead of him, but I don't think that's a good choice.
Gekko will be insane when it comes to not only plants, but also the number of fights there is going to happen. His util regening so quickly will be too op to not pick him.
kyro1 [#23]nah your on the right path harbor is insane on this map hes a must pick but most of the senti's suck on this map deadlock, sage, cypher all arent great so you need stall utility and on attack the only way to reliably activate mid lurks is with viper so running them both is optimal.
omen besides verticality has nothing over viper he also cant smoke from one side of the map to the other. zero reason i would pick omen over viper if im running harbor which as i said i think is a must pick. i dont think gekko is needed if you have a harbor cove to get plant down and his utility isnt that valuable outside of wingman on this map. breach is great on this map you can fit him into a comp if you running no senti + jett and sova. and i assume your talking about jett over iso which 100% prolly will happen but if you run chamber on this map which i think is better on defense then jett there is no reason to run jett bc shes useless on defense and i actually dont think a fast space maker is 100% necessary as long as you have an agent that can push awps off lines which iso excels at plus he can set up chamber on defense and his ult is insane with how the shield works now. and his vulnerable has some insane lines on defense.
Chamber is also an amazing pick, His trap can basically cover the entirety of vents. The only reason im picking omen over viper in my current comp (Jett, harbour, Omen, Sova/gekko, Breach) is because of how he will pair with these agents. Harbours cascade paired with omen gives you Mid control and pushes all the op angle away, His flash can clear back site on B and Lane in A. Viper is good, Dont get me wrong. Cycling her wall with harbours on defence is a free lockdown on site. With her molly to stop pushes and delay. But I feel like with the comp i said, We already have enough agents that have util to delay the pushes that omen wouldnt be a bad fit, Especially if your using chamber which you recommended, We have his trap, Omens nearsight, Gekko molly, Gekkoflash, Breach stun, Breach flash, Afterschock and Sovas recon and shockdart depending if you use Gekko or Sova.
Viper can easily work in this comp too, But the execute in mid would be a little more complex.
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