forsaken or chronicle?

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Mozzarellas

Chronicle stats

Berlin 1.28(top 2)
Champs 2021 1.16(top 4)
Lock in 1.11(top 28)
Tokyo 1.21(top 3)
Champs 2023 0.98(below too many people)

Forsaken stats

Reykjavik 1.07(like top 15-20)
Copenhagen 0.98(like top 35-40)
Champs 2022 0.94(wont even count, below too many players)
Lock in 0.75(like top 100 idfk)
Tokyo 0.96(cant even bother to count his placement)
Champs 2023 1.00(like top 30)
Madrid 1.02(top 18)

forsaken cant even scratch the 1.0 rating on most events that he has played in while chronicle has proven time and time again that he can have impact on multiple agents and on multiple teams

Also for the people that call forsaken prx's "backbone" let me remind you that prx had 1 good run in copenhagen (forsaken lowest rated player in the grandfinals lobby while also rated lower than boaster and koldamenta overall btw) and then proceeded to get grouped in champs and getting knocked out of lockin in the first round vs c9. Guess when prx started showing signs of being a good team again? Exactly, when something joined the roster, something has proven to be the best prx player time and time again being apac mvp 2 years in a row and being the highest rated prx player in all tournaments yet forsaken still gets all the credit for some reason?

Lastly for the "stats arent everything, eye test matters" here's an eye test for you

🏆🏆🏆 vs

Edit: shitpac fans cant argue with this so they just calle me obsessed

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chsnvictr

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f0rsaken is a better flex ( not close )

chronicle is usually the better player but on fnc hes been streaky ngl

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Mozzarellas

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better flex how?

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ozaee

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he plays like 50 agents all pretty, no one comes close

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Mozzarellas

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I can also pick and play 50 agents, what matters is the performance on them

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ozaee

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i mistyped, i meant to say all pretty good and the team he is on

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Ibbi807

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dumbass

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yawnster

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Facts, I legit made a thread a day ago as well disproving these delusional apac shiters with facts and logic and they all started crying and insulting me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

https://www.vlr.gg/347889/chronicle-f0rsaken-by-far

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Psion

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he's comfortable on like 30% more agents
f0rsaken
jett, raze, yoru, chamber, kayo, neon, skye, breach, sova, harbor, kj, cypher, phoenix(13)
chronicle:
sova, breach, viper, raze, brim, kayo, chamber, omen, kj, skye (10)

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Can you define comfortable

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Psion

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minimum 10 games on an agent with exceptions, in this case there were none

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Chronicle 4th best player in kick off and best on fnatic
2nd best player on fnatic in stage 1(top 11)

Also f0rsaken is mid af at most of agents that he plays, and he plays them only because prx has quirky comps(he plays them against shitpac farmers too)
And on fnatic everyone has a comfortable role so chronicle doesnt need to flex much even tho he can

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chsnvictr

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nah its like the opposite

f0rsaken is generally top 15 at every agent and I'm not joking

chronicle is the one whos mid at times on flex

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Mozzarellas

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Yes u can tell that by comparing their stats

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Al-Mawsil

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look at the games

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Mozzarellas

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HOW CAN HE HAVE BETTER GAMES THAN CHRONICLE WHEN HE CSNT EVEN GET ABOVE 1 RATING IN INTERNATIONALS

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Al-Mawsil

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tell u what ur right mate chronny is better than forskin, now can u fuck off

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number2_cNed_fan

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hold on let me edit this with a counter
edit: nvm it aint worth it

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number1_cned_hater

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Counter with what

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Mozzarellas

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eye test

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Psion

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using VLR rating to decide which player is better is like only using quality and not using cost effectiveness when comparing healthcare

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kalayav_n

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VLR tiktok baboons, if you watch the actual game with your eyes you would 100% know forsaken is the best flex in the world

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Psion

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to plug into a team in a bubble, no context? i'd take f0rsaken
in specific situations, chronicle is better, and in other situations, f0rsaken is, but if i know nothing, I'd rather f0rsaken

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Tryeue2

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if i know nothing im picking up rb

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Psion

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does RB even know english?
duelist: f0rsaken
viper/harbor: f0rsaken
senti: equal
info init: rb
flash init: f0rsaken
controller: neither, if i had to pick, rb
edit: added "if i had to pick, rb"

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Tryeue2

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basics i think he can defo give basic comms tho

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Psion

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brother respond to the other half of the msg dingleberry

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Tryeue2

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you edited it 11 seconds ago also who says dingleberry you meecrob

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Psion

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you can see when i edited it, i added "if i had to pick, rb" to controller, the rest was already in

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Tryeue2

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his raze looked good but it was also in cn and his neon was insane i believe he played jett asw(northeption match is what i remember) and it was good. so for duelist id put rb but i dont remember his yoru at all lmao. Id put rb for duelist asw tho(prolly bias).
his flash initiator is not terrible but not great his info inti is good.

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Psion

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rb;'s raze is better, but f0rsaken's jett is tiers above and his yoru is galaxies ahead

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Tryeue2

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agree about that but rb is the neon 🐐

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Psion

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sadly neon's best 2 maps aren't even in teh pool (haven and fracture)

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Kirya

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I watched both players and chron is way better
Forsaken is mid at most of his agents and his util is dogshit, he gets kills purely off mechanics
+Statpads against apac farmers and shits himself in most of international events

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Mozzarellas

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Uhmm aschually silver vlr users can tell you just by looking, that forsaken clears chron and its not even close🤓

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kalayav_n

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https://www.vlr.gg/312780/paper-rex-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/312799/team-heretics-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r2

saying shit jus to say shit

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Kirya

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What does this prove

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kalayav_n

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idk you tell me

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Kirya

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Just straight up admit that this proves nothing
Cherry picked 2 games against th with stand in and loud with qck, he played horrible in playoffs.

But also I noticed thanks to this, that hes a mid flex and his stats are inflated by his comfort picks like raze and yoru, whilst he bottomfrags on other agents, and thus it seems like hes a good flex

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Psion

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fyi: if we rated healthcare like how i said, US would be #1, which just isn't true

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Tryeue2

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i choose rb

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BringMeTheHorizon

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you're comparing in wrong game buddy, this game is just an ability simulator you throw shit all around and whoever throws the better shit is the winner

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lilcheese

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just how bad his f0rskin?

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LMAO

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Prontera

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This kind of thread makes me think ur fav player actually forsaken. U seems obsessed about him lol

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R4V4N4

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0 trophy forsaken HAHA

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FireII

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bro is always thinking about f0rsaken

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Mebi

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living rent free in his head fr

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Mozzarellas

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Ye cause its criminal how overrated he is

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SleepyBear

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aww 💖 is that means you think about him when you sleep to? 💞✨🎉

have you ever dream about him ?

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Mozzarellas

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Your grammar is gonna be haunting me in my sleep

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SleepyBear

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Ad hominem 💀🤡

Y0uR gRaMm4R is g0nN4...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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TEHMANISDINGIN

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lmao, bro dont have counter argument, so he choose grammar

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Mozzarellas

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Counter argument for what? The guy above had no argument for me to counter💀 he just called me obsessed

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TEHMANISDINGIN

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and i think he is right, you just obsessed to f0rseken

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Mozzarellas

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U can think what you want but your initial comment makes no sense, there was nothing there for me to counter

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dual000

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Do actually obsession to F0rsaken? aww

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gfnchaoz

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chron the better player and the better fragger
but f0rsaken is the one behind prx's chaotic playstyle, the brain of prx we know rn, and even flex to fill in the comp

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brainrot

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SleepyBear

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(✿◠‿◠) kyaaaa what a cute, bro is in love with f0rsakeN ✨💋😘

24/7 talking about him 💖UwU💖

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Time to rant I guess

So forsaken was one of paper rex's DUELIST players when they were first starting out. Chronicle has been a flex player for a long time (idk when he started).

Forsaken only switched to a flex player when something joined prx and then he played duelist a lot at Tokyo because something couldn't go and they had to use a sub. This switch when something joined was big, and was also probably a reason that paper rex played better, not just because of something.

If you look at the stats when both players were playing full flex, forsaken actually does better than chronicle (Champs 2023, Madrid)

This not only shows that forsaken was the theoretical better player at the events they both flexed, but it also shows that although chronicle may have been the better player historically, nowadays forsaken seems better, especially considering he went to Madrid and chronicle didn't. (Although fnatic does seem to be looking better after winning stage 1)

Now we wait to see how my opinion gets invalidated by people saying "🏆🏆🏆 vs. " or "prx glazer" or something like that

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bronzil_enjoyer

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babe wake up new stats thread just dropped

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cartixuzi

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ok but the spoiler was funny af

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Chronicle is a lot more consistent.

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symbols07

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chronicle: 3 international trophies

forsaken: error 404: not found

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This is true 😁 f0rsaken is just very likeable or something because I’ve heard a few people even call him the goat despite his mediocre numbers and 0 trophies😭

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forsaken being the goat or the best flex is the closest thing to winning a trophy that apac can get so they're trying their hardest to enforce it

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chronicle is proven talent

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Mozzarellas

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i mean forsaken isnt bad either but he's not better than chronicle, theyre both proven but chronicle has proved time and time again that he's better

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NoOne_ButMe

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Bro he missed a cage lineup on split A and caged himself of in a oneway.
Forsaken would neva

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didnt forsaken miss his cove lineup on B vs nrg like 4 rounds in a row lmao

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Nah i read somewhere it was intentional to block off flash from NRG spawn? i think because theres no way the lineup is so off that it lands perfectly at the spot where a flash from spawn would land

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heavensentsaint

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bruh ethan missed his molly/flash lineups multiple times in nrg does that mean his 2023 champ title should be taken away lol

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Bro no one is taking the champs title from him he is a goat
Its just that forsaken is better and what he does for his team is insane

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heavensentsaint

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forsaken is not better than chronicle wtf one is actually proven talent

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They're both dogshit 🇩🇰

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Dont post if you re braindead. Just keep watchin the stat forever

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You cant be the best flex in the world and consistently drop negative rating in events, its simple

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Samsat78

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Thats why watch the fkin game not vlr lmao

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cook these delusional apac fans
"f0rsaken top player" 🤓🤓
this guy has literally never been a top 5 player in his whole career

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as much as i have apac bias you are right

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Kirya

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apac bots have better players such as something davai jinggg texture and etc and they decide to dickride botsaken instead

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Finally someone is calling out how overrated forskin is. APAC fans are too scared to admit that he's above average at best. Can't wait for PRX to choke another trophy

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The APAC region itself is overrated as a region anyway. Farmer's League which is why PRX f0rsaken can stat pad. Literally all hype to just choke or get piped down in the international tournament. 0 trophy region 😂😂. All their fans can do is cry and downvotes every disagreement or criticism of their shit regions.

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Why is this thread so downvoted when its literally true😭😭

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Kirya

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Botsaken adhd fans cant handle truth sadly

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Dorszlol20

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I love forsaken but assfic fans are so down bad wtf 😭😭

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It’s pretty ridiculous how people keep calling him a top 5 player of all time 😂

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Agreed, Chronicle at peak is top 30 at best 😂

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Imagine choose a flex based on statistic? If they are duelist, then yes statistic (High ACS, high First kill, low first death)

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your mom

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Tbh chronicle does not play many agents compared to forsaken.

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UsmanSy3d

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Your whole account is just about obsessing with forsaken, grow up

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bro read 3 replies and made that assumption

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I looked through your first two pages of replies, thats well over 30 replies, with 20 of them being abt forsaken, not even including this thread

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chronicle
f0reskin is a useless baiter