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ole_ [#3]if sentinels win a international tournament this year oh boy sideshow better delete that video
why? he gave actual good advice about what tenz was doing and it is evidence that the kaplan probably watched it and used some of his advice like putting tenz on controller and other small minute details.
Zerphyr1 [#6]why? he gave actual good advice about what tenz was doing and it is evidence that the kaplan probably watched it and used some of his advice like putting tenz on controller and other small minute details.
we all know people are gonna meme that video forever
moonemi [#5]fuck sideshow.
view and clout chasing fuck. he’s not a coach nor knows what’s behind team AND player decision making. talking out of his ass.
it’s not that serious
Zerphyr1 [#6]why? he gave actual good advice about what tenz was doing and it is evidence that the kaplan probably watched it and used some of his advice like putting tenz on controller and other small minute details.
because not only was that advice surface level, but the fact that he made a player analysis on specifically their weaknesses for only TenZ is kinda weird
cartixuzi [#12]because not only was that advice surface level, but the fact that he made a player analysis on specifically their weaknesses for only TenZ is kinda weird
He's the reason tenz is still in pro scene. Tenz watched his vid and actually followed the advices so he's actually kinda above average now
ole_ [#11]tenz career in pro play*
people really only watch tenz bc of his skill or bc of kydae. I don't know about you but he barely talks or reacts to anything when I watch his stream and just plays ranked and talks about mouses.
Once he stops competing his viewership will drop a lot but yes I meant his pro career not his streaming career.
moonemi [#5]fuck sideshow.
view and clout chasing fuck. he’s not a coach nor knows what’s behind team AND player decision making. talking out of his ass.
Chill. there were actual mistakes in 2023 that were shown, he wasnt just yapping
Also, who doesnt want views and clout?
cartixuzi [#12]because not only was that advice surface level, but the fact that he made a player analysis on specifically their weaknesses for only TenZ is kinda weird
He planned on doing other people and since Tenz is a popular figure he would do it on tenz.
If you were to make a video about someones performance that would be interesting would u do it on someone well known or someone less known?
Zerphyr1 [#14]people really only watch tenz bc of his skill or bc of kydae. I don't know about you but he barely talks or reacts to anything when I watch his stream and just plays ranked and talks about mouses.
Once he stops competing his viewership will drop a lot but yes I meant his pro career not his streaming career.
i doubt people even watch him cuz his a pro competing in vct
his viewers wont drop as long as his hitting clips
Zerphyr1 [#9]meme it for saving his career
You sure that a full time coach + assistant coach wouldn't have found the mistakes that a caster could?
AvgRossiFan [#15]Chill. there were actual mistakes in 2023 that were shown, he wasnt just yapping
Also, who doesnt want views and clout?
fns literally called out his ass on it.
for example, sideshow criticized a play by pancada and fns explained the thought processed behind that play as a pro player.
sideshow doesn’t understand the nuances behind every play, strat and he doesn’t have access to comms. idk why people are listening to to an analyst who’s not part of the team.
GaeHGae [#13]He's the reason tenz is still in pro scene. Tenz watched his vid and actually followed the advices so he's actually kinda above average now
Sideshow actually discovered Tenz starving in a indigenous hut 20 years ago who was pre-seemingly abandoned by his clan on the outskirts of Nunavut during an exhibition trip across Canada led by Drake, where they would then go on to discover the land that we know as Toronto as TenZ was nursed and cared for throughout their journey.
GaeHGae [#2]relax tenz fanboy it's just off season
I mean his video was not wrong but the jinx is crazy
moonemi [#19]fns literally called out his ass on it.
for example, sideshow criticized a play by pancada and fns explained the thought processed behind that play as a pro player.
sideshow doesn’t understand the nuances behind every play, strat and he doesn’t have access to comms. idk why people are listening to to an analyst who’s not part of the team.
FNS called out a single play in a 1.5hour video. Oh my the scandal! Chill. It's not that deep.
AvgRossiFan [#18]You sure that a full time coach + assistant coach wouldn't have found the mistakes that a caster could?
firstly he would be very busy focusing on building strategies for his team and for their opponents and trying to improve team moral and confidence and probably barely had any time to do individual analysis' on the SEN players.
They had already tried role swapping before but this did not work out well btw.
GaeHGae [#13]He's the reason tenz is still in pro scene. Tenz watched his vid and actually followed the advices so he's actually kinda above average now
delusional. i promise you sideshow is not that important.
moonemi [#19]fns literally called out his ass on it.
for example, sideshow criticized a play by pancada and fns explained the thought processed behind that play as a pro player.
sideshow doesn’t understand the nuances behind every play, strat and he doesn’t have access to comms. idk why people are listening to to an analyst who’s not part of the team.
i swear ppl give that guy way too much importance
Zerphyr1 [#16]He planned on doing other people and since Tenz is a popular figure he would do it on tenz.
If you were to make a video about someones performance that would be interesting would u do it on someone well known or someone less known?
no i dont think you can just assume he planned on doing it with other people considering he's never done smth like that before or after the TenZ vid. Plus there's a shit ton of Tier 1 pros out there that are also well known who've performed pretty badly this year, even worse then TenZ lol.
cartixuzi [#26]no i dont think you can just assume he planned on doing it with other people considering he's never done smth like that before or after the TenZ vid. Plus there's a shit ton of Tier 1 pros out there that are also well known who've performed pretty badly this year, even worse then TenZ lol.
Sen is the most popular team in valorant and tenz is THE most famous player for the most famous team. If sideshow made that vid on anyone else it would have gotten less views most likely and why would u willingly choose the option which gets less views
Zerphyr1 [#27]Sen is the most popular team in valorant and tenz is THE most famous player for the most famous team. If sideshow made that vid on anyone else it would have gotten less views most likely and why would u willingly choose the option which gets less views
you know what youre saying doesnt make it look any better right
Zerphyr1 [#23]firstly he would be very busy focusing on building strategies for his team and for their opponents and trying to improve team moral and confidence and probably barely had any time to do individual analysis' on the SEN players.
They had already tried role swapping before but this did not work out well btw.
pulling things out of ur ass, drewspark said they are already aware of the issues with the players on their team plus fns quite literally called out sideshow for criticizing without knowing actual things that go through a professional player's head and also coaches ALWAYS talk to players 1 on 1 and fix individual mistakes you have 0 idea a to what ur talking about
Zerphyr1 [#29]explain
you're boiling it down to "he made the video for views" and that vid is just him criticizing Tenz's gameplay for like an hour straight pointing out stuff that's again surface level (which is most likely on purpose for the sake of the audience). My guy doesn't just get a pass to do something like this because its TenZ when again there are other players in Tier 1 who are also popular that've been performing way worse this year (Asuna is one).
He's outing TenZ purely because of his following and nothing more and that's both petty and lowkey disrespectful no matter how you put it. It was a great vid at the time for sure, but knowing that he never did something like that again for other players is just weird. Just because its for content purposes doesn't mean it gets a pass.
Selex [#22]FNS called out a single play in a 1.5hour video. Oh my the scandal! Chill. It's not that deep.
the statement made by fns goes for everything sideshow was criticizing (you can make 1.5 hour long video on every single player in valorant critcizing them but it doesnt matter when the whole team is dogshit), only an actual coach/player would know the intangibles sideshow just yapping for the most part, tenz is a team player and always has been he will do what his team wants him to both in old sen and the new one
noxx [#30]pulling things out of ur ass, drewspark said they are already aware of the issues with the players on their team plus fns quite literally called out sideshow for criticizing without knowing actual things that go through a professional player's head and also coaches ALWAYS talk to players 1 on 1 and fix individual mistakes you have 0 idea a to what ur talking about
Drewspark legit said that they only tried to fix some of his issues towards the end of the season and said that they had 0 stability that season.
'Fns quite literally called out sideshow for criticising without knowing actual things that go through a professional player's head"
Nobody including the coach knows what is going on through a professional player's head apart from the player.
Like I said they tried to fix some of the issues but they just had no stability and had already undergone a bunch of changes already.
cartixuzi [#31]you're boiling it down to "he made the video for views" and that vid is just him criticizing Tenz's gameplay for like an hour straight pointing out stuff that's again surface level (which is most likely on purpose for the sake of the audience). My guy doesn't just get a pass to do something like this because its TenZ when again there are other players in Tier 1 who are also popular that've been performing way worse this year (Asuna is one).
He's outing TenZ purely because of his following and nothing more and that's both petty and lowkey disrespectful no matter how you put it. It was a great vid at the time for sure, but knowing that he never did something like that again for other players is just weird. Just because its for content purposes doesn't mean it gets a pass.
'you're boiling it down to "he made the video for views" and that vid is just him criticizing Tenz's gameplay for like an hour straight pointing out stuff that's again surface level (which is most likely on purpose for the sake of the audience). My guy doesn't just get a pass to do something like this because its TenZ when again there are other players in Tier 1 who are also popular that've been performing way worse this year (Asuna is one)."
If sideshow made a video on asuna instead you could simply use the same argument and ask why didn't he make one on tenz instead.
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"He's outing TenZ purely because of his following and nothing more and that's both petty and lowkey disrespectful no matter how you put it. It was a great vid at the time for sure, but knowing that he never did something like that again for other players is just weird. Just because its for content purposes doesn't mean it gets a pass."
He is not "outing" Tenz but he made a video highlighting issues with his gameplay for his audience to watch.
Zerphyr1 [#35]'you're boiling it down to "he made the video for views" and that vid is just him criticizing Tenz's gameplay for like an hour straight pointing out stuff that's again surface level (which is most likely on purpose for the sake of the audience). My guy doesn't just get a pass to do something like this because its TenZ when again there are other players in Tier 1 who are also popular that've been performing way worse this year (Asuna is one)."
If sideshow made a video on asuna instead you could simply use the same argument and ask why didn't he make one on tenz instead.
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"He's outing TenZ purely because of his following and nothing more and that's both petty and lowkey disrespectful no matter how you put it. It was a great vid at the time for sure, but knowing that he never did something like that again for other players is just weird. Just because its for content purposes doesn't mean it gets a pass."
He is not "outing" Tenz but he made a video highlighting issues with his gameplay for his audience to watch.
- yes I would, that's the point, and not "instead" but rather "also"
- yes, he's outing TenZ in the context that he's never made a critique video like this for any Val player before and never continued doing so after his 1st and only one.
cartixuzi [#36]
- yes I would, that's the point, and not "instead" but rather "also"
- yes, he's outing TenZ in the context that he's never made a critique video like this for any Val player before and never continued doing so after his 1st and only one.
"yes I would, that's the point, and not "instead" but rather "also"
So then you wouldn't be happy if sideshow made a video critiquing any player? This sounds a bit silly to me.
kimble [#33]i can assure you it is not that serious
I like to see chaos man. I don't even hate sideshow😂
Zerphyr1 [#38]"yes I would, that's the point, and not "instead" but rather "also"
So then you wouldn't be happy if sideshow made a video critiquing any player? This sounds a bit silly to me.
no dude what lmfao, im sayng if he made only one vid for Asuna then I would want to see someone else who's been performing badly be made for as well like TenZ for example
cartixuzi [#40]no dude what lmfao, im sayng if he made only one vid for Asuna then I would want to see someone else who's been performing badly be made for as well like TenZ for example
those videos would take tens of hours to make and since he got a lot of backlash from making the vid why would he make another one?
NOCAPPPA [#39]I like to see chaos man. I don't even hate sideshow😂
oh yea i meant to reply to someone else mb
Zerphyr1 [#41]those videos would take tens of hours to make and since he got a lot of backlash from making the vid why would he make another one?
but he hasn't received a lot of backlash though from the TenZ one, like barely at all really.
noxx [#32]the statement made by fns goes for everything sideshow was criticizing (you can make 1.5 hour long video on every single player in valorant critcizing them but it doesnt matter when the whole team is dogshit), only an actual coach/player would know the intangibles sideshow just yapping for the most part, tenz is a team player and always has been he will do what his team wants him to both in old sen and the new one
Being a team player doesn't mean you're immune to making mistakes. I'm sure there was nuances missed in some of the scenario's in sideshow's video. That doesn't mean everything he was commenting on can be hand-waved as "simply not understanding the context" of the situation. There were mistakes that tenz was making that were simply his own. Not everything is black and white but there are situations that are. And ultimately the conclusion he came to were;
- tenz switching off duelist
- focusing on supportive agents which fits his play-style
- looking to expand his agent pool
This is exactly what the team has opted to do of their own volition which makes it obvious that sideshow's assessment of tenz in the video was spot on. You wanna shit talk an analyst that literally pour tens of hours into watching and meticulously analyzing a player with constructive feedback. You're just talking out your ass, regurgitating bullshit you yourself don't understand. Pretending as if your concern is actually well meaning. You're just upset because your favorite player may have had his feelings hurt.
Selex [#44]Being a team player doesn't mean you're immune to making mistakes. I'm sure there was nuances missed in some of the scenario's in sideshow's video. That doesn't mean everything he was commenting on can be hand-waved as "simply not understanding the context" of the situation. There were mistakes that tenz was making that were simply his own. Not everything is black and white but there are situations that are. And ultimately the conclusion he came to were;
- tenz switching off duelist
- focusing on supportive agents which fits his play-style
- looking to expand his agent pool
This is exactly what the team has opted to do of their own volition which makes it obvious that sideshow's assessment of tenz in the video was spot on. You wanna shit talk an analyst that literally pour tens of hours into watching and meticulously analyzing a player with constructive feedback. You're just talking out your ass, regurgitating bullshit you yourself don't understand. Pretending as if your concern is actually well meaning. You're just upset because your favorite player may have had his feelings hurt.
all those points sideshow mentioned were already being done, so it was moreso a case of sideshow just stating the obvious interms of what was happening than providing actual useful tips. Sideshow has 0 idea what he is talking about.
noxx [#45]all those points sideshow mentioned were already being done, so it was moreso a case of sideshow just stating the obvious interms of what was happening than providing actual useful tips. Sideshow has 0 idea what he is talking about.
What you're saying is nonsense. The video isn't actually meant for tenz directly. It never was. It was for the community to give them an actual idea of what's going wrong with Tenz's play and what he can/should do to improve and find more success overall on his team(He says as much near the start of the video). It might be obvious to an analyst/coach but it is not to the majority of community since they lack the ability(or willingness) to actually watch games from an analytical scope.
And since he's stating the obvious, he clearly does know what he's talking about.
The only person who has no idea what he's talking about is you.
Selex [#46]What you're saying is nonsense. The video isn't actually meant for tenz directly. It never was. It was for the community to give them an actual idea of what's going wrong with Tenz's play and what he can/should do to improve and find more success overall on his team(He says as much near the start of the video). It might be obvious to an analyst/coach but it is not to the majority of community since they lack the ability(or willingness) to actually watch games from an analytical scope.
And since he's stating the obvious, he clearly does know what he's talking about.
The only person who has no idea what he's talking about is you.
thats the stupidest shit ive ever read lmfaoo, that video was very obviously meant for tenz (and obviously for the community coz it was posted on yt), he even said that he hoped tenz would watch it
seems to me u cant even understand that so u clearly have 0 idea what ur talking about, sideshow has never been in a professional setting before, theres barely any difference between him and ur average valorant analyzer meanwhile people like fns clearly know what they are talking about whereas u have no idea what ur talking about it seems
noxx [#47]thats the stupidest shit ive ever read lmfaoo, that video was very obviously meant for tenz (and obviously for the community coz it was posted on yt), he even said that he hoped tenz would watch it
seems to me u cant even understand that so u clearly have 0 idea what ur talking about, sideshow has never been in a professional setting before, theres barely any difference between him and ur average valorant analyzer meanwhile people like fns clearly know what they are talking about whereas u have no idea what ur talking about it seems
Sideshow was professionally casting overwatch for years before he moved over to valorant, which he has also now dedicated countless hours to watching and studying. The fact that you actually believe "theres barely any difference between him and ur average valorant analyzer" tells me and anyone who's chosen to read this exchange just how fucking stupid you are.
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