I've accepted it
Fnatic are not expected to win this event
Teams have figured them out so unless they outduel every team coming their way hard they ain't winning
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I don't see Fnatic winning this tournament anymore
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Ultimate6989 [#2]With Derke, Alfajer, Leo, and Chronicle (sometimes) maybe they could outduel every team
I don't see fnc members outside alfajer outdueling anybody
Have you watched this shit ?
cboomer [#3]people acting like fnatic doesnt have a top 3 coach is mind boggling
Based on his height I would say bottom 3
BronzilianYoru [#6]Based on his height I would say bottom 3
LMFAO would agree except you guys used to have bzka
queueK [#8]cringe! fnatic will win the tournament in style with a 3-2 rematch against LOUD in the grand finals after 3-2ing PRX in an incredible series for the lower bracket final after 2-1ing EG after 2-1ing EDG
That's my dream broski
BronzilianYoru [#6]Based on his height I would say bottom 3
Let Loud win another trophy. Then we can compare heights
StutterSt3p [#13]I agree, but because of the map bans in the grand finals. They'll be forced to play pearl and any good ascent team could be them there. That just leaves one more map needed to win, which any top team could find it.
100%, at minimum loud and eg should have a clear edge over fnatic from map bans
what does a prx-fnc grand final look like?
Moiraine [#5]I don't see fnc members outside alfajer outdueling anybody
Have you watched this shit ?
They can outduel the teams that have gotten eliminated by now, but not PRX, Loud, EG, and DRX. I think Fnatic needed more prep and new comps for Champions because there is so much footage on their maps and strats by now, and everyone wants to beat them.
StutterSt3p [#13]I agree, but because of the map bans in the grand finals. They'll be forced to play pearl and any good ascent team could be them there. That just leaves one more map needed to win, which any top team could find it.
would agree except for the fact that fnatic, a prep heavy team, have had a solid month and a half to cook up some shit for pearl. you seriously think a team like FNC who prep for literally everything would just 'assume' they have upper bracket advantage, and won't have to play pearl the entire tournament?
They defo have some shit cooked for that map. whether it works, only time will tell, but don't expect a free win from playing them on that map.
finnwithtwons [#15]100%, at minimum loud and eg should have a clear edge over fnatic from map bans
what does a prx-fnc grand final look like?
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FordTom [#17]would agree except for the fact that fnatic, a prep heavy team, have had a solid month and a half to cook up some shit for pearl. you seriously think a team like FNC who prep for literally everything would just 'assume' they have upper bracket advantage, and won't have to play pearl the entire tournament?
They defo have some shit cooked for that map. whether it works, only time will tell, but don't expect a free win from playing them on that map.
That doesn't really matter because they haven't played it in a match. They have no map experience on it, and if it were really that good, it wouldn't be their perma-ban. They obviously have something planned for it, but it must not be very good.
finnwithtwons [#15]100%, at minimum loud and eg should have a clear edge over fnatic from map bans
what does a prx-fnc grand final look like?
Map-wise:
PRX bans: Haven Lotus
PRX: Pearl
FNC: Split
PRX: Ascent
FNC: Fracture
PRX: Bind
PRX is favored in the map pool or a similar map pool.
StutterSt3p [#19]That doesn't really matter because they haven't played it in a match. They have no map experience on it, and if it were really that good, it wouldn't be their perma-ban. They obviously have something planned for it, but it must not be very good.
you can keep a map prepped for a game and still act like its a perma ban. For example, if they play EG they can choose to ban fracture, knowing EG will pick pearl against them, and have some stuff prepped for it. They will have scrimmed it extensively but ofc won't have match experience, but for a tried and tested team like FNC I don't think that 'match experience' means as much as you think it does.
EntryKJ [#16]They can outduel the teams that have gotten eliminated by now, but not PRX, Loud, EG, and DRX. I think Fnatic needed more prep and new comps for Champions because there is so much footage on their maps and strats by now, and everyone wants to beat them.
Yep that's what i'm saying
It's only Alfa winning duels consistently, everyone else is getting shit on.
I actually can't believe they havent changed anything the whole year. Oh well, next year eu will have other teams to support. I cba having to support fnc because the rest of emea is not good enough this year.
Next year will be different. I personally think PRX win this champs, if not PRX then LOUD
StutterSt3p [#19]That doesn't really matter because they haven't played it in a match. They have no map experience on it, and if it were really that good, it wouldn't be their perma-ban. They obviously have something planned for it, but it must not be very good.
It's 1 game anything can happen
EG almost beat Fnatic on Bind playing a crazy ass comp
Gambit beat Envy on their permaban in the grand finals with Redgar on Reyna
queueK [#8]cringe! fnatic will win the tournament in style with a 3-2 rematch against LOUD in the grand finals after 3-2ing PRX in an incredible series for the lower bracket final after 2-1ing EG after 2-1ing EDG
Technically not a possible scenario cuz LOUD and PRX cant both be in lower and grand final
FordTom [#22]you can keep a map prepped for a game and still act like its a perma ban. For example, if they play EG they can choose to ban fracture, knowing EG will pick pearl against them, and have some stuff prepped for it. They will have scrimmed it extensively but ofc won't have match experience, but for a tried and tested team like FNC I don't think that 'match experience' means as much as you think it does.
Sure it's prepped, but it's their perma-ban for a reason. If they felt like it was a good map for them, it would not be their perma-ban. Also, scrims don't equal match experience, and even if it did, the map still won't be as good as their other maps. Also, FNC only ban Pearl, even against EG they wouldn't ban anything else.
TheLoque [#25]Technically not a possible scenario cuz LOUD and PRX cant both be in lower and grand final
Yeah kinda fucked these 3 giants got placed on the same side
Moiraine [#23]Yep that's what i'm saying
It's only Alfa winning duels consistently, everyone else is getting shit on.
I actually can't believe they havent changed anything the whole year. Oh well, next year eu will have other teams to support. I cba having to support fnc because the rest of emea is not good enough this year.Next year will be different. I personally think PRX win this champs, if not PRX then LOUD
Yeah, they need some new comps, even if it's not ideal. It's important to not get anti-stratted. I liked them switching Fade for Sova on Fracture like EG does.
NioMS [#24]It's 1 game anything can happen
EG almost beat Fnatic on Bind playing a crazy ass comp
Gambit beat Envy on their permaban in the grand finals with Redgar on Reyna
Ok and? The point could be applied to any scenario, but the likelihood matters here too. FNC just aren't likely to win Pearl against any good pearl team.
Fanatic team is an excellent team, however, the issue is that they spend the entire year playing against weaker teams (no offense intended).
So, when the end of the year arrives and the most important tournament takes place, of course they will figure out that they're not so dominat how they expect.
Champions is in another level.
StutterSt3p [#26]Sure it's prepped, but it's their perma-ban for a reason. If they felt like it was a good map for them, it would not be their perma-ban. Also, scrims don't equal match experience, and even if it did, the map still won't be as good as their other maps. Also, FNC only ban Pearl, even against EG they wouldn't ban anything else.
If you're FNC, and you've had a month to prep pearl, and you feel comfortable playing it (at least from scrims, which for an experienced team isn't just 'useless' experience), and you're playing EG - would you rather ban fracture, their best map, and play pearl, a map you've spent a month prepping - or ban pearl and play a team on their best map (and probably the best team at that map itw rn) just to keep your prep hidden?
It just doesn't make sense for them to have not prepped it. They can ban it in matches where they think they can have the upper hand in vetos without it, but I guarantee they'll float it against teams where they feel the need to ban another unfavourable matchup. They will almost certainly be holding on to their pearl strats for as long as possible to minimise antistratting potential, and honestly probably weren't really expecting to have to pull it out somewhere in the lower bracket run.
EntryKJ [#28]Yeah, they need some new comps, even if it's not ideal. It's important to not get anti-stratted. I liked them switching Fade for Sova on Fracture like EG does.
They did not play that comp properly
StutterSt3p [#29]Ok and? The point could be applied to any scenario, but the likelihood matters here too. FNC just aren't likely to win Pearl against any good pearl team.
Still Fnatic will be able to prepare and anti-strat while their opponent has never seen Fnatic play that map so that's the advantage Fnatic will have
SamBR [#30]Fanatic team is an excellent team, however, the issue is that they spend the entire year playing against weaker teams (no offense intended).
So, when the end of the year arrives and the most important tournament takes place, of course they will figure out that they're not so dominat how they expect.Champions is in another level.
We'll see about that g
FordTom [#31]If you're FNC, and you've had a month to prep pearl, and you feel comfortable playing it (at least from scrims, which for an experienced team isn't just 'useless' experience), and you're playing EG - would you rather ban fracture, their best map, and play pearl, a map you've spent a month prepping - or ban pearl and play a team on their best map (and probably the best team at that map itw rn) just to keep your prep hidden?
It just doesn't make sense for them to have not prepped it. They can ban it in matches where they think they can have the upper hand in vetos without it, but I guarantee they'll float it against teams where they feel the need to ban another unfavourable matchup. They will almost certainly be holding on to their pearl strats for as long as possible to minimise antistratting potential, and honestly probably weren't really expecting to have to pull it out somewhere in the lower bracket run.
FNC has legit only first banned Pearl, they clearly do not want to play that map. I'm sure they have some idea of what they want to play in the event they are forced to play it, but they definitely don't want to play it. This is their major weakness and it is not up for debate. They have no map experience on it which is massive, even for FNC.
NioMS [#34]Still Fnatic will be able to prepare and anti-strat while their opponent has never seen Fnatic play that map so that's the advantage Fnatic will have
Yeah, but FNC has literally no match experience on the map, and they clearly do not want to play it. If FNC is only perma-banning it, they know it's their weakness.
SamBR [#30]Fanatic team is an excellent team, however, the issue is that they spend the entire year playing against weaker teams (no offense intended).
So, when the end of the year arrives and the most important tournament takes place, of course they will figure out that they're not so dominat how they expect.Champions is in another level.
They need to have more self confidence against the big teams. If they played vs Loud with the same confidence they had against PRX and EG in Tokyo that game could have been a lot different. But the issue is they get inside their own heads when they fall behind against other superteams. I still believe that FNC, PRX, DRX, EG and LOUD are separated by razor thin margins and can all beat each other depending on how they're feeling on the day.
They look good against weaker teams and even the 3rd place teams from each region because they're confident in those matches. I think Boaster was respecting Loud's gameplan too much and let Loud take the game tempo, which is a playstyle they're not used to. If you compare it to their game against NRG they just walk into site and completely disrespect their setup.
Tbh watching Fnatic these two days feels like watching 2022 fnatic with new players. Just so little confidence.
StutterSt3p [#13]I agree, but because of the map bans in the grand finals. They'll be forced to play pearl and any good ascent team could be them there. That just leaves one more map needed to win, which any top team could find it.
Nah the real reason they're banning Pearl is that they have a masterclass cooked up specificially for the lower bracket run and they want the enemy team to be completely blind.
Pondy [#38]They need to have more self confidence against the big teams. If they played vs Loud with the same confidence they had against PRX and EG in Tokyo that game could have been a lot different. But the issue is they get inside their own heads when they fall behind against other superteams. I still believe that FNC, PRX, DRX, EG and LOUD are separated by razor thin margins and can all beat each other depending on how they're feeling on the day.
They look good against weaker teams and even the 3rd place teams from each region because they're confident in those matches. I think Boaster was respecting Loud's gameplan too much and let Loud take the game tempo, which is a playstyle they're not used to. If you compare it to their game against NRG they just walk into site and completely disrespect their setup.
Tbh watching Fnatic these two days feels like watching 2022 fnatic with new players. Just so little confidence.
well for me Loud countered and outaimed them..
In another words, it was not only like "FNC played bad", LOUD was on fire.
In EMEA FNC would win even playing a mid game, now to win they need to be 100% every single match.
but FNC can do a run in lower bracket and still be champions, but it will not be easy.
SamBR [#40]well for me Loud countered and outaimed them..
In another words, it was not only like "FNC played bad", LOUD was on fire.
In EMEA FNC would win even playing a mid game, now to win they need to be 100% every single match.
but FNC can do a run in lower bracket and still be champions, but it will not be easy.
I think Loud caught them on a bad day as well but that's what I mean when I say all these top teams are really close to each other.
I wouldn't necessarily say outaim but definitely antistratted. I noticed that a lot of the kills esp on Lotus was just on Fnatic players getting caught unaware/
Pondy [#41]I think Loud caught them on a bad day as well but that's what I mean when I say all these top teams are really close to each other.
I wouldn't necessarily say outaim but definitely antistratted. I noticed that a lot of the kills esp on Lotus was just on Fnatic players getting caught unaware/
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Witzzz [#14]Let Loud win another trophy. Then we can compare heights
they have a champs trophy, which is worth more than both of fnatic
Moiraine [#23]Yep that's what i'm saying
It's only Alfa winning duels consistently, everyone else is getting shit on.
I actually can't believe they havent changed anything the whole year. Oh well, next year eu will have other teams to support. I cba having to support fnc because the rest of emea is not good enough this year.Next year will be different. I personally think PRX win this champs, if not PRX then LOUD
Moraine is such a braindead moron
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