What does swiss stage mean? and does someone have any idea when the brackets will be posted?
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moshimoshiman24 [#2]swiss stage basically means teams face each other. after round 1 1-0 teams face 0-1 teams face. next round 2-0 face 1-1 face...etc i think u get it now
okay i see and someone who loses 2 times is disqualified?
swiss is a tournament format in which teams only play other teams that have the same record as them
what this mean is after the first match teams are divided into team that are 1-0 and teams that are 0-1 this will continue until teams reach the set number of wins at which point they will advance. If a team hits the set number of losses they get elimed
ArtemisZ083 [#3]okay i see and someone who loses 2 times is disqualified?
Someone who loses 3 times is eliminated. Honestly hope swiss gets adopted at other tournaments, its a goated format.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#4]swiss is a tournament format in which teams only play other teams that have the same record as them
what this mean is after the first match teams are divided into team that are 1-0 and teams that are 0-1 this will continue until teams reach the set number of wins at which point they will advance. If a team hits the set number of losses they get elimed
Thanks i get it now
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#4]swiss is a tournament format in which teams only play other teams that have the same record as them
what this mean is after the first match teams are divided into team that are 1-0 and teams that are 0-1 this will continue until teams reach the set number of wins at which point they will advance. If a team hits the set number of losses they get elimed
It is the most fair way of seeding a bracket that can be realistically implemented. However, it always results in more games meaning devs like riot dont use it because it would just take too long
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#8]It is the most fair way of seeding a bracket that can be realistically implemented. However, it always results in more games meaning devs like riot dont use it because it would just take too long
But they are using it for masters madrid tho
grenji [#6]Someone who loses 3 times is eliminated. Honestly hope swiss gets adopted at other tournaments, its a goated format.
nah its a terrible format. just in cs liquid and complexity r facing each other in win or go home granted its bc non updated valve rankings. But in league this year KT got fk bc they literally only faced korean and chinese teams while nrg only beat eu and na teams to get into playoffs
ArtemisZ083 [#7]Thanks i get it now
I will add that with 8 teams it wont actually work correctly i forget where exactly it will happen but at some point teams with different records will need to play each other because we simply wont have enough teams but more teams = more time so oh well
ArtemisZ083 [#9]But they are using it for masters madrid tho
yeah for the 8 team tournament they wont use it in shang hai or champs prob
moshimoshiman24 [#10]nah its a terrible format. just in cs liquid and complexity r facing each other in win or go home granted its bc non updated valve rankings. But in league this year KT got fk bc they literally only faced korean and chinese teams while nrg only beat eu and na teams to get into playoffs
You literally just explained why the American RMR is bad. Valve is using outdated rankings, has nothing to do with swiss.
As for worlds, theres always a comically weak group anyways. If Valorant adopts swiss, it would be better at getting the best teams into playoffs than whatever the fuck group b from Champs 2023 was.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#12]yeah for the 8 team tournament they wont use it in shang hai or champs prob
Okay thanks bro
grenji [#13]You literally just explained why the American RMR is bad. Valve is using outdated rankings, has nothing to do with swiss.
As for worlds, theres always a comically weak group anyways. If Valorant adopts swiss, it would be better at getting the best teams into playoffs than whatever the fuck group b from Champs 2023 was.
worlds wasnt group based it was swiss stage live draw
moshimoshiman24 [#10]nah its a terrible format. just in cs liquid and complexity r facing each other in win or go home granted its bc non updated valve rankings. But in league this year KT got fk bc they literally only faced korean and chinese teams while nrg only beat eu and na teams to get into playoffs
thats just how seeding works sometimes dude hate to break it to ya but that can happen in literally any format just look at optic in 2022 1 emea win 2 international finals appearances
grenji [#13]You literally just explained why the American RMR is bad. Valve is using outdated rankings, has nothing to do with swiss.
As for worlds, theres always a comically weak group anyways. If Valorant adopts swiss, it would be better at getting the best teams into playoffs than whatever the fuck group b from Champs 2023 was.
you realize it will never get adopted right? we'd be going from a 20 game group stage to an over 30 game swiss stage they simply dont have the time for this is we arent simulcasting games
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#16]thats just how seeding works sometimes dude hate to break it to ya but that can happen in literally any format just look at optic in 2022 1 emea win 2 international finals appearances
this was who KT faced at worlds. first game lose to blg, second game beat damwon, third game beat weibo, 4th game lose bo3 qualification to lng, 5th game beat damwon in bo3 in win or go home match, now in playoffs get rewarded with jdg yea gg
heres was NRG first game destroyed by weibo, second game beat liquid , third game beat mad lions, fourth game beat g2 in bo3 to qualify, playoff time get destroyed by weibo 3-0
moshimoshiman24 [#18]this was who KT faced at worlds. first game lose to blg, second game beat damwon, third game beat weibo, 4th game lose bo3 qualification to lng, 5th game beat damwon in bo3 in win or go home match, now in playoffs get rewarded with jdg yea gg
heres was NRG first game destroyed by weibo, second game beat liquid , third game beat mad lions, fourth game beat g2 in bo3 to qualify, playoff time get destroyed by weibo 3-0
what do you want me to tell you this is literally just how random seeding works it quite literally has nothing to do with the format of swiss
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#19]what do you want me to tell you this is literally just how random seeding works it quite literally has nothing to do with the format of swiss
thats the literal reason y swiss sucks bc its pure rng for determining matchups
moshimoshiman24 [#20]thats the literal reason y swiss sucks bc its pure rng for determining matchups
well no what you are describing is random seeding. you can have swiss without random seeding. you're just dumb...
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#21]well no what you are describing is random seeding. you can have swiss without random seeding. you're just dumb...
they only do seeding for cs. league did live drawing. pretty sure val will just copy league bc its riot and its impossible to rank the teams
moshimoshiman24 [#23]they only do seeding for cs. league did live drawing. pretty sure val will just copy league bc its riot and its impossible to rank the teams
which has nothing to do with swiss... idk what to tell you dude you're pissed at swiss but they've been doing random seeding since 2021 the matchups have been rng since 2021 you just see something new and become old guy yelling at clouds
Madarox [#22]Does kc edg sen and geng get any advantage or it's equal for everyone?
I think its equal, those who won the grand final in their groups will play the grand final winner of other group, so no advantage
Madarox [#22]Does kc edg sen and geng get any advantage or it's equal for everyone?
if it isnt random seeding then they will get an easier first match. If it is random seeding then the GF of kickoff was entirely pointless for all teams
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#24]which has nothing to do with swiss... idk what to tell you dude you're pissed at swiss but they've been doing random seeding since 2021 the matchups have been rng since 2021 you just see something new and become old guy yelling at clouds
ok buddy tell me how its fair to KT to only face korean and chinese teams when its based on live draw
moshimoshiman24 [#27]ok buddy tell me how its fair to KT to only face korean and chinese teams when its based on live draw
wait you really are just terminally stupid... live draw and random seeding are... the same thing... live draw just means the random seeding happens live............ are you ok? its quite literally random thats the point... idk what you want me to tell you but thats just how the statistics worked out riot wasnt conspiring to but KT against only korean and chinese teams... ive never witnessed this level of brain damage before
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#28]wait you really are just terminally stupid... live draw and random seeding are... the same thing... live draw just means the random seeding happens live............ are you ok? its quite literally random thats the point... idk what you want me to tell you but thats just how the statistics worked out riot wasnt conspiring to but KT against only korean and chinese teams... ive never witnessed this level of brain damage before
jeez buddy y u getting all toxic. but live draw isnt seeding. they literally live draw based on teams that win and lose. now tell me if u were a team like lets say sen u lose your first match then u face loud again for win or go home when heretics r facing fpx, would u b happy
moshimoshiman24 [#29]jeez buddy y u getting all toxic. but live draw isnt seeding. they literally live draw based on teams that win and lose. now tell me if u were a team like lets say sen u lose your first match then u face loud again for win or go home when heretics r facing fpx, would u b happy
................... you're lost
grenji [#6]Someone who loses 3 times is eliminated. Honestly hope swiss gets adopted at other tournaments, its a goated format.
8 teams only so 2 wins or 2 losses, whichever comes first
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#30]................... you're lost
ok buddy imagine having to b toxic bc u ran out of logical reasoning
moshimoshiman24 [#32]ok buddy imagine having to b toxic bc u ran out of logical reasoning
i didnt run out of logical reasoning you're just dumb. live draws are literally just random seeding that happens live. idk what planet you had to be born on to be this dumb but im not going to waste my time trying to explain why you're wrong when u literally replied to me with what essentially amounts to "live random seeding isnt random seeding its based on teams that win and lose" like you need some help my dude you're mentally deficient. Live draw just means that the random seeding is done live. You are just dumb. All the winning/losing does is determine the group that you are in when seeding occurs.
I can believe someone this stupid really exists. Its literally impossible to argue with you because you don't understand even the most basic aspects of the format. I told you like 5 times already that all you have expressed an issue with is random seeding not swiss (the format that decides the groups). You have just replied saying the same thing like 4 different times now even after i explain why you're wrong.
get help.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#33]i didnt run out of logical reasoning you're just dumb. live draws are literally just random seeding that happens live. idk what planet you had to be born on to be this dumb but im not going to waste my time trying to explain why you're wrong when u literally replied to me with what essentially amounts to "live random seeding isnt random seeding its based on teams that win and lose" like you need some help my dude you're mentally deficient. Live draw just means that the random seeding is done live. You are just dumb. All the winning/losing does is determine the group that you are in when seeding occurs.
I can believe someone this stupid really exists. Its literally impossible to argue with you because you don't understand even the most basic aspects of the format. I told you like 5 times already that all you have expressed an issue with is random seeding not swiss (the format that decides the groups). You have just replied saying the same thing like 4 different times now even after i explain why you're wrong.
get help.
keep retorting to being toxic as reasoning imagine having that much anger on a forum
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#26]if it isnt random seeding then they will get an easier first match. If it is random seeding then the GF of kickoff was entirely pointless for all teams
not pointless for those that got first
i deeply apologize for that joke.
moshimoshiman24 [#34]keep retorting to being toxic as reasoning imagine having that much anger on a forum
having that much anger on a forum
oh no you seem to be mistaken im laughing at you
keep retorting to being toxic as reasoning
well no i told the reasoning like 5 times now you just ignored it and kept saying incorrect things despite me correcting you multiple times hence the mocking
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#36]having that much anger on a forum
oh no you seem to be mistaken im laughing at you
keep retorting to being toxic as reasoning
well no i told the reasoning like 5 times now you just ignored it and kept saying incorrect things despite me correcting you multiple times hence the mocking
imagine trying think being toxic is laughing ICANT.
moshimoshiman24 [#37]imagine trying think being toxic is laughing ICANT.
imagine trying think being toxic is laughing ICANT
wow you're just remarkable. never have i seen someone lacking the most basic levels of self awareness. Regardless it looks like you've now abandoned the original discussion because you realized how categorically wrong you were have a good day enjoy the feeling of being a dumbass.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#38]imagine trying think being toxic is laughing ICANT
wow you're just remarkable. never have i seen someone lacking the most basic levels of self awareness. Regardless it looks like you've now abandoned the original discussion because you realized how categorically wrong you were have a good day enjoy the feeling of being a dumbass.
ofc i left the og discussion after u became toxic buddy. y would i have a discussion with someone that stopped using their brain and more of their emotions. it useless and a waste of time.
moshimoshiman24 [#39]ofc i left the og discussion after u became toxic buddy. y would i have a discussion with someone that stopped using their brain and more of their emotions. it useless and a waste of time.
ofc i left the og discussion after u became toxic buddy. y would i have a discussion with someone that stopped using their brain and more of their emotions. it useless and a waste of time.
yeah i became toxic because you ignored my calm explanations multiple times... seems like this really rattled you tho. besides if you think #33 is not using my brain then i think you've shown just how dumb you really are... Regardless have fun knowing you're wrong I take this as you conceding the point :)
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#40]ofc i left the og discussion after u became toxic buddy. y would i have a discussion with someone that stopped using their brain and more of their emotions. it useless and a waste of time.
yeah i became toxic because you ignored my calm explanations multiple times... seems like this really rattled you tho. besides if you think #33 is not using my brain then i think you've shown just how dumb you really are... Regardless have fun knowing you're wrong I take this as you conceding the point :)
gg bro have and keep being toxic. u r just useless talking to. u aint changing my opinion
moshimoshiman24 [#37]imagine trying think being toxic is laughing ICANT.
Are you like 14 and dumb? Re-read what you wrote and read his response. You're not even computing what he's telling you. You're talking about a totally different thing that has nothing to do with Swiss-system tournament format. Google the types of tournament formats. Learn so you can grow. It's not even being toxic, he's trying to educate you although he could've used a little more tact and better words lmao.
moshimoshiman24 [#41]a
that's fine your opinion is predicated on fundamentally wrong facts, lack of an understanding of the basic meanings of words, and a complete lack of understanding of how tournament brackets work there's no convincing someone who is talking out of their ass. Good to see you concede though keep on runnin
jamONE [#43]Are you like 14 and dumb? Re-read what you wrote and read his response. You're not even computing what he's telling you. You're talking about a totally different thing that has nothing to do with Swiss-system tournament format. Google the types of tournament formats. Learn so you can grow. It's not even being toxic, he's trying to educate you although he could've used a little more tact and better words lmao.
no im definitely being toxic but yeah hes an idiot
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