I think Valorant wont ever get remotely close to CS if they keep doing franchising. In 2025, Valve is making all TOs go completely open circuit, even though most tournaments already have some open qualifiers for spots. Even A tier tournaments are abundant for tier 2. Is Valorant esports set up for failure?
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Netero [#3]Only 40 year olds are playing cheater strike, the rest are rage hackers and AI bots
braindead
PoohShiesty [#2]CS is totally dead outside of EU
I think Valorant will be fine
For now, what about long term? NA/Asia can come back, they just need a spark again, just like what happened in the beginning of CSGO. Theres already sign of that with the Mongolz and coL still doing decent in tier1 with talents slowly building up again when Valorant yoinked all the tier2 NA talent
PoohShiesty [#2]CS is totally dead outside of EU
I think Valorant will be fine
its only dead because of covid and the online era. na had a decent scene before that
Netero [#3]Only 40 year olds are playing cheater strike, the rest are rage hackers and AI bots
Bait used to be believable
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#6]its only dead because of covid and the online era. na had a decent scene before that
All those players went to Valorant. There's literally no way NACS will recover unless Valve personally does something.
China/Mongolia might have some decent tier2 teams in the future. But there's no hope for NA.
the best thing about cs esports is that every single tournament has a way to get in through open qualifiers, you get tier 2 teams in major finals which makes the game so much more competitive. think about how many t2 teams are better than some t1 teams in val and imagine if those teams had a chance to play each other... common riot L
IAmRichYouAreNot [#5]For now, what about long term? NA/Asia can come back, they just need a spark again, just like what happened in the beginning of CSGO. Theres already sign of that with the Mongolz and coL still doing decent in tier1 with talents slowly building up again when Valorant yoinked all the tier2 NA talent
Col just lost to fucking OG today, they're not doing shit
PoohShiesty [#8]All those players went to Valorant. There's literally no way NACS will recover unless Valve personally does something.
China/Mongolia might have some decent tier2 teams in the future. But there's no hope for NA.
eh most players who went to val were either t3 and couldnt be good in cs or were t1 and fell off hard so they needed the bag
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#11]eh most players who went to val were either t3 and couldnt be good in cs or were t1 and fell off hard so they needed the bag
Zoomers aren't playing CS in NA.
There's no NA donk. How can you maintain a scene when all your players are 25y/o+
PoohShiesty [#10]Col just lost to fucking OG today, they're not doing shit
of course they lost the just qualified to the major a couple days ago and had to travel to europe and landed last night, they had no prep and were jet lagged...
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#13]of course they lost the just qualified to the major a couple days ago and had to travel to europe and landed last night, they had no prep and were jet lagged...
They qualified in the Americas RMR, against bots.
First game against a EU team and they shit the bed.
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#4]braindead
every steam review is just people saying ranked is loaded with cheaters lol. The only content creation videos people make of it now is just crate gambling and hack installation tutorials. The scene is dead brotha
Netero [#15]every steam review is just people saying ranked is loaded with cheaters lol. The only content creation videos people make of it now is just crate gambling and hack installation tutorials. The scene is dead brotha
any decent player will play on faceit, ive actually seen more cheaters in valorant than on faceit actually. soon there will be a new anti cheat for mm and this bullshit will be in the past.
The only content creation videos people make of it now is just crate gambling and hack installation tutorials.
you dont watch cs content.
PoohShiesty [#10]Col just lost to fucking OG today, they're not doing shit
Jetlagged from flying straight to Europe from Mexico after just qualifying for the major a day before and playing in 24hours. Also this match did not mean much to them as they can use the extra days as bootcamp for the major. They may not be in their best form, but they still are top 10
PoohShiesty [#14]They qualified in the Americas RMR, against bots.
First game against a EU team and they shit the bed.
do you seriously expect a team to play well after travelling halfway across the world and playing an official less than a day later with no prep?????? cmon now
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#18]do you seriously expect a team to play well after travelling halfway across the world and playing an official less than a day later with no prep?????? cmon now
If you're a top10 team, you should be able to easily beat OG.
cboomer [#19]Val is more entertaining
Riot is just better at esports
Val is more entertaining
thats your opinion not everyone shares it
Riot is just better at esports
this is just straight cap lmao
PoohShiesty [#12]Zoomers aren't playing CS in NA.
There's no NA donk. How can you maintain a scene when all your players are 25y/o+
Clearly it’s obvious you dont follow any CS by just making shit up, if you click a single teams profile on HLTV, you see plenty of young players
IAmRichYouAreNot [#22]Clearly it’s obvious you dont follow any CS by just making shit up, if you click a single teams profile on HLTV, you see plenty of young players
They're all tier4.
Not a single upcoming t1 talent.
obo was the last decent young player from NA.
Idk why you guys cope so much, just give it up. The scene is dead.
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#9]the best thing about cs esports is that every single tournament has a way to get in through open qualifiers, you get tier 2 teams in major finals which makes the game so much more competitive. think about how many t2 teams are better than some t1 teams in val and imagine if those teams had a chance to play each other... common riot L
I agree with this
AlmartAn [#23]CS better esports community
Val better esport
(I come from CS)
Its all subjective but I like both esports too, just hate how Riot is handling Valorant atm and dont see a bright future for it. Just look at League and see their production, they clearly have a favorite child and purposely are trying to trash Valorant
IAmRichYouAreNot [#27]Its all subjective but I like both esports too, just hate how Riot is handling Valorant atm and dont see a bright future for it. Just look at League and see their production, they clearly have a favorite child and purposely are trying to trash Valorant
I agree with that but they're not gonna let it die, even tho it takes them so long you know that when they do something to the game is gonna be great (literally managed to create an important esport in 4 years and the best anticheat out there), they think a lot about every move
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#21]Val is more entertaining
thats your opinion not everyone shares it
Riot is just better at esports
this is just straight cap lmao
saying riot is better than valve at esports is not cap, but its also irrelevant since valve lets 3rd parties manage tournaments
PoohShiesty [#20]If you're a top10 team, you should be able to easily beat OG.
You act like upsets dont happen, happens in Valorant and it happens in CS as well. Itwas a very close match with coL being up and OGhad to comeback. Also the format is single elimination, you cant take the result that seriously
Psion [#30]saying riot is better than valve at esports is not cap, but its also irrelevant since valve lets 3rd parties manage tournaments
Because looks like valve doesn't care about it's game, maybe they're busy developing half life 3?
Daniveus [#26]CS will always be the better esport and it is not even close
Valorant, LoL tournaments just don't have the same hype as a CS major
tho I still like to watch Valorant (also because of the watch parties that make it less boring)
this is purely your opinion. I hate league as a game but worlds is bigger than a CS major, and a simple google search shows league is the most watched esport
AlmartAn [#32]Because looks like valve doesn't care about it's game, maybe they're busy developing half life 3?
good one lmao, people said that back when they started to stop caring as much abt tf2 too iirc
AlmartAn [#29]I agree with that but they're not gonna let it die, even tho it takes them so long you know that when they do something to the game is gonna be great (literally managed to create an important esport in 4 years and the best anticheat out there), they think a lot about every move
Im not so sure, I think in the beginning they really wanted to beat CS and showcase everything in high value until they realize managing Valorant was too expensive to maintain both League and Valorant at the same time. They then start cutting the costs by having less tournaments and creating franchising, meaning they want to cutback in everything. Of course, the solution would be to bring in external TOs, but Riot is too greedy for that
Psion [#34]good one lmao, people said that back when they started to stop caring as much abt tf2 too iirc
Let em cook for a decade
IAmRichYouAreNot [#35]Im not so sure, I think in the beginning they really wanted to beat CS and showcase everything in high value until they realize managing Valorant was too expensive to maintain both League and Valorant at the same time. They then start cutting the costs by having less tournaments and creating franchising, meaning they want to cutback in everything. Of course, the solution would be to bring in external TOs, but Riot is too greedy for that
i don't think that franchising came with the idea of cutting costs given that they pay teams a lot
PoohShiesty [#24]They're all tier4.
Not a single upcoming t1 talent.
obo was the last decent young player from NA.Idk why you guys cope so much, just give it up. The scene is dead.
Obo, I see you havent been in touch with CS in years. Jba, Swisher, Reck are just a few whose making a name for themselves. Like I said before, since Valorant took all the tier2 NA pros, it takes time to recover that. People been saying NA is dead for years, well it never died even though its been on its very lows during Covid and starting to recover with new orgs coming in or returning.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#27]Its all subjective but I like both esports too, just hate how Riot is handling Valorant atm and dont see a bright future for it. Just look at League and see their production, they clearly have a favorite child and purposely are trying to trash Valorant
having a favourite child/s is kinda a feature of a franchise system to create hype, but I get what you are saying. If anything this year is somewhat moving away from that narrative which is making the game more exciting imo
Psion [#37]i don't think that franchising came with the idea of cutting costs given that they pay teams a lot
Pay few teams or manage hundreds of orgs and games, which is more expensive?
Daniveus [#26]CS will always be the better esport and it is not even close
Valorant, LoL tournaments just don't have the same hype as a CS major
tho I still like to watch Valorant (also because of the watch parties that make it less boring)
pretty sure worlds is the biggest esport event every year
Psion [#33]this is purely your opinion. I hate league as a game but worlds is bigger than a CS major, and a simple google search shows league is the most watched esport
I am not talking about viewership, just the hype the tournaments bring (entertainment value)
You can say it is my opinion but I feel like CS is by far the most entertaining game to watch
You might have seen those videos of the CS crowds going crazy, it almost feels like a football match
The only other game I have watched that comes close is surprisingly Rocket League
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#9]the best thing about cs esports is that every single tournament has a way to get in through open qualifiers, you get tier 2 teams in major finals which makes the game so much more competitive. think about how many t2 teams are better than some t1 teams in val and imagine if those teams had a chance to play each other... common riot L
i fucking love open circuits and those 191726 tournaments a year, too bad all brazilian teams are shit nowadays so only donk games interest me
IAmRichYouAreNot [#38]Obo, I see you havent been in touch with CS in years. Jba, Swisher, Reck are just a few whose making a name for themselves. Like I said before, since Valorant took all the tier2 NA pros, it takes time to recover that. People been saying NA is dead for years, well it never died even though its been on its very lows during Covid and starting to recover with new orgs coming in or returning.
All tier3 players.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#41]Pay few teams or manage hundreds of orgs and games, which is more expensive?
2nd one but both are more expensive than other options lmao
Daniveus [#43]I am not talking about viewership, just the hype the tournaments bring (entertainment value)
You can say it is my opinion but I feel like CS is by far the most entertaining game to watch
You might have seen those videos of the CS crowds going crazy, it almost feels like a football match
The only other game I have watched that comes close is surprisingly Rocket League
so this is all opinionated then lmao
moshimoshiman24 [#42]pretty sure worlds is the biggest esport event every year
cricket is also bigger than american football...
more views != more entertaining
Psion [#30]saying riot is better than valve at esports is not cap, but its also irrelevant since valve lets 3rd parties manage tournaments
3 doesnt exist in Valves vocabulary
Psion [#47]so this is all opinionated then lmao
It is always an opinion, I just think I have better arguments
Psion [#30]saying riot is better than valve at esports is not cap, but its also irrelevant since valve lets 3rd parties manage tournaments
Wtf is this take, if you care about your esports scene you would allow 3rd party TOs to help your esports and not being so greedy
Ullyr [#53]Cs2 is in a bad state idk just not that exciting. Valorant got effects and shit and super power
Your goat DanK1ng will save it
IAmRichYouAreNot [#52]Wtf is this take, if you care about your esports scene you would allow 3rd party TOs to help your esports and not being so greedy
league is the biggest esport and riot runs everything.... If valve ran everything related to CS it would be way worse than riot to league or valorant
Daniveus [#50]It is always an opinion, I just think I have better arguments
none of what u said supports an argument it is all your opinion(no facts). the only non-opinionated sentence in our entire discussion is ". I hate league as a game but worlds is bigger than a CS major, and a simple google search shows league is the most watched esport"
Psion [#56]none of what u said supports an argument it is all your opinion(no facts). the only non-opinionated sentence in our entire discussion is ". I hate league as a game but worlds is bigger than a CS major, and a simple google search shows league is the most watched esport"
you can't make an objective argument for one game being more entertaining than another, it always depends on the individual and hence this discussion would be pointless
I am using my criteria to define what game is better to watch and so I prefer CS and RL (I don't even play RL but it is cool to watch)
your argument is just baseless since viewership does not immediately correlate to greater entertainment value
Daniveus [#57]you can't make an objective argument for one game being more entertaining than another, it always depends on the individual and hence this discussion would be pointless
I am using my criteria to define what game is better to watch and so I prefer CS and RL (I don't even play RL but it is cool to watch)
your argument is just baseless since viewership does not immediately correlate to greater entertainment value
you do realize there are more ways to quantify an esport than entertainment value right? i am not talking about entertainment value AT ALL. you said CS is a better esport originally, not that it is more entertainiing
Psion [#58]you do realize there are more ways to quantify an esport than entertainment value right? i am not talking about entertainment value AT ALL. you said CS is a better esport originally, not that it is more entertainiing
I obviously meant to say that it was the most entertaining, I honestly have no idea how you managed to misinterpret it
Daniveus [#59]I obviously meant to say that it was the most entertaining, I honestly have no idea how you managed to misinterpret it
you have no sense of anything if you think ANYONE can infer "CS will always be the better esport and it is not even close" to mean entertainment. 2/2 people who replied to you thought u were talking about CS being a better esport and not just that it is more entertaining
Psion [#55]league is the biggest esport and riot runs everything.... If valve ran everything related to CS it would be way worse than riot to league or valorant
You literally do not get the point I made all over this thread. Its not ideal to maintain two esports at a very high level, thats why Riot is degrading Valorant to cut cost, but a better solution is to bring in 3rd party TOs to manage some events
Psion [#60]you have no sense of anything if you think ANYONE can infer "CS will always be the better esport and it is not even close" to mean entertainment. 2/2 people who replied to you thought u were talking about CS being a better esport and not just that it is more entertaining
I used the words "hype", and "like to watch" just in my first post. In the second, I explicitly say "entertainment value".
What did you think I was talking about seriously?
I used to watch cs esports from 2016 to around 2020 but i dont know i just find it so boring since then, i find the game (pro scene) to be too repetitive, same plays, same defaults, the same old players moving around rosters..
I find val way, way more entertaining for obvious reasons such as too much different stuff can happen, kills feel satisfying and underdog teams can upset. And thats me, a player with over 7k hours on cs saying this and i have around 300-400 hours in val.
Last major got 1.5M as a record, sen vs loud a regional match got to 830k almost beating that.. I dont know, val scene seems to be doing ok. Not to mention theres also the asian scene (particularly chinese scene) who get so, SO many viewers it wouldnt be crazy to say chinese viewership beats any cs s tier event alone.
Cs nowadays its like a EU regional event, its only europeans playing against each other and no other region comes even close to them, nothing wrong i just think its way too boring and one of the reasons i could see cs esports dying, because countries such as Brazil, Eua or LATAM in general do not have >>good<< team representing them, i know they still got teams like furia, col or nrg but you get what i mean, teams that will win S-tier events.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#61]You literally do not get the point I made all over this thread. Its not ideal to maintain two esports at a very high level, thats why Riot is degrading Valorant to cut cost, but a better solution is to bring in 3rd party TOs to manage some events
i was not responding to you originally here mf. I was responding to someone else and what you said throughout this thread does not relate to that at all
Daniveus [#62]I used the words "hype", and "like to watch" just in my first post. In the second, I explicitly say "entertainment value".
What did you think I was talking about seriously?
i took your first sentence at face value like any reasonable person would.....
Psion [#65]i took your first sentence at face value like any reasonable person would.....
Did you know that of 10 people who read a headline, only 2 will read the rest of the content?
Btw, this is the stupidest discussion I've ever had and I just want to sleep now
Sorry if I was too aggressive, I try to be nice all the time :)
loloscum [#63]I used to watch cs esports from 2016 to around 2020 but i dont know i just find it so boring since then, i find the game (pro scene) to be too repetitive, same plays, same defaults, the same old players moving around rosters..
I find val way, way more entertaining for obvious reasons such as too much different stuff can happen, kills feel satisfying and underdog teams can upset. And thats me, a player with over 7k hours on cs saying this and i have around 300-400 hours in val.Last major got 1.5M as a record, sen vs loud a regional match got to 830k almost beating that.. I dont know, val scene seems to be doing ok. Not to mention theres also the asian scene (particularly chinese scene) who get so, SO many viewers it wouldnt be crazy to say chinese viewership beats any cs s tier event alone.
Cs nowadays its like a EU regional event, its only europeans playing against each other and no other region comes even close to them, nothing wrong i just think its way too boring and one of the reasons i could see cs esports dying, because countries such as Brazil, Eua or LATAM in general do not have >>good<< team representing them, i know they still got teams like furia, col or nrg but you get what i mean, teams that will win S-tier events.
I dont think CS plays are same at all, otherwise people would have found counters and be the best already, To me, CS and Valorant macros are pretty much the same, most pros confirmed that. Only the micros makes it different such as Jett dash, KJ turret, etc. CS is also imo more unpredictable and more punishing since you can flank a lot more often (Valorant way less with eg. cypher trips) and you cant bail yourself out (Jett dashes, Sage revives). I prefer CS battles because when opponents kill me, I feel they are better than me, but in Valorant, I feel more times its a lucky play and you cant save yourself from bad teammates by having your own smokes, flashes, mollies like in CS.
For Chinese viewership, I frequently check Douyu and Huya, the Chinese equivalent of Twitch. Surprisingly, both CS and Valorant viewership is about the same. Dank1ng is a very popular CS streamer getting around 3-4 million heat (theres no viewer stats). I checked in both the Asia RMRs and Chinese Kickoff, and the RMR had a million higher heat. So, even though Valorant is getting popular, they have different communities, so the numbers are still high for people who enjoy CS.
With the 800k viewership, that is pretty impressive. However, since it was Loud vs SEN, it was pretty much an ORG clout match, so numbers may be a bit inflated for other matches.
CS esports will probably never die. People been saying that since 1999, but guess what, it still hasnt died. EU may be the dominant region right now, but other regions are coming back slowly again, NA orgs are coming back and talent is growing to recover the original tier2 NA pros that went to Valorant. KRU just entered CS with their Argentinian roster. Asia scene is growing too, the Mongolz a Mongolian team can challenge tier1 teams and a Chinese team Lynn Vision made the major. The Chinese scene have many you g talent but just needs to find a good leadership and their scene will be thriving. So for me, I enjoy watching CS more because of the underdog story for NA to beat EU teams, I find that much more interesting. Especially when teams have a big era like 2019 Liquid before, it keeps me in tune to see which tram will spark a light again and change the scene again.
Daniveus [#66]Did you know that of 10 people who read a headline, only 2 will read the rest of the content?
Btw, this is the stupidest discussion I've ever had and I just want to sleep now
Sorry if I was too aggressive, I try to be nice all the time :)
bro its vlr you are forced to take every sentence literally to get anywhere in discussions with people(as such you not expecting me to do that is weird lmao), so i always do that even when not necessary(with reasonable people)
ps. sleep well dude
Psion [#64]i was not responding to you originally here mf. I was responding to someone else and what you said throughout this thread does not relate to that at all
So you are wrong ok
IAmRichYouAreNot [#69]So you are wrong ok
i am not wrong in the slightest you are equating my totally different point to your original point lmfao
Psion [#71]i am not wrong in the slightest you are equating my totally different point to your original point lmfao
You literally said “ league is the biggest esport and riot runs everything.... If valve ran everything related to CS it would be way worse than riot to league or valorant” and I said Valve allows CS to be runned by 3rd party TOs and are not greedy to degrade Valorant like Riot did to cut costs. Dont be an idiot.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#73]You literally said “ league is the biggest esport and riot runs everything.... If valve ran everything related to CS it would be way worse than riot to league or valorant” and I said Valve allows CS to be runned by 3rd party TOs and are not greedy to degrade Valorant like Riot did to cut costs. Dont be an idiot.
yes, this was me referring to that riot is better at directly managing an esport than valve is. direct control. you completely missed my point lmfao. i am not talking about cutting costs or any of that other shit, stop bringing it up in this thread.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#5]For now, what about long term? NA/Asia can come back, they just need a spark again, just like what happened in the beginning of CSGO. Theres already sign of that with the Mongolz and coL still doing decent in tier1 with talents slowly building up again when Valorant yoinked all the tier2 NA talent
what make u think NA/Asia CS can comeback?? They literally only give America and Asia 5+2 slot for major
Psion [#74]yes, this was me referring to that riot is better at directly managing an esport than valve is. direct control. you completely missed my point lmfao. i am not talking about cutting costs or any of that other shit, stop bringing it up in this thread.
“ riot is better at directly managing an esport than valve is,” with Valorant yea fucking right buddy. I only brought up cutting cost and less tournament because it is directly related to the reasons why Valorant esports may be at risk. This is literally the whole point if the thread. 3rd party Tos will fix Valorants lack of tournaments but keep ignoring this.
its not franchising thats the problem, its not having enough 3rd party tournaments, literally an off season thats like half a year is fking weird with a handful of off season tournaments that are only for invited teams. i envy cs2 and dota2 where teams just play open qualifiers for different tournaments with just a week in between. imagine supporting a franchised team and them losing a couple of matches and then waiting months to see them play again.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#76]“ riot is better at directly managing an esport than valve is,” with Valorant yea fucking right buddy. I only brought up cutting cost and less tournament because it is directly related to the reasons why Valorant esports may be at risk. This is literally the whole point if the thread. 3rd party Tos will fix Valorants lack of tournaments but keep ignoring this.
sure it was the whole point YOU made the thread. I once again wasn't replying to you.
ploplop [#75]what make u think NA/Asia CS can comeback?? They literally only give America and Asia 5+2 slot for major
All based on qualifications. If you make it, you get more spots. If the scene suddenly gets good like BR during the LG/SK era, you get a lot of spots. You do the math
IAmRichYouAreNot [#5]For now, what about long term? NA/Asia can come back, they just need a spark again, just like what happened in the beginning of CSGO. Theres already sign of that with the Mongolz and coL still doing decent in tier1 with talents slowly building up again when Valorant yoinked all the tier2 NA talent
what make u think NA/Asia CS can comeback?? They literally only give America and Asia 5+2 slot for major
Psion [#78]sure it was the whole point YOU made the thread. I once again wasn't replying to you.
When I see a dumb take like yours with Riot being good at handling esports with Valorant which everyone hate across the internet, I have to reply, doesnt matter if YOU werent replying to me, IM replying to you.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#81]When I see a dumb take like yours with Riot being good at handling esports with Valorant which everyone hate across the internet, I have to reply, doesnt matter if YOU werent replying to me, IM replying to you.
"everyone hate across the internet"
improper grammar and also false lmao, their system is not universally hated you are just delusional
edit: idek why you think i said you can't reply to me, you are just bringing up shit from elsewhere that doesnt relate at all to the origins of the specific reply i made
Psion [#82]"everyone hate across the internet"
improper grammar and also false lmao, their system is not universally hated you are just delusional
edit: idek why you think i said you can't reply to me, you are just bringing up shit from elsewhere that doesnt relate at all to the origins of the specific reply i made
wow so you are also a petty little child that can't defend your stupid point and rely to point out a little grammar mistake I made. I'm delusional for people hating on how Valorant is being handled by Riot, bitch everyone hates it on twitter and on this forum calling me delusional for this is crazy. I don't know how your original reply "saying riot is better than valve at esports is not cap, but its also irrelevant since valve lets 3rd parties manage tournaments" is not related to what I said all over this thread, but maybe you are mentally challenged to interpret it.
firo [#77]its not franchising thats the problem, its not having enough 3rd party tournaments, literally an off season thats like half a year is fking weird with a handful of off season tournaments that are only for invited teams. i envy cs2 and dota2 where teams just play open qualifiers for different tournaments with just a week in between. imagine supporting a franchised team and them losing a couple of matches and then waiting months to see them play again.
Franchising has no place in Valorant, doesnt make sense and ruins the competitive integrity of the esport. I would say let Riot be the main organizer for Champions, and let the 3rd party TOs handle Masters and other tournaments. Literally the perfect format and win win, but Riot is too greedy to let such a good thing happen
IAmRichYouAreNot [#83]wow so you are also a petty little child that can't defend your stupid point and rely to point out a little grammar mistake I made. I'm delusional for people hating on how Valorant is being handled by Riot, bitch everyone hates it on twitter and on this forum calling me delusional for this is crazy. I don't know how your original reply "saying riot is better than valve at esports is not cap, but its also irrelevant since valve lets 3rd parties manage tournaments" is not related to what I said all over this thread, but maybe you are mentally challenged to interpret it.
its not related to what you said in this thread because IT WAS NOT A REPLY TO YOU. it was completely unrelated to the vulnerability of valorant esports. it was a 1:1 over direct control. i made the grammar mistake purely to see what your response was, depending on your response i'll get the answer of whether it is worth continuing this lmao(it does not relate to the point either of us are making or attempting to make). it is delusional to think EVERYONE hates something, and you thinking otherwise is crazy
Psion [#85]its not related to what you said in this thread because IT WAS NOT A REPLY TO YOU. it was completely unrelated to the vulnerability of valorant esports. it was a 1:1 over direct control. i made the grammar mistake purely to see what your response was, depending on your response i'll get the answer of whether it is worth continuing this lmao(it does not relate to the point either of us are making or attempting to make). it is delusional to think EVERYONE hates something, and you thinking otherwise is crazy
who tf cares about direct control, what even is your point there? 3rd party TOs are good for esports, are you trying to say that is bad?
IAmRichYouAreNot [#54]Your goat DanK1ng will save it
danking joining a valorant pro team is more plausible than him joining a cs pro team, let's be fr
Valorant year 1 franchising wasn't as big of a mess as everyone thought it was going to be. This year isn't going to be good with the huge off season again but hopefully, from year 3 onwards, the franchising thing will start to work and make sense. If Val esports was set up for failure, that would be reflected in viewership but instead the viewership is steadily increasing (especially APAC/China).
On the other hand, Valve fucked up with CS2 and that comes from someone who has been playing CS since 2014 (faceit lvl 10, peak was about 2350 elo). The game launched bad, had bad reception, pros complained and now (for me and other people here have also mentioned this) CS doesn't feel as exciting. The big pros are all losing out on making majors, its only really EU that challenges at the majors, there's no crazy storylines. The only games don't feel hype anymore and now I only watch Team Spirit games because they have the only real talent that is playing wildly different which is fun to watch. But that is probably just me finally losing my spark for CS.
I don't want to see either game die out and it doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon, but I also feel like CS has peaked already and won't reach those numbers again while Valorant still hasn't peaked and could continue on to be bigger than what it is today in terms of esports.
IAmRichYouAreNot [#79]All based on qualifications. If you make it, you get more spots. If the scene suddenly gets good like BR during the LG/SK era, you get a lot of spots. You do the math
Nope asia will be never grow if they not promoting anything (for CS)
I can give u example outside pro
U can see vtuber tournament things they only play overwatch, val, apex and lol.
Overwatch already make a move with make a song with KPop and collabing with cowboy bebop.
I don't want explain about val and lol because u can search itself as long u watch other language streamer and most popular streamer (it's most easy to search rather overwatch).
Don't get me wrong why I mentioning vtuber, all i say just about grass root things, if they never fix the grass root they will never be fixed.
Also delete that permanent partner team WTF was that
IAmRichYouAreNot [#79]All based on qualifications. If you make it, you get more spots. If the scene suddenly gets good like BR during the LG/SK era, you get a lot of spots. You do the math
The most I respected about tournament vtuber they also invited the pro player and coach (that not in tournament or fail in qualifier) to make the vtuber learn how about tactic and stuff, that's why the scene will be alive long if circle always happen
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#16]any decent player will play on faceit, ive actually seen more cheaters in valorant than on faceit actually. soon there will be a new anti cheat for mm and this bullshit will be in the past.
The only content creation videos people make of it now is just crate gambling and hack installation tutorials.
you dont watch cs content.
Nope
U can still see cheater in asia even with faceit
IAmRichYouAreNot [#7]Bait used to be believable
Well if u not believe just go asia to learn fuck CS right now even with faceit
Manaphy [#94]I think val can surpass CS because every region has a realistic shot at winning and being relevant (outside of OCE but even now they just got their first international representative) and If for whatever reason Riot decides to go back to open circuit I don't think it will be close.
Leo already said it's will be much like football system (the league system)
So there's no circuit point
simo98 [#91]Nope
U can still see cheater in asia even with faceit
no one cares about asian servers on cs bro. in EU theres less cheaters than val 100%
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#96]no one cares about asian servers on cs bro. in EU theres less cheaters than val 100%
Then good luck with ur game bro
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#96]no one cares about asian servers on cs bro. in EU theres less cheaters than val 100%
I Hope ur game not dead and make some update ;)
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#96]no one cares about asian servers on cs bro. in EU theres less cheaters than val 100%
Bro if valve doesn't care about the biggest population in the world how is CS supposed to grow as a esport?
simo98 [#98]I Hope ur game not dead and make some update ;)
theres weekly updates, you dont even know what youre talking about.
Manaphy [#99]Bro if valve doesn't care about the biggest population in the world how is CS supposed to grow as a esport?
bro cs is just not popular there. unlucky
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#100]theres weekly updates, you dont even know what youre talking about.
I know the update the kukri one right
LLMAOOOOOOOOO
OH THE BULLET THINGS ALSOOOO
LMAO WHAT A NICE UPDATE
simo98 [#102]I know the update the kukri one right
LLMAOOOOOOOOO
OH THE BULLET THINGS ALSOOOO
LMAO WHAT A NICE UPDATE
bro just say you dont know anything about cs and you hate it and move on pls.
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#101]bro cs is just not popular there. unlucky
That the most stupid things I've ever seen
In my entire live.
CSGO not popular in there
HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#103]bro just say you dont know anything about cs and you hate it and move on pls.
BRO THIS IS VALORANT FORUM WHAT DO YOU MEAN
simo98 [#104]That the most stupid things I've ever seen
In my entire live.
CSGO not popular in there
HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
holy fuck youre braindead, stop replying to me.
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#103]bro just say you dont know anything about cs and you hate it and move on pls.
Also IM ABSOLUTELY HATE CS RIGHT NOW
CSGO IS THE ONE OF MY FAVORITE WATCH AND PLAY AND I ALMOST GOT INTO PRO AND VALVE JUST GIVE UP MY REGION LIKE THAT, LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
MneMaloMaloMaloTebya [#106]holy fuck youre braindead, stop replying to me.
Why not
U want me to make another account for hltv to bring u back to ur forum ?????
Daniveus [#48]cricket is also bigger than american football...
more views != more entertaining
I’m sure Indians find cricket more entertaining. People have different opinion on the definition of entertaining, but viewership is solid facts. So I’d say League is more entertaining because more people choose to watch League rather than CS.
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