can someone explain how the supaman pickup makes any sense? he last played in challengers ascension with faze and never had any substantial performances or crazy impact that would make him seem like a T1 player.
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BackoxyXD [#2]because supamen is cheap
anyone’s gonna take a low salary to be one of thirty players in franchise, still doesn’t make sense, especially after every orgs making paycuts considering the economy of valorant right now
Everyone made fun of EG back when they had ‘bad players’, but look what happened, they cooked and won champs with the GOAT potter. Looks like you guys are falling back into the trap of taking a team by face value.
Salaries may be less than other teams but they are still provably 8k which is very good.
GUTSval [#3]anyone’s gonna take a low salary to be one of thirty players in franchise, still doesn’t make sense, especially after every orgs making paycuts considering the economy of valorant right now
you also have to consider that eg is known to be an instable org and even if players will do everything to get into franchising, they might not want to go with eg because that could definitely screw them over in the future
underdog_Supporter [#4]Good. Let EG make bad decisions. (Nothing against supamen). Bad decisions = No EG next VCT = Flyquest = FNS super team.
I'm afraid that's not how it works. EG can't be kicked until the summer of 2026
1phnxe [#6]Everyone made fun of EG back when they had ‘bad players’, but look what happened, they cooked and won champs with the GOAT potter. Looks like you guys are falling back into the trap of taking a team by face value.
Salaries may be less than other teams but they are still provably 8k which is very good.
damn that sucks! i guess because a team improved once we cant criticize anyone anymore!
Mortadelo [#10]I'm afraid that's not how it works. EG can't be kicked until the summer of 2026
what would happen if they dissolve before then tho?
Mortadelo [#10]I'm afraid that's not how it works. EG can't be kicked until the summer of 2026
im pretty confident the contracts can be mutually terminated. EG very clearly want out of esports, if they mess up enough that Riot also wants them out and is able to find a fit replacement, there's probably nothing stopping them from both agreeing to terminate the contract and franchise the replacement org they found
Ballsamolee [#13]what would happen if they dissolve before then tho?
I suppose in that case Riot probably does have the right to replace them with someone else, but I don't think the information of how that would work is public. But I doubt the whole org dissolves, they'll cut expenses but I don't think completely disappear. Riot will probably have clauses to avoid it we just don't know which or how
greyza [#14]im pretty confident the contracts can be mutually terminated. EG very clearly want out of esports, if they mess up enough that Riot also wants them out and is able to find a fit replacement, there's probably nothing stopping them from both agreeing to terminate the contract and franchise the replacement org they found
Why in the world would EG want out of a league that guarantees them about a million dollars when they can make roster that cost less than that. But yeah I mean if they wanna disband Riot can't force them
Mortadelo [#15]I suppose in that case Riot probably does have the right to replace them with someone else, but I don't think the information of how that would work is public. But I doubt the whole org dissolves, they'll cut expenses but I don't think completely disappear. Riot will probably have clauses to avoid it we just don't know which or how
can’t riot and eg mutually terminate contracts? i wouldn’t be surprised if theyre looking for a replacement rn
Ballsamolee [#17]can’t riot and eg mutually terminate contracts? i wouldn’t be surprised if theyre looking for a replacement rn
They can, but why would EG wanna do that
Mortadelo [#16]Why in the world would EG want out of a league that guarantees them about a million dollars when they can make roster that cost less than that. But yeah I mean if they wanna disband Riot can't force them
I guess that's fair, but honestly any question starting with "why would EG" could just be answered with "because it's EG"
greyza [#19]I guess that's fair, but honestly any question starting with "why would EG" could just be answered with "because it's EG"
Fair enough
Mortadelo [#18]They can, but why would EG wanna do that
EG most likely has certain contractual obligations they have to fulfil as a result of receiving the stipend. Those obligations likely cost EG money and are hurting their bottom line, which could lead them to being insolvent. EG doesn't want to have to do that, so they would seek to exit the partnership league.
Tooker [#21]EG most likely has certain contractual obligations they have to fulfil as a result of receiving the stipend. Those obligations likely cost EG money and are hurting their bottom line, which could lead them to being insolvent. EG doesn't want to have to do that, so they would seek to exit the partnership league.
There is a minimum salary of something around 40/50k a year for players if I am not mistaken, a coach and someone to post stuff on social media. That's the minimum, other than that I believe teams get more money depending on other factors, but regardless, the minimum is easy to cover
Mortadelo [#22]There is a minimum salary of something around 40/50k a year for players if I am not mistaken, a coach and someone to post stuff on social media. That's the minimum, other than that I believe teams get more money depending on other factors, but regardless, the minimum is easy to cover
I'm speaking out of my ass here since I don't know the contracts, but I doubt that Riot has their contract set up in a way that if an org accepts the stipend, and then spends the bare minimum on salaries, and nothing else, they would be fine.
The likely have obligations that relate to promoting the sport. These could be things like driving social media engagement, creating merchandise, etc... stuff that will get people invested in the team, and as a result more invested in the VCT. Which is part of the reason Riot looked for orgs with large fan bases instead of new teams, even if those teams invested more in the early scene of Valorant.
Tooker [#23]I'm speaking out of my ass here since I don't know the contracts, but I doubt that Riot has their contract set up in a way that if an org accepts the stipend, and then spends the bare minimum on salaries, and nothing else, they would be fine.
The likely have obligations that relate to promoting the sport. These could be things like driving social media engagement, creating merchandise, etc... stuff that will get people invested in the team, and as a result more invested in the VCT. Which is part of the reason Riot looked for orgs with large fan bases instead of new teams, even if those teams invested more in the early scene of Valorant.
But how does a clause determine if a team is "trying to win" or not? There are minimum salaries, you can't kick someone out for paying them, it wouldn't be the minimum if it wasn't enough. Plus EG isn't the only org paying minimums
Mortadelo [#24]But how does a clause determine if a team is "trying to win" or not? There are minimum salaries, you can't kick someone out for paying them, it wouldn't be the minimum if it wasn't enough. Plus EG isn't the only org paying minimums
I never said anything about "trying to win." Riot doesn't care if KC sits in last place for eternity because KC brings fans and, in turn, money to the sport. You could take Cloud9 for example. Sure, they pay the org minimum, but they constantly try to create engagement on social media, create skits for their roster announcements, create merch, and compete in off-season tournaments.
Again, I don't know if these are things in the contract, but if I was writing it, I would include them. If not, you're just gonna have a bunch of teams join the league, receive the stipend, and then pay league minimum while pocketing the rest.
Also, you're assuming the players are the only ones being paid. Afaik, EG is only in valorant atm, which means that they still have to spend money on salaries of employees, executives, and any work that they contract, while collecting no revenue outside of investment, and who tf is investing in EG right now?
Tooker [#25]I never said anything about "trying to win." Riot doesn't care if KC sits in last place for eternity because KC brings fans and, in turn, money to the sport. You could take Cloud9 for example. Sure, they pay the org minimum, but they constantly try to create engagement on social media, create skits for their roster announcements, create merch, and compete in off-season tournaments.
Again, I don't know if these are things in the contract, but if I was writing it, I would include them. If not, you're just gonna have a bunch of teams join the league, receive the stipend, and then pay league minimum while pocketing the rest.
Also, you're assuming the players are the only ones being paid. Afaik, EG is only in valorant atm, which means that they still have to spend money on salaries of employees, executives, and any work that they contract, while collecting no revenue outside of investment, and who tf is investing in EG right now?
Well all I'm saying is they need to be objective things to measure an organization's value to franchising, and that is quite hard to do because I'm also sure orgs demanded guarantees. Ig we do not know and we won't any time soon either
Mortadelo [#10]I'm afraid that's not how it works. EG can't be kicked until the summer of 2026
I don't know how any of that works tbh. I just want FNS to build a team either in tier1/tier2 to see if he is the GOAT igl or not.
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