As most of the teams upgraded the rosters well, here are teams who went backwards:
(Not considering EG-NRG possibilities for now)
Good season this would be with onli 4 ds
meyournightmare [#2]whats the DFM roster 🗿
ranked japanese players prob. they hosted trialing months ago in which anybody can trial as long as you're immortal or above
Zerphyr1 [#3]prx still downgraded but they couldn't do much about it
No disrespect to Goat Jinggg
But new PRX increases the agent pool COMPS by alot for PRX, so its subtle good, they can be even more unpredictable and experimentive
Yistyy [#6]giants downgraded by picking up botgar
bbl and liquid are also genuine downgrades.
Liquid on paper downgrade, but Apeks flawless victory, provides them consistency which Liquid lacked a lot...
Its the same case as C9 so i would consider dat upgrade
For Giants Botgar anyways bring more experienced IGLing than Rhyme, so its good for them, considering they already have good firepower
kamisavitar [#8]Liquid on paper downgrade, but Apeks flawless victory, provides them consistency which Liquid lacked a lot...
Its the same case as C9 so i would consider dat upgradeFor Giants Botgar anyways bring more experienced IGLing than Rhyme, so its good for them, considering they already have good firepower
maybe you're right about liquid, but rhyme is a much better igl than redgar. it's kinda like how koldamenta is very experienced, but no team is willing to pick him up.
Yistyy [#10]maybe you're right about liquid, but rhyme is a much better igl than redgar. it's kinda like how koldamenta is very experienced, but no team is willing to pick him up.
Liquid atm is literally nAts+mutts, I hope for a CIS superteam in franchise so that bad players stop ruining nAts' career. Demon1+zeddy+Shao+sheydos+nAts would own fr, but lulquid management are too stupid.
Yistyy [#10]maybe you're right about liquid, but rhyme is a much better igl than redgar. it's kinda like how koldamenta is very experienced, but no team is willing to pick him up.
Kolda's stats are disastrous☠️☠️☠️
No level of IGLing can, fill the void he creates in firepower of a team 4v5 basically
Itsover [#9]Liquid(hard to downgrade from soulcas+s0yf, but they managed to do so by keeping jamppi and sigining enz0, b0tstic and keik0)
Sayf was the only good player on that roster wdym s0yf
ionlyHave1Zuni [#13]Sayf was the only good player on that roster wdym s0yf
nAts is the only good player on liquid 2023, not s0yf.
Zerphyr1 [#3]prx still downgraded but they couldn't do much about it
saying that monyet is a downgrade is crazy, bro singlehandedly carried GE to multiple rounds and even some map wins with his pure ability, let alone he plays 3 crucial roles (Sentinel, Controller + Duelist) all at a high level, no shot he's a downgrade.
Itsover [#14]nAts is the only good player on liquid 2023, not s0yf.
Redgar entryOmen clears all of them
ionlyHave1Zuni [#16]U mean fArts?
Would u let him get away wid dat bro??????
Its time for Loud vs TL match link 🤛
FDWC- [#21]delusional
im sorry but jinggg is better than monyet not sure how you would think otherwise.
Zerphyr1 [#23]im sorry but jinggg is better than monyet not sure how you would think otherwise.
Monyet has deeper pool than jinggg
if that's not an upgrade then idk what is
stay delusional tho
Itsover [#14]nAts is the only good player on liquid 2023, not s0yf.
Even as a nats fan, sayf was the best player on tl. Stop with the cis cope.
FDWC- [#24]Monyet has deeper pool than jinggg
if that's not an upgrade then idk what is
stay delusional tho
so what if he has a deeper pool that is irrelevant to my point. I'm talking about who is better and to answer that question it is Jinggg
Zerphyr1 [#26]so what if he has a deeper pool that is irrelevant to my point. I'm talking about who is better and to answer that question it is Jinggg
other than entry what is jinggg good at that monyet couldn't do?
cohnr [#22]calling polvi a downgrade is one of the statements of all time
GE: all players inferior to previous lineUp, clear observation.
polvi is way superior than rossi +blazek1ng is much better than duelist converted sentinel
Hockey-Stick [#28]GE: all players inferior to previous lineUp, clear observation.
polvi is way superior than rossi +blazek1ng is much better than duelist converted sentinel
Agree, and 2 imports is pretty good too
Zerphyr1 [#3]prx still downgraded but they couldn't do much about it
Monyet and Jinggg are very hard to compare, but overall I'd probably call it a sidegrade. They're different players, and Monyet won't do exactly what Jinggg has done for the team, but he will add more versatility, as he has shown this year that he can be an absolute top-tier controller (I mean, his IGN starts with M, right)
Itsover [#11]Liquid atm is literally nAts+mutts, I hope for a CIS superteam in franchise so that bad players stop ruining nAts' career. Demon1+zeddy+Shao+sheydos+nAts would own fr, but lulquid management are too stupid.
Bro snuck zeddy in like we wouldn't notice 💀
kamisavitar [#8]Liquid on paper downgrade, but Apeks flawless victory, provides them consistency which Liquid lacked a lot...
Its the same case as C9 so i would consider dat upgradeFor Giants Botgar anyways bring more experienced IGLing than Rhyme, so its good for them, considering they already have good firepower
The problem with Redgar is that even prime Gambit sucked on attack. We didn't notice that as much in Berlin because they got carried by individual performance. Redgar might be a great CT IGL but that's just not enough.
Itsover [#14]nAts is the only good player on liquid 2023, not s0yf.
Sayf was literally the highest rated player of the team at every single event liquid played. He was also the highest rated player (tied with Alfajer) in the EMEA league.
I'm still with you that nAts was the most important player on that roster, but Sayf was definitely good this year.
Breloof [#34]Sayf was literally the highest rated player of the team at every single event liquid played. He was also the highest rated player (tied with Alfajer) in the EMEA league.
I'm still with you that nAts was the most important player on that roster, but Sayf was definitely good this year.
hard agree, sayf had some insane games stat wise but he could get over confident and throw some rounds by over committing (not calling him bad as him and nAts were the only reason TL could do anything last year), nAts was so important to TL because of how solid he was every single game
i’ve learned not to doubt LOUD whatever the move while saadhak and Less are still on the roster. note: they didn’t try to replace aspas, they looked for someone who fits the team, which happened to be qck.
and you may say “k shidoh, but he’s still not aspas”. and fine, aspas is a tier on his own, but WHAT IF qck introduces a play style that makes at least 1 player more comfortable than before? not to mention they all evolved. the rookies (cauanzin and tuyz) evolved, gained tons of experience, they are more confident than ever. that being said, LOUD in 2024 could be as strong as they were in 2023, or even stronger. only time will tell.
Aspas was the crucial part of team
this is just not true
cohnr [#22]calling polvi a downgrade is one of the statements of all time
t3xture > Polvi
Ayrin > Rust
Skrossi > LF
Monyet > Benkai
Bazzi > BlaZek1ng
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