Despite everyone calling him this, he has never MVPed in a single international event or even gotten top 5 rating except in Masters 1 reykjavik. Tell me how this guy is the goat again?
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How is aspas the "goat"?
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valkin [#4]??? his consistency as a top 3 duelist itw,
no duelist has had his consistency its not that confusing
Leo's consistency as best initiator (top 1) for 1.5 years compared to Aspas's consistency as top 3 duelist for 2.5 years
Leo was also good in 2021 and 2022 (GUILD just wasnt the best team, but Sayf & Leo were gods)
who's the goat between these 2?
sentinelmain377 [#6]Leo's consistency as best initiator (top 1) for 1.5 years compared to Aspas's consistency as top 3 duelist for 2.5 years
Leo was also good in 2021 and 2022 (GUILD just wasnt the best team, but Sayf & Leo were gods)
who's the goat between these 2?
yap yap yap
aspas is the goat duelist idgaf about initiator
youngdagger [#8]Been a top 5 duelist every year, not a one trick, won an international event and continued to perform across multiple rosters. You can make arguments for who's had the highest peak, but he's been the most consistent duelist
But how can you achieve "goat" status without a single MVP to your name?
donkkomong [#13]Name one player thats better than Aspas and I'll let you know how surely wrong you are. Just name one I dare you.
#7
lLoveMen [#14]Blud stuck in 2022
nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
ilovefrozenblueberries [#16]nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
he did say consistent
donkkomong [#13]Name one player thats better than Aspas and I'll let you know how surely wrong you are. Just name one I dare you.
yayster
tenz
f0rsaken
donkkomong [#13]Name one player thats better than Aspas and I'll let you know how surely wrong you are. Just name one I dare you.
stewie2k
donkkomong [#13]Name one player thats better than Aspas and I'll let you know how surely wrong you are. Just name one I dare you.
Your flair has 3 players better than aspas
ilovefrozenblueberries [#16]nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
lmaooo
donkkomong [#20]No Leo isn't, although he is my #2 pick as second best player in the world.
I think people are just blinded by his flashy plays. Leo is way more consistent and also doesn't disappear when his team needs him
Consistency.
Aspas has always been in the discussion for best player itw ever since his rookie year in 2022. He might not always be the absolute #1 on every given moment of his career, but he is ALWAYS up there (like, at least top 5 easily) and never really fell off in performance.
Players like TenZ and yay went from 100 to 10 over the years with roster and meta changes, while Aspas always kept an 80-90 without ever dropping so far.
Just look at his match history. Lightning strikes in a sunny day more often than Aspas has a bad individual performance in a series.
sentinelmain377 [#6]Leo's consistency as best initiator (top 1) for 1.5 years compared to Aspas's consistency as top 3 duelist for 2.5 years
Leo was also good in 2021 and 2022 (GUILD just wasnt the best team, but Sayf & Leo were gods)
who's the goat between these 2?
Initiator is a lot easier to be consistent on, you just have to use util but with duelist you need to get kills, take space, entry and not die before any of that.
SomeoneLikeU [#26]Initiator is a lot easier to be consistent on, you just have to use util but with duelist you need to get kills, take space, entry and not die before any of that.
hard to compare the following 2 things, but:
Leo has also been 2nd caller on FNATIC and has god-like communication
Multiple coaches also say that Leo is the perfect player, 0 mistakes, etc
groomer [#24]I think people are just blinded by his flashy plays. Leo is way more consistent and also doesn't disappear when his team needs him
Give Leo C0m and Tex and say the same shit you just said.
SanePath [#27]2024
Masters Shanghai (Swiss Stage)
-9 (vs FUT)
+15
+14AMER Stage 1 (Regular Season + Playoffs)
+17
+21
+6
+17
+29
+19
+34
+32America Kickoff (Group Stage)
+12
-4 (vs Loud)
+22Total Average (14 games): +16
1 bad game against FUT doesn’t mean shit, he’s still him.
+29... +34... +32... Why couldn't he perform like this during Shanghai?
ilovefrozenblueberries [#16]nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
LMFAOOOOOOOO
W of the year: ilovefrozenblueberries
groomer [#30]+29... +34... +32... Why couldn't he perform like this during Shanghai?
bc he's not Leo
groomer [#30]+29... +34... +32... Why couldn't he perform like this during Shanghai?
the team was much more coordinated in stage1 regular season than shanghai or stage1 playoffs, it wasn't an aspas thing
dort [#12]aspas is the most overrated player ever. bro always chokes in big games. he's a tenz clone basically
sim nrg, Sentinels e optic são time pequenos triste NA e a pior região por isso e a puta do brasil
ShuraGam [#25]Consistency.
Aspas has always been in the discussion for best player itw ever since his rookie year in 2022. He might not always be the absolute #1 on every given moment of his career, but he is ALWAYS up there (like, at least top 5 easily) and never really fell off in performance.
Players like TenZ and yay went from 100 to 10 over the years with roster and meta changes, while Aspas always kept an 80-90 without ever dropping so far.
Just look at his match history. Lightning strikes in a sunny day more often than Aspas has a bad individual performance in a series.
Ik he's very consistent and easily top 3 itw. But how can you be considered the "goat" without having any dominant performances internationally?
groomer [#30]+29... +34... +32... Why couldn't he perform like this during Shanghai?
Because no Ame minnows in Shanghai
dort [#12]aspas is the most overrated player ever. bro always chokes in big games. he's a tenz clone basically
unlike tenz hes actually good at the game
groomer [#11]But how can you achieve "goat" status without a single MVP to your name?
MVP means nothing, it doesnt guarantee you anything, look at zeek where is he now? look at yay struggling in apac, look at suygetsu underperforming this year, while aspas has been consistent since the start
ilovefrozenblueberries [#16]nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
W consistency from yay
ilovefrozenblueberries [#16]nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
Oh hell nah 💀💀
SomeoneLikeU [#26]Initiator is a lot easier to be consistent on, you just have to use util but with duelist you need to get kills, take space, entry and not die before any of that.
lmao initiator is a lot harder than duelist bro what are you on?
MrCrespito [#40]MVP means nothing, it doesnt guarantee you anything, look at zeek where is he now? look at yay struggling in apac, look at suygetsu underperforming this year, while aspas has been consistent since the start
Lol yes mvp means something. If you're gonna outright call someone goat at least have the stats to back it up
groomer [#30]+29... +34... +32... Why couldn't he perform like this during Shanghai?
because his team sucks? we all saw that round where kingg omen ulted away in a 2v2, aspas doesn't have nearly the same caliber of supporting players to set him up
groomer [#45]Lol yes mvp means something. If you're gonna outright call someone goat at least have the stats to back it up
didn’t i just mentioned 3 international tournament’s MVPs that are doing nothing or playing bad rn? you can’t judge someone being the goat by that player winning a MVP of a tourney
ilovefrozenblueberries [#16]nah look at his vlr page its almost all one color for the past year
thats FUCCCKKKEDDD
groomer [#30]+29... +34... +32... Why couldn't he perform like this during Shanghai?
You are trolling, right?
MrCrespito [#47]didn’t i just mentioned 3 international tournament’s MVPs that are doing nothing or playing bad rn? you can’t judge someone being the goat by that player winning a MVP of a tourney
Baiter bro... just leave it
He's this type of guy: https://imgur.com/a/SmwySxf
groomer [#7]Leo
Well yea Leo is really good and consistent, but he is on that highest level since last year really (yea Guild existed but noone cares really)
Aspas on the other hand feels like the best player in the world since he joined LOUD back in the early 2022.
While I feel like Leo, Chronicle and others are in the talks, I see aspas as the goat
Matheusssss7 [#34]sim nrg, Sentinels e optic são time pequenos triste NA e a pior região por isso e a puta do brasil
Always Chokes in big games
👆🏻 = This
DRX 2022
OpTic 2022 (2x)
NRG 2023
NAVI 2023
Fnatic 2023 (2x)
EDG 2023
EG 2023 (He stepped up with Less, but the rest of the team was bad at that game + TuyZ didn't even slept that day due to fever)
100 Thieves 2024 (Kick-off)
Sentinels 2024 (Stage 2 - When they were the recent Masters Madrid winners)
KRU 2024 (Stage 2 - When they were 5-0)
It's a forced narrative stemming from a mixture of a lot of things- Figures like Yay, Derke, Demon1 falling off gave a false perception about his consistency + fans regurgitating
extreme glorifying words + the sheer amount of fans that drown out valid criticism and lastly, just the sheer amount revisionistic opinions being thrown around that gets backed up by Aspas's humongous fan base contributes to it all.
Truth is the val is still too young to have a goat. The goat of val is probably too young to play tier 1 yet. Even Faker started solidifying himself as the goat after 3 years of 22' Yay level of consistency with a higher peak than Reykjavik tenz while revolutionizing the way the game was played. He only established himself as THE undisputed GOAT after having one of if not the greatest individual performance in worlds (a performance Aspas has yet to have in his career) ever.
I know it's unfair use Faker as the standard but even when compared to someone like Chovy, Aspas still seems premature.
BadlandsChugs [#46]because his team sucks? we all saw that round where kingg omen ulted away in a 2v2, aspas doesn't have nearly the same caliber of supporting players to set him up
If his team sucked he wouldn't have made it to Shanghai
MrCrespito [#47]didn’t i just mentioned 3 international tournament’s MVPs that are doing nothing or playing bad rn? you can’t judge someone being the goat by that player winning a MVP of a tourney
How does other players performing bad make aspas the goat? Makes no sense bruh
groomer [#24]I think people are just blinded by his flashy plays. Leo is way more consistent and also doesn't disappear when his team needs him
aspas... disappears????? whos carrying lev rn then lol
groomer [#61]If his team sucked he wouldn't have made it to Shanghai
im not about to be baited into this argument by someone with groomer as their username
Macdaddy_Val [#18]he did say consistent
he is consistent, just look he is consistently losing and previously he was consistenlty winning, hes on both sides of consistency
Kirako [#69]he is consistent, just look he is consistently losing and previously he was consistenlty winning, hes on both sides of consistency
he's consistently consistent
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