This debate is so silly because almost every trophy but one or 2 can be argued to be fraudulent in some way so what's the point of calling them frauds just accept they were the best at that period of time
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nah optic was mid af
It was painful to watch reykjavik knowing that fpx would've destroyed every team that event
And Loud still couldn’t win. Just accept that no tournament is a fluke.
Prx literally practiced with monyet since champs wdum 3 teams had a sub it was only th and th was dominating emea with pattitek
irrelevancy and flukes differ, idk where you categorize the word "fraudulent" for but I don't consider Madrid a fluke but instead the least relevant tourney since LOCK//IN and probably even farther back considering FNC and LOUD remained strong teams for the rest of the year. On the other hand, I think Champs 2021 was relevant but was still an absolute fluke bc of the winner.
Besides masters Berlin, Copenhagen and champs 2023/2022 you can make some sort of justification for them being flukes like sen 2021 happening when people had no clue how the game worked or lock//in since it was single elim I just think it doesn't matter as much as people claim
the first masters was def not a fluke lmao, people just don't care about it anymore, that's my point about irrelevancy. If that tournament was double elim SEN most likely would've still won. As time passes it'll continue becoming more and more irrelevant, that's just how it is. I mean TenZ is literally the only guy from that SEN roster that's still playing in Tier 1 after only 3 years.
It was double elim lmao early sen were just built different but yeah I guess there is a difference between them
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LOCK//IN itself didn't hold much weight for sure, but the fact 3/4 teams that made it to the playoffs remained a top tier team throughout the rest of the year is still important. If Madrid's top 4 can't pull off the same thing for the rest of the year (ignoring the Jinggg upgrade for PRX) then you can make a real argument that it was less relevant than LOCK//IN, people are already doing it rn too.
Agree tbh idk how kc lost to fnc they should not be allowed to make 3 comebacks and one of if not the 1st BO5 reverse sweep in history to win EMEA
To clarify, top 4 teams from Madrid shouldn't include LOUD since TH played better than them + the only reason TH didnt make playoffs is playing against 2 of the top 3 teams while almost beating one as well. So therefore 3/4 teams from top 4 Madrid are still top tier teams
Simple logic
Your favourite team didn't win = It's a mickey mouse/ fraud win
Only lock in is the fraud tournament and Iceland 2022 everything else is not fraudulent
lots of tourneys seem fraudlent from outside control but why is nobody talking about tokyo? fnc only one because leo blatantly cheated by turning on walls:
Split vs EG (this round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG485ChbqiY ), EG would have won and gotten two map ban and map pick, Ban Bind Lotus Pick Fracture (EG win) Haven (FNC win) Pearl (EG win) Split (Could go either way) Ascent (EG win)
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