The true definition of Skill floor

It pains me that most people don’t understand the meaning of skill floor.

Skill ceiling = how good you can be (Most people understand this)
Skill floor = how bad you can be (Most people don’t understand this)

Skill ceiling and skill floor are counterparts, so their definitions must directly counter each other. You can’t have one definition of skill ceiling, and then have a completely unrelated definition for skill floor.

A few examples:

Yoru has a high skill ceiling and a low skill floor. You can be extremely good with Yoru, but you can also be extremely bad with Yoru. He’s a difficult agent to pick up and play.

Omen has a low skill ceiling and a high skill floor. It’s difficult to dominate as Omen, but it’s hard to be extremely bad because he has a very safe kit.

CSGO has a high skill ceiling and a low skill floor. A new player will be very bad at CSGO because it’s so mechanically demanding. However, a great player will be able to separate themselves from a good player more easily.

Valorant has a low skill ceiling and a high skill floor. It’s very easy to play Valorant as a new player because it’s not mechanically demanding. However, it’s much harder for a great player to separate themselves from a good player.

https://esportsedition.com/general/skill-ceiling-skill-floor-esports-terminology/

22 agents
88 abilities
Tac shooter mechanics

“lOw sKilL cEiLiNg”

Idiots everywhere.

Most players who play Valorant for YEARS are still absolute TRASH. The game has one of the highest skill ceilings in the world.

The difference between silver and Radiant (at the top of the game) is absolutely astronomical.

skill floor = minimum skill required to get value/be decent

skill floor - the level at which a player starts to become effective at whatever theyre doing in the game/having fun

Omen has a low skill ceiling and a high skill floor. It’s difficult to dominate as Omen, but it’s hard to be extremely bad because he has a very safe kit.

ah. youre an idiot. good to know.

sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#5]

Omen has a low skill ceiling and a high skill floor. It’s difficult to dominate as Omen, but it’s hard to be extremely bad because he has a very safe kit.

ah. youre an idiot. good to know.

it’s much harder for a great player to separate themselves from a good player

also spoken like someone who has no clue what they're yappin bout.

that's not what skill floor is

as much as I agree with your take on Yoru having a high skill ceiling, I have a different definition for skill floor: the minimum skill required to play a character effectively.

If we look at agent proficiency as a sigmoid curve representing performance over time playing, the skill floor is the point in the graph where the tangent line is the steepest; that is, where players actually begin to improve dramatically with that agent

I would define skill floor as the level needed to play the game and understand what's happening but I see where you're coming from

Nachtel [#8]

as much as I agree with your take on Yoru having a high skill ceiling, I have a different definition for skill floor: the minimum skill required to play a character effectively.

If we look at agent proficiency as a sigmoid curve representing performance over time playing, the skill floor is the point in the graph where the tangent line is the steepest; that is, where players actually begin to improve dramatically with that agent

Skill ceiling and skill floor are counterparts.

You cannot have one definition for skill ceiling, and then have a completely unrelated definition for skill floor.

If the skill floor is the minimum amount of skill required to play an agent effectively, then the skill ceiling must mean the maximum amount of skill to play a character effectively.

https://esportsedition.com/general/skill-ceiling-skill-floor-esports-terminology/

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Jitu [#3]

skill floor = minimum skill required to get value/be decent

Does this mean skill ceiling is the maximum skill required to be decent?

LOL. Your examples are just wrong. Specifically with skill floor. A high skill floor means that to achieve a basic level of success with an agent, you need a good amount of practice/skill on that agent. A low skill floor means that you can reach a basic level of success without putting too much time in and being generally unskilled with an agent.

UBClears [#12]

Does this mean skill ceiling is the maximum skill required to be decent?

no? its the minimum skill required to get the most optimal value or essentially the maximum possible skill

UBClears [#12]

Does this mean skill ceiling is the maximum skill required to be decent?

No. FFs. It's how good you can become in a game and to what extent you can distinguish yourself from your peers.

Just an example. If we take a random game with a high skill ceiling. We take the top 1000 players. The top 100 will be better than the 100 below them and 101-200 will be better than the 201-300 below them and so on. If we pretend it's a 1v1 game, matching someone from 1-100 against anyone below will result in them winning 80%+ of the time. This will be true for all players 1-1000 matching them against an opponent in any division below them.

Now lets make this a low skill ceiling, still top 1000 but the skill ceiling is hit right about at rank 1000. Now any player 1-1000 playing against each other will have a ~50% win rate because they cant outplay/differentiate themselves from their peers.

UBClears [#10]

Skill ceiling and skill floor are counterparts.

You cannot have one definition for skill ceiling, and then have a completely unrelated definition for skill floor.

If the skill floor is the minimum amount of skill required to play an agent effectively, then the skill ceiling must mean the maximum amount of skill to play a character effectively.

https://esportsedition.com/general/skill-ceiling-skill-floor-esports-terminology/

That is indeed what skill ceiling and skill floor means.

Skill floor- minimum amount of skills needed to play a certain character or game
Skill ceiling- the maximum amount of skills that can be displayed / peak performance

Having a high skill ceiling means that there is many things to learn even if your the best player, like Tekken 7 or other fighting games where new skills or tech are being discovered as the game continue on, and vice versa.

Having a high skill floor means for a completely new player, it would take quite a lot of effort and time to be able to play that character or game at a certain level, like Yoru where his kit is complex in the first place to use.

Alova02 [#16]

That is indeed what skill ceiling and skill floor means.

Skill floor- minimum amount of skills needed to play a certain character or game
Skill ceiling- the maximum amount of skills that can be displayed / peak performance

Having a high skill ceiling means that there is many things to learn even if your the best player, like Tekken 7 or other fighting games where new skills or tech are being discovered as the game continue on, and vice versa.

Having a high skill floor means for a completely new player, it would take quite a lot of effort and time to be able to play that character or game at a certain level, like Yoru where his kit is complex in the first place to use.

But these definitions are not counterparts. They need to be counterparts

Jitu [#14]

no? its the minimum skill required to get the most optimal value or essentially the maximum possible skill

Skill ceiling is the maximum possible skill. Then what word describes the minimum possible skill?

Lol Valo have higher ceiling than any fps in terms of tactics the level and number of execs we see in just 4 years is greater than 20 years of CS

UBClears [#17]

But these definitions are not counterparts. They need to be counterparts

Skill floor- The minimum skill required to play a hero effectively. Lucio for example has a very low skill floor. Even with very little skill he can still be played effectively.

literally googled

edit: also, this is from the link you provided yourself
"This brings us to skill floors. A skill floor is the counterpart to a skill ceiling. A skill ceiling is the level of play that’s possible with training and mastery. A skill floor is a way of describing how difficult it is to begin the process of mastery. For example, playing Widowmaker in Overwatch isn’t easy if you don’t have a background in other FPS titles. In order to even be relevant with her, you need to have exceptional aim and positioning. The skill floor for Widowmaker, in other words, is very high — if you want to be somewhat competent, you need to have mastered a variety of game mechanics."

UBClears [#18]

Skill ceiling is the maximum possible skill. Then what word describes the minimum possible skill?

ur too obsessed with every word having opposite terms but that isnt the case at all

"It pains me that most people don’t understand the meaning of skill floor." sounds like you have a problem with what floor and ceiling means buddy.

"Skill floor = how bad you can be" idk maybe you can call that definition as skill underground or some shit