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ionlyHave1Zuni [#2]Trash comps lol just run defaults
Were playing default asc and haven just with astra bc our smokes is better on her
Afaik theres not a default breeze or sunset yet
lielahh [#9]Wtf We are gc team I wanted serious criticism also 🤩
really hard to give serious criticsm without watching any vods of your team
Liem [#10]really hard to give serious criticsm without watching any vods of your team
i have vods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
Liem [#10]really hard to give serious criticsm without watching any vods of your team
be a real vlr users and make random assumptions based on nothing
lielahh [#11]i have vods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
theres more but theyre against spagcatti who we stomped and i alr vod reviewed our haven t
lielahh [#5]Were playing default asc and haven just with astra bc our smokes is better on her
Afaik theres not a default breeze or sunset yet
Tell ur senti to hit some aimlabs
Ascent - Astra... Astra isnt really meta unless its double smokes ( Her smokes last the shortest in the game ) and she Requires ALOT of team cordnation shes somewhat viable on havent but Ascent omen just owns that map ( One ways, Blind and TP )
Breeze - Sage.... Just not meta AT ALL, and never will be. rather take her out and replace with a 2nd Initatior ( Either Sova or Kayo or if you just want to use a sentinel keep cypher sage just isnt meta for that, map is still too big )
AnnaFineChyyna - Idk if They are just lacking behind you guys but if so look for less opportunitys for them and maybe need to hold someones hand ( Not saying that in a disrespectful way but theyre obvisuly a weak point on your team that could possibly get exploited )
All i could tell from maps and stats <3
Shawn23 [#16]Ascent - Astra... Astra isnt really meta unless its double smokes ( Her smokes last the shortest in the game ) and she Requires ALOT of team cordnation shes somewhat viable on havent but Ascent omen just owns that map ( One ways, Blind and TP )
Breeze - Sage.... Just not meta AT ALL, and never will be. rather take her out and replace with a 2nd Initatior ( Either Sova or Kayo or if you just want to use a sentinel keep cypher sage just isnt meta for that, map is still too big )
AnnaFineChyyna - Idk if They are just lacking behind you guys but if so look for less opportunitys for them and maybe need to hold someones hand ( Not saying that in a disrespectful way but theyre obvisuly a weak point on your team that could possibly get exploited )
All i could tell from maps and stats <3
We had cypher planned and in agent select our senti asked to swap..
In terms of ranks:
me: g2
anna fine chynna: g3
reach: p3
trash: asc3
ying: d1
teams we played against:
sync up: a1, a3, a3, p3, imm1
aurora ascend: a1, a1, a1, d1, imm1 (i think)
spagcatti: level3, dia, dia, gold, gold
In terms of anna idk it’s better to be able to play the tournament than not get 5
Astra on Haven/Asc
We scrimmed Asc with omen, played some games with it. Our smoker is an astra player like me and was much more reactive and consistent smoking on Astra so we called to play her on both maps. We haven’t leaked comps for Split/Lotus but they’re a bit different (we’ll prob play one of them tonight, idk if the games are going on vlr gg its a bit cooked)
Other than that it’s just synergy. All 5 of us only played together as a 5 for the first time on game day. We just have to stick as a 3-4 core and get more exp, our ranks dont represent our skill I’d say.
also a specific User named conut v2………. My goat…….
lielahh [#17]We had cypher planned and in agent select our senti asked to swap..
In terms of ranks:
me: g2
anna fine chynna: g3
reach: p3
trash: asc3
ying: d1teams we played against:
sync up: a1, a3, a3, p3, imm1
aurora ascend: a1, a1, a1, d1, imm1 (i think)
spagcatti: level3, dia, dia, gold, goldIn terms of anna idk it’s better to be able to play the tournament than not get 5
Astra on Haven/Asc
We scrimmed Asc with omen, played some games with it. Our smoker is an astra player like me and was much more reactive and consistent smoking on Astra so we called to play her on both maps. We haven’t leaked comps for Split/Lotus but they’re a bit different (we’ll prob play one of them tonight, idk if the games are going on vlr gg its a bit cooked)
Other than that it’s just synergy. All 5 of us only played together as a 5 for the first time on game day. We just have to stick as a 3-4 core and get more exp, our ranks dont represent our skill I’d say.
also a specific User named conut v2………. My goat…….
out of all the agents sage ? idk.... just not it. on breeze.
Shawn23 [#18]out of all the agents sage ? idk.... just not it. on breeze.
i know she didnt use slows until ct round 11 !
LFTshahzam [#19]-reach
-lieleah
-annafinechynna
-ying
-trash+shahzam
+shahzam
+shahzam
+shahzam
+shahzam
shahz would do worse than us in oce game changers even if he transitioned
(im just lying)
LFTshahzam [#24]this is crazy
i fully believe we win that map if anna uses slows, same as asc we win it evne if she goes double neg
if we win the series we also go upper bracket..
lielahh [#25]i fully believe we win that map if anna uses slows, same as asc we win it evne if she goes double neg
if we win the series we also go upper bracket..
would yall use an oshawott flair for scallop united if vlr gave us a flair
Shawn23 [#16]Ascent - Astra... Astra isnt really meta unless its double smokes ( Her smokes last the shortest in the game ) and she Requires ALOT of team cordnation shes somewhat viable on havent but Ascent omen just owns that map ( One ways, Blind and TP )
Breeze - Sage.... Just not meta AT ALL, and never will be. rather take her out and replace with a 2nd Initatior ( Either Sova or Kayo or if you just want to use a sentinel keep cypher sage just isnt meta for that, map is still too big )
AnnaFineChyyna - Idk if They are just lacking behind you guys but if so look for less opportunitys for them and maybe need to hold someones hand ( Not saying that in a disrespectful way but theyre obvisuly a weak point on your team that could possibly get exploited )
All i could tell from maps and stats <3
Bumping for edit
Conut [#27]The problem is that they arent good
We’re actually pretty good in terms of rank, synergy, etc. Breeze was the first map of breeze we’d played as a 5.
lielahh [#29]We’re actually pretty good in terms of rank, synergy, etc. Breeze was the first map of breeze we’d played as a 5.
Ur a budding duelist goat
lielahh [#28]Bumping for edit
wait how is your asc3 preforming worse than golds bruh... thats a whole 2 ranks above ur peak
LFTshahzam [#31]wait how is your asc3 preforming worse than golds bruh... thats a whole 2 ranks above ur peak
She had an off game on Breeze
Liem [#34]why do you have mexican albanian and hongkong players 🤣
Anna lives in NZ w Mexican heritage i believe
(reach) just wanted Albania
Ying is from or has family from hong kong
donut2612 [#44]where do u even find tournaments
I saw this one on twitter but theyre a rarity
If ur not a man I wouldnt mind a new senti after this tourney
LFTshahzam [#19]-reach
-lieleah
-annafinechynna
-ying
-trash+shahzam
+shahzam
+shahzam
+shahzam
+shahzam
shazam 🏆 win
lielahh [#41]Can u vod review us so I can delete it n stop leaking 🤩
you can delete. i copied link and will watch it tomorrow if i have time
lielahh [#35]Anna lives in NZ w Mexican heritage i believe
(reach) just wanted Albania
Ying is from or has family from hong kong
no way you can just choose. if i ever have a vlr profile im gonna go with north korea flag
Liem [#54]no way you can just choose. if i ever have a vlr profile im gonna go with north korea flag
you just make a ticket with vlr.gg and ask for a flag. i think they take it pretty leniently, i just went with aus because im a Proud Australian Patriot🤩🤩🤩
Congregated data over the 3 matches:
Ying - Controller:
249 acs
1.26 rating
109-83-37
14 OP attempts
Trash - Primary Initiator:
229 acs
1.12 rating
96-80-47
17 OP attempts
Lielahh - Secondary Initiator (+flex):
246 ACS
0.97 rating
102-103-36
45 OP attempts
Reach - Duelist:
204 acs
0.94 rating
84-94-20
38 OP attempts
Annafinechyyna - Sentinel:
114 acs
0.72 rating
46-82-17
11 OP attempts
What I can gain from this information:
ying needs to be a bit more aggressive, playing controller gives you a lot of room to make crazy plays by yourself. besides that doing fantastic
trash is fine honestly, I don't see anything of use here besides maybe working on taking a bit less opening duels. a great example is leo, having scans even super late in a 2v2 is useful
you need to work on taking LESS opening duels and focus WAY MORE on util. 36 assists as a flash initiator is pretty bad, especially with kay/o who is known to be an assist farmer. you should be using your util for them not you
reach needs to focus on just practicing first engagements, honestly their rating is misleading and they seem like a good selfless player, but definitely just keep practicing entrying
anna just seems behind the rest of the team mechanically, that's all I really gotta say. she just needs prac and hopefully she can catch up :) and try to NEVER die first on sentinel
someone commented on comps already so I thought I'd comment what I'm gleaning from just stats, really hard to tell what is truly happening with no vods or anything
lielahh [#33]She had an off game on Breeze
my opinion
- dont worry about comps for now, at this skill range comfort picks > meta picks - obviously as you guys get better as a team with coordination and set plays move towards meta comps
- get your sentinel on aimlabs lol shouldnt have that many first deaths
- honestly speaking try and get in tourneys more in your skill range if possible; expecting to beat a team full of ascendants/immortals is unrealistic
this is coming from a peak diamond so dont take it with a grain of salt
kaninv [#59]Congregated data over the 3 matches:
Ying - Controller:
249 acs
1.26 rating
109-83-37
14 OP attemptsTrash - Primary Initiator:
229 acs
1.12 rating
96-80-47
17 OP attemptsLielahh - Secondary Initiator (+flex):
246 ACS
0.97 rating
102-103-36
45 OP attemptsReach - Duelist:
204 acs
0.94 rating
84-94-20
38 OP attemptsAnnafinechyyna - Sentinel:
114 acs
0.72 rating
46-82-17
11 OP attemptsWhat I can gain from this information:
ying needs to be a bit more aggressive, playing controller gives you a lot of room to make crazy plays by yourself. besides that doing fantastic
trash is fine honestly, I don't see anything of use here besides maybe working on taking a bit less opening duels. a great example is leo, having scans even super late in a 2v2 is useful
you need to work on taking LESS opening duels and focus WAY MORE on util. 36 assists as a flash initiator is pretty bad, especially with kay/o who is known to be an assist farmer. you should be using your util for them not you
reach needs to focus on just practicing first engagements, honestly their rating is misleading and they seem like a good selfless player, but definitely just keep practicing entrying
anna just seems behind the rest of the team mechanically, that's all I really gotta say. she just needs prac and hopefully she can catch up :) and try to NEVER die first on sentinelsomeone commented on comps already so I thought I'd comment what I'm gleaning from just stats, really hard to tell what is truly happening with no vods or anything
Thank u thats very helpful
i agree about myself I die way too often and my util could use some work.
ying is very lurky, means her stats are a bit deflated.
trash/jas is a good palyer yeah theres not rlly problems n stuff. i have a vod of sunset from aurora game if u want.
reach pretty good at duelist, she’s just had some unlucky contacts
anna just needs to work on mechs yeah
LFTshahzam [#62]my opinion
- dont worry about comps for now, at this skill range comfort picks > meta picks - obviously as you guys get better as a team with coordination and set plays move towards meta comps
- get your sentinel on aimlabs lol shouldnt have that many first deaths
- honestly speaking try and get in tourneys more in your skill range if possible; expecting to beat a team full of ascendants/immortals is unrealistic
this is coming from a peak diamond so dont take it with a grain of salt
we 13-11 13-10 an asc team, i think our ranks r misleading but we just need to prac as a team
lielahh [#63]Thank u thats very helpful
i agree about myself I die way too often and my util could use some work.
ying is very lurky, means her stats are a bit deflated.
trash/jas is a good palyer yeah theres not rlly problems n stuff. i have a vod of sunset from aurora game if u want.
reach pretty good at duelist, she’s just had some unlucky contacts
anna just needs to work on mechs yeah
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realvizierr [#60]idk man, asking vlr users for help? most people here just post NAVI or NA baits
but personaly, you would probably get better input if you linked any vods
i’ve linked a vod it’s just not staying up forever
lielahh [#63]Thank u thats very helpful
i agree about myself I die way too often and my util could use some work.
ying is very lurky, means her stats are a bit deflated.
trash/jas is a good palyer yeah theres not rlly problems n stuff. i have a vod of sunset from aurora game if u want.
reach pretty good at duelist, she’s just had some unlucky contacts
anna just needs to work on mechs yeah
I think the problem is vsing players higher rank than you results in bad game
lielahh [#63]Thank u thats very helpful
i agree about myself I die way too often and my util could use some work.
ying is very lurky, means her stats are a bit deflated.
trash/jas is a good palyer yeah theres not rlly problems n stuff. i have a vod of sunset from aurora game if u want.
reach pretty good at duelist, she’s just had some unlucky contacts
anna just needs to work on mechs yeah
yeah I mean I've seen a dude get 26 assists in 1 map as KAY/O and you have 36 over 6. I think if you work in scrims on comming set plays and good popflashes then reach will benefit and the entire team will as a result (and you will too as a massive assist farmer)
ying's lurking is fine but I'm not seeing a lot of impact and the meta is impactful controllers, if she isn't going for plays with her util then she should start doing so. less lurk space might open if another sentinel joins, so she'd need to get used to being with the team more
trash is great, I see no issues and I can tell she is the highest ranked player.
I believe for sure kat is a good duelist, just needs to focus on winning more openings and you working on util should help with that
anna just needs to grind
Conut [#68]I think the problem is vsing players higher rank than you results in bad game
the whole team is clueless compared to high asc / immo players
Conut [#70]the whole team is clueless compared to high asc / immo players
no other way to get better besides playing them ^_^
you have to respect that they're trying and getting the experience
Conut [#70]the whole team is clueless compared to high asc / immo players
Yeah probably but thats not a mech diff so much as a gamesenseproblem
what happened on disc
kaninv [#73]no other way to get better besides playing them ^_^
you have to respect that they're trying and getting the experience
I think were improving a lot from playing them rather than like 5stack or whatever
kaninv [#73]no other way to get better besides playing them ^_^
you have to respect that they're trying and getting the experience
Facts
lielahh [#74]Yeah probably but thats not a mech diff so much as a gamesenseproblem
what happened on disc
its an overall diff
lielahh [#65].
just a quick note might want to share this only with certain people since you have a ton of random internet browsing discord browsing etc and there are weirdos
kaninv [#79]just a quick note might want to share this only with certain people since you have a ton of random internet browsing discord browsing etc and there are weirdos
Yeah ik theres a reason I delete the vod after people have it
from what I can see in stats try to setup your duelist more, this might be a bit of a guess but i think a lot of util is being wasted for solo plays and interactions(other players have a lot of first interactions compared to duelist), which arent necessarily bad but can lead to uncoordination
also ur probably against higher ranked players with better fundamentals which puts the odds against you
lielahh [#17]We had cypher planned and in agent select our senti asked to swap..
In terms of ranks:
me: g2
anna fine chynna: g3
reach: p3
trash: asc3
ying: d1teams we played against:
sync up: a1, a3, a3, p3, imm1
aurora ascend: a1, a1, a1, d1, imm1 (i think)
spagcatti: level3, dia, dia, gold, goldIn terms of anna idk it’s better to be able to play the tournament than not get 5
Astra on Haven/Asc
We scrimmed Asc with omen, played some games with it. Our smoker is an astra player like me and was much more reactive and consistent smoking on Astra so we called to play her on both maps. We haven’t leaked comps for Split/Lotus but they’re a bit different (we’ll prob play one of them tonight, idk if the games are going on vlr gg its a bit cooked)
Other than that it’s just synergy. All 5 of us only played together as a 5 for the first time on game day. We just have to stick as a 3-4 core and get more exp, our ranks dont represent our skill I’d say.
also a specific User named conut v2………. My goat…….
-AnnaFineChyyna +literally anyone else
lyprum [#82]from what I can see in stats try to setup your duelist more, this might be a bit of a guess but i think a lot of util is being wasted for solo plays and interactions(other players have a lot of first interactions compared to duelist), which arent necessarily bad but can lead to uncoordination
also ur probably against higher ranked players with better fundamentals which puts the odds against you
thats a fair call i was trying to make solo plays on asc a bit too much
my breach is more supporty than my ko rn, i need to work on kayo a bit
XtraChrxs [#83]-AnnaFineChyyna +literally anyone else
Roster locked for this event and we dont have a 6th 🤧
since its an open qualifier and teams aren't gonna exploit a ton of stuff, ill just keep it brief + try to say stuff that hasn't already been said:
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the sunset comp can work, but if as a team you are able to run more proven stuff(double smokes, chamber, etc) it may give u an edge on that map that other teams don't have. the sunset u played vs aurora (and this is just me going off of what ik, cause there's no vod) was lost due to your comp not being able to counter the dive, specifically phoenix. more map control with a comp like viper-omen-fade-chamber-raze can really hurt the phoenix's space-creation.
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other than that, make sure that you are playing to a comp's strengths, but not every round. feel free to sometimes push the strats a tiny bit outside the box (i.e. doing full fakes with harbor/viper on breeze). your individual performances don't matter as long as you have cohesive teamplay and synergy
-forgot to add that if u aren't super comfortable on kay/o, try fade if u are more comfortable on her. default is good, but comfort is most optimal
One thing I see is that you're taking the same amount of first contacts as your duelist which is insane as a breach especially. The match you won, the duelist was taking the most first contacts, if it is a problem with confidence for the duelist you should work on that as a team. This is purely off stats tho, haven't watched any of the vods but if you're comfortable taking those first contacts and your duelist isn't you could also looking into a role switch
lielahh [#17]We had cypher planned and in agent select our senti asked to swap..
In terms of ranks:
me: g2
anna fine chynna: g3
reach: p3
trash: asc3
ying: d1teams we played against:
sync up: a1, a3, a3, p3, imm1
aurora ascend: a1, a1, a1, d1, imm1 (i think)
spagcatti: level3, dia, dia, gold, goldIn terms of anna idk it’s better to be able to play the tournament than not get 5
Astra on Haven/Asc
We scrimmed Asc with omen, played some games with it. Our smoker is an astra player like me and was much more reactive and consistent smoking on Astra so we called to play her on both maps. We haven’t leaked comps for Split/Lotus but they’re a bit different (we’ll prob play one of them tonight, idk if the games are going on vlr gg its a bit cooked)
Other than that it’s just synergy. All 5 of us only played together as a 5 for the first time on game day. We just have to stick as a 3-4 core and get more exp, our ranks dont represent our skill I’d say.
also a specific User named conut v2………. My goat…….
i see your edit now,
And ahh… maybe she just nervous or something possibly over thinking ? just talk to her more in game
even with the astra thing i could see it viable on haven but ascent even still the best astra in the world omen still just better, but hell maybe she’s just 100x more comfy on astra so go with it, but if you want more utl advantage from your smoke omen still the better choice for ascent
but other then that comps fine, maybe just calm your kj down, have her play off site some more or atleast stop FD, and play more off angles to get more frags or play offsite retake and she comes in last and gain the confidence up by baiting
shadowvlr [#88]since its an open qualifier and teams aren't gonna exploit a ton of stuff, ill just keep it brief + try to say stuff that hasn't already been said:
the sunset comp can work, but if as a team you are able to run more proven stuff(double smokes, chamber, etc) it may give u an edge on that map that other teams don't have. the sunset u played vs aurora (and this is just me going off of what ik, cause there's no vod) was lost due to your comp not being able to counter the dive, specifically phoenix. more map control with a comp like viper-omen-fade-chamber-raze can really hurt the phoenix's space-creation.
other than that, make sure that you are playing to a comp's strengths, but not every round. feel free to sometimes push the strats a tiny bit outside the box (i.e. doing full fakes with harbor/viper on breeze). your individual performances don't matter as long as you have cohesive teamplay and synergy
-forgot to add that if u aren't super comfortable on kay/o, try fade if u are more comfortable on her. default is good, but comfort is most optimal
i’m much more comfy on kay/o
sunset comp was our creation based off meta knowledge, we dont have a team super specced into double smokes or a chamber playr.
we lost sunset to throwing rounds we shouldnt have, breach feels great on the map, fade feels like good recon.
other than that ty its appreciated
cohnr [#89]One thing I see is that you're taking the same amount of first contacts as your duelist which is insane as a breach especially. The match you won, the duelist was taking the most first contacts, if it is a problem with confidence for the duelist you should work on that as a team. This is purely off stats tho, haven't watched any of the vods but if you're comfortable taking those first contacts and your duelist isn't you could also looking into a role switch
I dont even try to contact it just ended up that way.
The match we won was against a significantly lower elo team than the other two, but yeah I need to take less contacts.
There's more than just 1 problem
- The player(s) are active on VLR
- The players didn't make a flair for VLR
- Get a coach and start brainstroming executes and defenses
- Players need to bond more together to trust on an in-game level
- Asking VLR for the problem knowing VLR is the problem
- Consider role changes or expand agent pools and work on timings if you wanna win
- Change team name to "Scallop United Esports" from scallop united esports
Ballsamolee [#94]Get a new sentinel. AnnaFineChynna isn't really cutting it. Also good luck in your future matches Lielahh.
Thanks Ballsamolee
titanwithpp [#93]There's more than just 1 problem
- The player(s) are active on VLR
- The players didn't make a flair for VLR
- Get a coach and start brainstroming executes and defenses
- Players need to bond more together to trust on an in-game level
- Asking VLR for the problem knowing VLR is the problem
- Consider role changes or expand agent pools and work on timings if you wanna win
- Change team name to "Scallop United Esports" from scallop united esports
Afaik not every team just gets a flair given to them, pretty sure you have to have some achievement
Ballsamolee [#94]Get a new sentinel. AnnaFineChynna isn't really cutting it. Also good luck in your future matches Lielahh.
AnnA Fine Chyna just said she cant play this weekend because it clashes with division 8 premiere and league finals, i'd alr checked the schedule fully and she said there was no problem
diswaco [#100]lowkey ur taking way too many first duels as an initiator no? i could be tweaking but 4/11 fk/fd over 2 maps on kayo and breach does not look sustainable to me
same thing w/ ur smokes player but they're winning their duels so it's wtv
yeah i inted that series im trying to first contact less
lielahh [#101]yeah i inted that series im trying to first contact less
also 5/6 maps yall have played, your attack halves have been some doodoo(respectfully) prob work on getting that patched up (e.g midrounding/midround util, reads, execs)
diswaco [#102]also 5/6 maps yall have played, your attack halves have been some doodoo(respectfully) prob work on getting that patched up (e.g midrounding/midround util, reads, execs)
sign him ☝️
diswaco [#102]also 5/6 maps yall have played, your attack halves have been some doodoo(respectfully) prob work on getting that patched up (e.g midrounding/midround util, reads, execs)
we have no igl skull its fine we fix it soon
Liem [#54]no way you can just choose. if i ever have a vlr profile im gonna go with north korea flag
yooooooo i think I might pro now
Simp4S0m [#106]Replace lielahh with a better initiator. I think Qwertyy looking for team
bait used to be good
lielahh [#96]Afaik not every team just gets a flair given to them, pretty sure you have to have some achievement
Yeah that's an indirect way of saying do better, its motivation
lielahh [#104]we have no igl skull its fine we fix it soon
sign me :moyai: best hardstuck gold 2 on this side of the mississippi
Parzelel [#110]What the fuck y'all are avg plat and playing in tourneys? Maybe my standards are too high wtf
they are playing for fun and not just for competitiveness if im not mistaken
Number_1_Sheydos_Fan [#114]Let your smokes player leave and explore their options. Going 7-1 fkfd smokes and losing 0-2 is WILDD
We werent expecting to win those games, we have 2 golds, a plat, a dia, and an asc. they have 3 asc, a plat, and an immo
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