duelist = agent good at pushing and taking space(entry)
sentinel = agent good at keeping info on an area or holding space(anchor)
chamber abilities : operator, guardian, tp (for getting away), trap (for info and delay)
which one of chambers abilities is for taking space??? most of them are for holding. why do some people think kills = duelist witht that logic alfajer and less are duelist players.
weakdog [#6]By this guys logic Reyna and Phoenix are not duelists either 💀💀
youre supposed to entry with reyna and phoenix btw, not lurk.
TipTop [#5]Who is going to tell lil blud💀💀💀😹😹😹
Bro 100% didnt watch 2022
bro no chamber player would be entrying. theres a reason the flex player would play raze.
donut2612 [#7]youre supposed to entry with reyna and phoenix btw, not lurk.
2022 Chamber had one of the best get out of jail free cards to take first contact and "entry"
weakdog [#9]2022 Chamber had one of the best get out of jail free cards to take first contact and "entry"
thats not what entrying is.....thats just playing for picks. the raze player would usually be the first to actually push onto site.
Chamber is as good at entrying as Reyna is. No movement util, no util to clear angles for himself, but you still want him to take first duels often, even on attack (at least that's how most teams played him during the peak Chamber meta).
His job in the meta was to take first duels, He just needed more support from initiator util.
donut2612 [#10]thats not what entrying is.....thats just playing for picks. the raze player would usually be the first to actually push onto site.
Then explain how Phoenix and Reyna "entry" by your requirements
donut2612 [#10]thats not what entrying is.....thats just playing for picks. the raze player would usually be the first to actually push onto site.
blud literally defined chamber's entry for you and you're still barking
Breloof [#11]Chamber is as good at entrying as Reyna is. No movement util, no util to clear angles for himself, but you still want him to take first duels often, even on attack (at least that's how most teams played him during the peak Chamber meta).
His job in the meta was to take first duels, He just needed more support from initiator util.
i think of chamber like an awper in csgo: they peek first, but never are tthe ones physically pushing onto and clearing site.
also reyna is supposed to entry with her flash but its not that good hence why her pickrate in pro play is low. in ranked she is used a lot because you cant rely on your team in ranked so selfish agents are useful.
bearmans [#16]you can literally hard clear site with chamber in 2022.
no that was raze's job. except 100t tried chamber entry once and got 13-0d
donut2612 [#18]no that was raze's job. except 100t tried chamber entry once and got 13-0d
i didn't say it's his main objective. if you down to 3v3 or 2v2, he can clear site as good as any duelist if not better.
that means chamber is a really versatile agent that almost every team have a chamber main last year.
even PRX has 2 chamber main with f0reskin and d4v41.
bearmans [#22]i didn't say it's his main objective. if you down to 3v3 or 2v2, he can clear site as good as any duelist if not better.
that means chamber is a really versatile agent that almost every team have a chamber main last year.
even PRX has 2 chamber main with f0reskin and d4v41.
well in a low player situations like 2v2s 3v2s etc, roles kinda go out the window.
weakdog [#12]Then explain how Phoenix and Reyna "entry" by your requirements
#15 the reyna part applies to phoenix as well
I kinda agree, u cant really entry on chamber. U guys saying that he can tp, u guys r forgetting that it takes time to put it down and he has to put it like in a safe spot, plus the radius isnt that big which means he cant move much, making it hard to entry. i think u guys r confusing aggressiveness with entrying. Chamber is good for holding aggressive angles but terrible for entrying. Once u tp, u lose all ur info or a lot of important info which is terrible for entrying
ASTEROIDCHILD [#27]don't know why everyone's shitting on you, you're literally right
chamber has no natural space creation. if jett could only dash backwards she wouldn't function as a duelist either.
Because the average rank of the people in this thread is Bronze
They're the type of people to call Sage a 'healer', and go all,"wE nEeD a HeALeR" in chat during agent select
If Chamber is a duelist, why was he placed in the sentinel role? Basically, he's a different type of a sentinel where he uses HIMSELF to anchor a site, by holding angles and getting picks, that's why he has a get out of jail free card.
ASTEROIDCHILD [#27]don't know why everyone's shitting on you, you're literally right
chamber has no natural space creation. if jett could only dash backwards she wouldn't function as a duelist either.
People think kills and get out of jail free card = duelist
I don't get why people are clowning on you.
By the literal definition of a duelist by riot themselves, Chamber does not qualify just because he had a get out jail free card.
Look at how Yay played chamber, he never used to entry. Much props to Victor for playing all duelists and giving them the entry they needed.
It's just getting kills with chamber as a whole was easier due to the insanely fast pull out pocket guardian and a free Op as an ult and the best ability to get out of duels. That's about it.
donut2612 [#15]i think of chamber like an awper in csgo: they peek first, but never are tthe ones physically pushing onto and clearing site.
also reyna is supposed to entry with her flash but its not that good hence why her pickrate in pro play is low. in ranked she is used a lot because you cant rely on your team in ranked so selfish agents are useful.
We're saying the same thing though. Reyna and Chamber play very similarly, because their job is to take first duels, but their strengths lie in what happens after those duels, whereas Jett or Raze have util that supports what happens before those duels. Phoenix falls into that category as well. Of course Phoenix and Reyna both have flashes, but in a pro setting, you often want the flashes coming from initiators anyway. I mean if we look at duelist util, we have
Util that is essentially a weapon:
Jett ult, Neon ult, Raze ult
AOE util that clears space:
Phoenix molly, Neon stun, Raze nade
Movement util
Jett Dash, Updraft, Satchels, Neon run
Flashes
Get out of jail free cards
Jett dash, Reyna dismiss, Phoenix ult (kinda)
All of Chamber's util except for the trip can be placed in one of those categories.
Obviously Phoenix/Reyna and Chamber don't have the exact same role (especially on defense), but there is a lot of overlap, especially compared to other sentinels like Cypher or Killjoy. And Riot took a lot of inspiration from their duelists to design his abilities. He's not a pure duelist, but he's not a pure sentinel either, it's kind of a hybrid.
SilentCypher [#32]I don't get why people are clowning on you.
By the literal definition of a duelist by riot themselves, Chamber does not qualify just because he had a get out jail free card.
Look at how Yay played chamber, he never used to entry. Much props to Victor for playing all duelists and giving them the entry they needed.
It's just getting kills with chamber as a whole was easier due to the insanely fast pull out pocket guardian and a free Op as an ult and the best ability to get out of duels. That's about it.
You got downfragged for saying the truth XDDD
I swear vlr has literal 8 year olds on it
ASTEROIDCHILD [#27]don't know why everyone's shitting on you, you're literally right
chamber has no natural space creation. if jett could only dash backwards she wouldn't function as a duelist either.
reyna and phoenix also dont
People who say chamber is a duelist need to get their eyes checked, when you go into the game it says sentinel. Plus he has 1. A trip, good for holding space 2. A teleporter, good for holding space with your body then getting out. And then the headhunter is a good ability for using the OP a weapon that is better on the defensive side.
Literally none of his toolkit is geared towards the attack. People are just so used to abusing jett and reyna with them being duelist so automatically say that chamber must be one too
samhatts [#40]People who say chamber is a duelist need to get their eyes checked, when you go into the game it says sentinel. Plus he has 1. A trip, good for holding space 2. A teleporter, good for holding space with your body then getting out. And then the headhunter is a good ability for using the OP a weapon that is better on the defensive side.
Literally none of his toolkit is geared towards the attack. People are just so used to abusing jett and reyna with them being duelist so automatically say that chamber must be one too
Just because all the duelist players played him does not mean he is a duelist but he is not a fully sentinel
Only cypher and kj were considered true sentinels
Chamber is pseudo sentinel
NoOne_ButMe [#41]Just because all the duelist players played him does not mean he is a duelist but he is not a fully sentinel
Only cypher and kj were considered true sentinels
Chamber is pseudo sentinel
Sentinel just means good at defending you don't need a trip, though pro players usually prefer agents with trips which is one(of many reasons) sage and deadlock aren't good in pro play.
Side note, jett was also good at defending but jett was just broken, maybe still is I don't know
Side side note, viper is also good at defending but she is a sentinel like controller. Bit like how chamber is a duelist like sentinel
BraindeadKJmain [#39]reyna and phoenix also dont
guys phoenix doesn't have an ult or a wall and reyna doesn't have dismiss
kimble [#43]guys phoenix doesn't have an ult or a wall and reyna doesn't have dismiss
how can you dismiss if you get 1 tapped if you run through smoke?
you have phoenix ult every round to make space?
even if you wall off a entry path someone can still watch the smoke and kill you instantly
donut2612 [#8]bro no chamber player would be entrying. theres a reason the flex player would play raze.
Yes but he would take space and take duels which are 2/3 main functions of a duelist
donut2612 [#7]youre supposed to entry with reyna and phoenix btw, not lurk.
Reyna has no util to help entry. Chamber is just as much of an entry as Reyna is. There is a reason no one plays solo Reyna
weakdog [#6]By this guys logic Reyna and Phoenix are not duelists either 💀💀
Phoenix:
Flash: meant to clear corners, quick space and kills
Wall: just like neons but one side and flexible
Molly: Molly
Ult: take space, if you die you revive, takes risk away
Reyna: no shit she’s not an actual duelist that’s why no one uses her besides PRX.
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