You think the first CSGO LAN in nearly 2 years will be anywhere close to the viewership of Iceland Valorant event?
obviously there is no co-stream, but I think if you only compare main stream vs main stream, I think IEM Cologne will win out
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People who are watching the co streams. Are there to watch the people who are doing the co stream. But also the game itself. Like if they are watching the game. Even though it's not their main priority. The fact there is that many of them still do watch the game. Unless they are just doing audio only which is sus.
Asphyxia [#3]People who are watching the co streams. Are there to watch the people who are doing the co stream. But also the game itself. Like if they are watching the game. Even though it's not their main priority. The fact there is that many of them still do watch the game. Unless they are just doing audio only which is sus.
The co streams are a part of the viewership honestly. It's like saying that other language streams don't count as viewership.
Asphyxia [#4]The co streams are a part of the viewership honestly. It's like saying that other language streams don't count as viewership.
hard to count it as 100% 'real' viewership IMO. It's obvious if Shroud dont stream, viewership just goes down a lot (like over 50% of shroud viewer dont tune in to main stream if Shroud not streaming VCT). It is not 'organic' so I dont want to count in my comparison. Like if Shroud stream IEM Cologene, his viewership will blow up like in VCT too
TinglyPiano [#6]hard to count it as 100% 'real' viewership IMO. It's obvious if Shroud dont stream, viewership just goes down a lot (like over 50% of shroud viewer dont tune in to main stream if Shroud not streaming VCT). It is not 'organic' so I dont want to count in my comparison. Like if Shroud stream IEM Cologene, his viewership will blow up like in VCT too
But the problem is that. There are many people who watch shroud's stream. for the game. At least that happens in a lot of my watch parties with friends. Because Shroud is just that popular.
Also one more thing. The streamers don't have to stream the game. They just get the rights to do so. You still see a ton of csgo streamers who stream csgo events and their viewership should still be considered real. Just like Pokimanes and Shrouds. Although I do think more of them do watch it for the personality. They also do watch it for the game. Because you can watch Shroud on any day even without the game and only like an eighth of the people watch Shroud when he doesn't stream the game. I do think it's not completely organic. But I still do think it should be counted.
bolardo [#2]Comparing main streams ofc, valorant viewership is carried by shroud,pokimane and tenz girlfriend LUL
u don't include gaules then, also kyedae couldn't even stream masters
Asphyxia [#3]People who are watching the co streams. Are there to watch the people who are doing the co stream. But also the game itself. Like if they are watching the game. Even though it's not their main priority. The fact there is that many of them still do watch the game. Unless they are just doing audio only which is sus.
Honestly, the only reason i watch co streams is because of the main stream's chat is retarded and disgusting af.
bolardo [#2]Comparing main streams ofc, valorant viewership is carried by shroud,pokimane and tenz girlfriend LUL
i like valorant but is this guy not spittin?
mattgg2015 [#11]iceland will obviously have more because of costreams... if costreams were banned then iceland wouldnt even hit 400k viewers
you really think a valorant masters would only double the viewership of BBL vs Liquid?
mattgg2015 [#12]i like valorant but is this guy not spittin?
but again shroud avg 330k views daily? i mean without riot perms he would be playin a game with 30k views
ihitthat [#14]but again shroud avg 330k views daily? i mean without riot perms he would be playin a game with 30k views
shroud usually gets 200-300k views for hyped up stuffs
Gomes255 [#13]you really think a valorant masters would only double the viewership of BBL vs Liquid?
BBL fans are insane if BBL quals then riot won't need costreams lmao
ranker11 [#16]BBL fans are insane if BBL quals then riot won't need costreams lmao
true i was baffled, they're insane in a good way, they are so passionate for their team and i still don't know how or why they have so many viewers/fans
ranker11 [#15]shroud usually gets 200-300k views for hyped up stuffs
at most 80k but he's usually around like 25-30k lol
This thread is so wrong in so many ways lmaooo shroud get 20-30k viewers playing valorant and while streaming watch partys i remember he had 350k viewers on the GF and LF (nu vs fnc) he has around 280k now imagine if TSM (TSM surely wont tho they go next year with a new roster) and BBL qualified for berlin thier fan base is mega huge atleast 1.5m viewers
Gomes255 [#18]true i was baffled, they're insane in a good way, they are so passionate for their team and i still don't know how or why they have so many viewers/fans
SMB will win though. BBL fans are delusional.
jkjk. I'm just trolling. I really do like the SMB roster though. Because I think the roster is just structured well so this can definitely last long and make an impact early. And BBL looks ehh to me rn.
Nice FPX flair though. I forgot to put my FPX flair on for a while so I'll put it back on. Because I put on my Fnatic flair when masters started.
ILL [#22]This thread is so wrong in so many ways lmaooo shroud get 20-30k viewers playing valorant and while streaming watch partys i remember he had 350k viewers on the GF and LF (nu vs fnc) he has around 280k now imagine if TSM (TSM surely wont tho they go next year with a new roster) and BBL qualified for berlin thier fan base is mega huge atleast 1.5m viewers
I doubt that both of those teams will qualify. I can imagine BBL qualifying this year. But I find it highly unlikely. And I don't imagine them surviving next year. TSM. If they make changes. Can most def qualy next year just because of their thicc budget. But also I don't think their management is good. If there is any.
Your points are right though.
ihitthat [#14]but again shroud avg 330k views daily? i mean without riot perms he would be playin a game with 30k views
This argument doesn't work because the main stream, without any costreamers, doesn't get any better numbers.
ILL [#22]This thread is so wrong in so many ways lmaooo shroud get 20-30k viewers playing valorant and while streaming watch partys i remember he had 350k viewers on the GF and LF (nu vs fnc) he has around 280k now imagine if TSM (TSM surely wont tho they go next year with a new roster) and BBL qualified for berlin thier fan base is mega huge atleast 1.5m viewers
Yeah but average quali game without shroud = 25k viewers
Average game with shroud = 150k viewers
It's not like these viewers get diverted back to the main stream once he doesn't stream.
Swiftmal12 [#21]at most 80k but he's usually around like 25-30k lol
what was the viewer count when he was streaming cyberpunk or twitch rivals? check that first
JokesOver [#30]not even 40k now for LAN sadge
its the play ins it will most likely go up to around 200k later in the bracket
Mdkns [#31]its the play ins it will most likely go up to around 200k later in the bracket
i though nip and device would bring some viewers
JokesOver [#32]i though nip and device would bring some viewers
not unless they are playing a good team LDLC are 42nd in the world
mattgg2015 [#11]iceland will obviously have more because of costreams... if costreams were banned then iceland wouldnt even hit 400k viewers
So without gaules cs viewers will be like 50k?
Iem cologne main stream getting 40k viewers...
Swear to god valo MAIN STREAM was getting 120K viewers (without watch partys frm shroud etc)
And ig 120k viewers in the TL vs V1 match...cuzz i don't remember seeing how much it did in the GF prolly 250k on mainstream 350k on shrouds...
Valo had total of 1.3m viewers on the GF day...
And it was the first LAN...i think valo has taken over the scene in all the regions except NA
hekzy [#27]Yeah but average quali game without shroud = 25k viewers
Average game with shroud = 150k viewers
It's not like these viewers get diverted back to the main stream once he doesn't stream.
Not really the VKS vs SEN one was getting 120k-140k on The MAIN stream
k1ng1namo [#35]So without gaules cs viewers will be like 50k?
Highest peak was 1.3m in the c9 vs faze bsoton major without gaules and before that 800~900k viewers so your wrong.
ILL [#36]Iem cologne main stream getting 40k viewers...
Swear to god valo MAIN STREAM was getting 120K viewers (without watch partys frm shroud etc)
And ig 120k viewers in the TL vs V1 match...cuzz i don't remember seeing how much it did in the GF prolly 250k on mainstream 350k on shrouds...
Valo had total of 1.3m viewers on the GF day...
And it was the first LAN...i think valo has taken over the scene in all the regions except NA
thats only the play-in no one cares about play in teams
ILL [#36]Iem cologne main stream getting 40k viewers...
Swear to god valo MAIN STREAM was getting 120K viewers (without watch partys frm shroud etc)
And ig 120k viewers in the TL vs V1 match...cuzz i don't remember seeing how much it did in the GF prolly 250k on mainstream 350k on shrouds...
Valo had total of 1.3m viewers on the GF day...
And it was the first LAN...i think valo has taken over the scene in all the regions except NA
Actually NA is the region where Valo has taken over , they dont have even have decent teams in CS
bolardo [#2]Comparing main streams ofc, valorant viewership is carried by shroud,pokimane and tenz girlfriend LUL
I don't get this argument at all. Why would anybody NOT want to watch Val esports on a co-stream channel? You get to watch the game and your fav streamer in one... It's more entertaining. It's not as if Shroud is doing something else other than watching it... you're acting as if it's sort of background noise to what he's actually doing, which isn't the case at all. I would be highly surprised if people just tune in to Shroud's channel just to watch him sitting there watching something else unless they are very enthused by Val esports.
ILL [#22]This thread is so wrong in so many ways lmaooo shroud get 20-30k viewers playing valorant and while streaming watch partys i remember he had 350k viewers on the GF and LF (nu vs fnc) he has around 280k now imagine if TSM (TSM surely wont tho they go next year with a new roster) and BBL qualified for berlin thier fan base is mega huge atleast 1.5m viewers
my whole point is that if shroud is not streaming, not all of his 350k viewer will tune in to the main stream instead. Most will not even watch it. Just see the viewership of NA VCT, when he dont stream, his 50k or so viewer dont translate to mainstream, only around 10-20k of them do
Asphyxia [#7]But the problem is that. There are many people who watch shroud's stream. for the game. At least that happens in a lot of my watch parties with friends. Because Shroud is just that popular.
Also one more thing. The streamers don't have to stream the game. They just get the rights to do so. You still see a ton of csgo streamers who stream csgo events and their viewership should still be considered real. Just like Pokimanes and Shrouds. Although I do think more of them do watch it for the personality. They also do watch it for the game. Because you can watch Shroud on any day even without the game and only like an eighth of the people watch Shroud when he doesn't stream the game. I do think it's not completely organic. But I still do think it should be counted.
what you say is true, but I am just looking at NA VCT viewer number for example.
If Shroud stream it, he get 50k+ views, but if he dont stream, not all 50k viewers go to the mainstream (more like 10-20k) just look at days that he didn't co-stream and u can see viewership of mainstream dont go up by 50k or anywhere close.
So people watch it like a 'react' video. sometimes you dont care a lot on the video they are reacting to, but you just want to see their reaction
ILL [#36]Iem cologne main stream getting 40k viewers...
Swear to god valo MAIN STREAM was getting 120K viewers (without watch partys frm shroud etc)
And ig 120k viewers in the TL vs V1 match...cuzz i don't remember seeing how much it did in the GF prolly 250k on mainstream 350k on shrouds...
Valo had total of 1.3m viewers on the GF day...
And it was the first LAN...i think valo has taken over the scene in all the regions except NA
But valorant is one of the few games NA is competitive in tho??? So if anything its only overtaken NA
Sunot [#38]Highest peak was 1.3m in the c9 vs faze bsoton major without gaules and before that 800~900k viewers so your wrong.
I think hes talking about now....not 3-4 years ago
wutfacelulkappa4head [#46]ofc CSGO is a much better game to watch at the top level
no offense but level of play in Valorant atm doesn't hold a candle to top teams in CS (Gambit and Navi). There's so many basic mistakes made by these so called "pro teams" it's hard to take them seriously
I agree that better players are in cs now but i would love to see them in valorant. Because valorant is so much more fun to watch and i like watching cs too
ShiningTyGuy [#47]I think hes talking about now....not 3-4 years ago
fair point, I guess we will see in the coming days. Right now it is up to almost 50k without gaules^
JokesOver [#48]I agree that better players are in cs now but i would love to see them in valorant. Because valorant is so much more fun to watch and i like watching cs too
no valorant is boring to watch atm
ascent is the only decent map, every other map its either close angles, close angles, or viper plant => afterplant
sova drone, sova dart, jett dash in, give up site -> retake
its so boring to watch
wutfacelulkappa4head [#50]no valorant is boring to watch atm
ascent is the only decent map, every other map its either close angles, close angles, or viper plant => afterplant
sova drone, sova dart, jett dash in, give up site -> retake
its so boring to watch
i am convinced u dont watch pro matches then
JokesOver [#51]i am convinced u dont watch pro matches then
truth hurts, but reality is that the meta in pro play is so predictable and boring
i play at high level in both games and watch both games, there were 0 interesting plays in last VCT masters. What was the most interesting play you remember from masters? Lakia jumping down from heaven? Yeah... its just a joke when it's the highest level of competition but people don't recall a single good play from the tournament, that's when you know it's boring
wutfacelulkappa4head [#52]truth hurts, but reality is that the meta in pro play is so predictable and boring
i play at high level in both games and watch both games, there were 0 interesting plays in last VCT masters. What was the most interesting play you remember from masters? Lakia jumping down from heaven? Yeah... its just a joke when it's the highest level of competition but people don't recall a single good play from the tournament, that's when you know it's boring
MFW someone defends the game that is updated once every 2 years but thinks Valorant is boring
some of the smoothbrains on this site man LOL
Mdkns [#53]MFW someone defends the game that is updated once every 2 years but thinks Valorant is boring
some of the smoothbrains on this site man LOL
he's clearly trying to bait
wutfacelulkappa4head [#52]truth hurts, but reality is that the meta in pro play is so predictable and boring
i play at high level in both games and watch both games, there were 0 interesting plays in last VCT masters. What was the most interesting play you remember from masters? Lakia jumping down from heaven? Yeah... its just a joke when it's the highest level of competition but people don't recall a single good play from the tournament, that's when you know it's boring
fnatic bind attack pistol 1st round i can say more but i know u are baiting so im not wasting more time
wutfacelulkappa4head [#52]truth hurts, but reality is that the meta in pro play is so predictable and boring
i play at high level in both games and watch both games, there were 0 interesting plays in last VCT masters. What was the most interesting play you remember from masters? Lakia jumping down from heaven? Yeah... its just a joke when it's the highest level of competition but people don't recall a single good play from the tournament, that's when you know it's boring
dapr clutch vs fnatic , derke clutch vs kru , shahzam clutch after getting concussed in grand finals and many more. only thing i remember from cs is the s1mple 1v4 at blast premier. CIS literally carriying the whole cs scene now
Mdkns [#53]MFW someone defends the game that is updated once every 2 years but thinks Valorant is boring
some of the smoothbrains on this site man LOL
unfortunately the number of updates doesn't dictate the amount of depth a game has
dota 2 pre 7.00 had more depth than post 7.00
its sad because you still can't bring up a single good play from the last masters xD... isn't it obvious? it's like no matter how many updates a game gets, if they don't improve the underlying mechanics or rework the maps, it will always be boring
it's like overwatch, it doesn't matter how many new things they add to the game, no one takes the game seriously
JokesOver [#56]dapr clutch vs fnatic , derke clutch vs kru , shahzam clutch after getting concussed in grand finals and many more. only thing i remember from cs is the s1mple 1v4 at blast premier. CIS literally carriying the whole cs scene now
there's nothing even remotely interesting about those clutches tho lol
since sentinels and fnatic are the only good teams, i'll use those examples
like the dapr clutch was him anchoring A site? like how is that even memorable? that happens like 2 days ago in my pub matches on split probably?
shahzam clutch, more interesting, though I can't really appreciate it as much since it was just a 1v2 and sprays are inherently very luck based in this game, so I'll give it maybe a 3/10 in terms of hype? The result was good but again, I really can't appreciate the play as much since spray is heavy RNG in this game and he did get lucky when you consider that
and also, a single play from s1mple was better than the entire VCT masters (btw, watch Hobbits 3 kill around on Dust 2 last tournament, it was a display of insane game sense + aim)
s1mple reads the situation like a book, cracks open the site by himself, wraps around to control, kills 1, fakes drop sound by shooting, and clutches 1v4. That's top tier play, not some random 1v2 in valorant that no one even remembers xD
wutfacelulkappa4head [#57]unfortunately the number of updates doesn't dictate the amount of depth a game has
dota 2 pre 7.00 had more depth than post 7.00
its sad because you still can't bring up a single good play from the last masters xD... isn't it obvious? it's like no matter how many updates a game gets, if they don't improve the underlying mechanics or rework the maps, it will always be boring
it's like overwatch, it doesn't matter how many new things they add to the game, no one takes the game seriously
Imma be honest after reading this I want to shoot myself LOL also "Nobody takes the overwatch seriously" ??? the fuck are you talking about lol its still a respected esport that averages good viewers every week also Valorant has much more depth than CS you fucking troglodyte. Also there is Like 10 plays from masters under me. PS youre just retarded
wutfacelulkappa4head [#58]there's nothing even remotely interesting about those clutches tho lol
since sentinels and fnatic are the only good teams, i'll use those examples
like the dapr clutch was him anchoring A site? like how is that even memorable? that happens like 2 days ago in my pub matches on split probably?
shahzam clutch, more interesting, though I can't really appreciate it as much since it was just a 1v2 and sprays are inherently very luck based in this game, so I'll give it maybe a 3/10 in terms of hype? The result was good but again, I really can't appreciate the play as much since spray is heavy RNG in this game and he did get lucky when you consider that
and also, a single play from s1mple was better than the entire VCT masters (btw, watch Hobbits 3 kill around on Dust 2 last tournament, it was a display of insane game sense + aim)
s1mple reads the situation like a book, cracks open the site by himself, wraps around to control, kills 1, fakes drop sound by shooting, and clutches 1v4. That's top tier play, not some random 1v2 in valorant that no one even remembers xD
"sprays are luck based" ??? how
mattgg2015 [#11]iceland will obviously have more because of costreams... if costreams were banned then iceland wouldnt even hit 400k viewers
It's true co stream led to 1M+ but without co stream it would still be 800k+. I think shroud and a japanese streamer had high views don't remember anyone elses
Mdkns [#60]"sprays are luck based" ??? how
because he's iron hardstuck and for irons everything is luck based , just spray and press W and hope a bullet connects
wutfacelulkappa4head [#58]there's nothing even remotely interesting about those clutches tho lol
since sentinels and fnatic are the only good teams, i'll use those examples
like the dapr clutch was him anchoring A site? like how is that even memorable? that happens like 2 days ago in my pub matches on split probably?
shahzam clutch, more interesting, though I can't really appreciate it as much since it was just a 1v2 and sprays are inherently very luck based in this game, so I'll give it maybe a 3/10 in terms of hype? The result was good but again, I really can't appreciate the play as much since spray is heavy RNG in this game and he did get lucky when you consider that
and also, a single play from s1mple was better than the entire VCT masters (btw, watch Hobbits 3 kill around on Dust 2 last tournament, it was a display of insane game sense + aim)
s1mple reads the situation like a book, cracks open the site by himself, wraps around to control, kills 1, fakes drop sound by shooting, and clutches 1v4. That's top tier play, not some random 1v2 in valorant that no one even remembers xD
The first few bullets have a spray pattern and then it becomes random . Also u clearly dont understand how the ability usage in valorant makes it so beautiful
Mdkns [#60]"sprays are luck based" ??? how
because it's RNG whether the gun goes left/right after the first 5-6 bullets, you will always miss a couple by nature of RNG.
You can eventually control it but never to degree of controlling the spray and making it headshot someone, so yes, it is a lot of luck in Valorant to get those 1v2 spray transfers on the head
JokesOver [#63]The first few bullets have a spray pattern and then it becomes random . Also u clearly dont understand how the ability usage in valorant makes it so beautiful
lmao go back and watch the play, he went from 18 bullets to 5 bullets, the RNG kicks in already by around 5-6. Yes, he did get very lucky in the spray to transfer to the other guy on the head immediately
wutfacelulkappa4head [#64]because it's RNG whether the gun goes left/right after the first 5-6 bullets, you will always miss a couple by nature of RNG.
You can eventually control it but never to degree of controlling the spray and making it headshot someone, so yes, it is a lot of luck in Valorant to get those 1v2 spray transfers on the head
You are not really supposed to spray transfer at all in valorant at all unless the players are right next to you are you sure LOL and If its luck then why are people able to consistently remain at the top in terms of headshot percentage
wutfacelulkappa4head [#64]because it's RNG whether the gun goes left/right after the first 5-6 bullets, you will always miss a couple by nature of RNG.
You can eventually control it but never to degree of controlling the spray and making it headshot someone, so yes, it is a lot of luck in Valorant to get those 1v2 spray transfers on the head
also stop baiting its cringe
Mdkns [#59]Imma be honest after reading this I want to shoot myself LOL also "Nobody takes the overwatch seriously" ??? the fuck are you talking about lol its still a respected esport that averages good viewers every week also Valorant has much more depth than CS you fucking troglodyte. Also there is Like 10 plays from masters under me. PS youre just retarded
again truth hurts, you can resort to insults all you want, doesn't change the fact that its a boring game
you say you have 10 palys from masters but never links them or brings them up, sums it up about your argument xD
anyway enjoy playing the game at silver-gold level or whatever, of course it'll be interesting for you. But for immortal - radiant level players like me who also play CSGO (esea rank A level) the game is extremely simple and low depth, I don't even tune in to anything besides masters because its same as watchin ESEA league games, just low skilled and boring
wutfacelulkappa4head [#65]lmao go back and watch the play, he went from 18 bullets to 5 bullets, the RNG kicks in already by around 5-6. Yes, he did get very lucky in the spray to transfer to the other guy on the head immediately
all u did was compare player skills all around . Thats what i said in the first place , i would love to see the players like s1mple in valorant .
Mdkns [#66]You are not really supposed to spray transfer at all in valorant at all unless the players are right next to you are you sure LOL and If its luck then why are people able to consistently remain at the top in terms of headshot percentage
because people generally don't spray in this game? it's easy to get headshots on first 5-6 bullets, beyond that, it's heavily luck based if you wanna spray transfer to another person and dink them on the head
thats the point, Shahzam got lucky with the spray transfer, which was the point of the post that you completely ignored xD
Mdkns [#60]"sprays are luck based" ??? how
that's what floppy says everyday "sprays are luck based" lmao
JokesOver [#69]all u did was compare player skills all around . Thats what i said in the first place , i would love to see the players like s1mple in valorant .
no thats in game mechanics, has nothing to do with the players skill, thats the point, dont you get it?
it doesn't matter the player, because this game BY DESIGN has a lot of RNG in its spray past 5-6 bullets, I can't appreciate plays like the one Shahzam did because I KNOW that it's insanely RNG based what he just did
it's like Hearthstone where best players have like 55% WR vs. much worse players, you just can't appreciate the good plays when it happens
THATS ON THE GAME, NOT THE PLAYER
ranker11 [#71]that's what floppy says everyday "sprays are luck based" lmao
the pros and top ranked players know this because it's something they deal with everyday
its the antithesis of skill, exist basically just to cater to casuals but lower integrity of top tier play
wutfacelulkappa4head [#72]no thats in game mechanics, has nothing to do with the players skill, thats the point, dont you get it?
it doesn't matter the player, because this game BY DESIGN has a lot of RNG in its spray past 5-6 bullets, I can't appreciate plays like the one Shahzam did because I KNOW that it's insanely RNG based what he just did
it's like Hearthstone where best players have like 55% WR vs. much worse players, you just can't appreciate the good plays when it happens
THATS ON THE GAME, NOT THE PLAYER
even though its rng after 5-6 bullets , u can control the spray by seeing the gun movements. And u have to remember this game is not CS, what matters here is reaction time and first bullet accuracy . The game was made for one taps and thats why the maps where made like that
wutfacelulkappa4head [#73]the pros and top ranked players know this because it's something they deal with everyday
its the antithesis of skill, exist basically just to cater to casuals but lower integrity of top tier play
yeah and floppy is like the worst addition to C9 kekw
TinglyPiano [#74]Guys even if you are tempted, please dont watch the ESL_CSGO stream! We cant let them win! Don't be a traitor!
LMAO WHY TF ARE YOU SO U INSECURE???
JokesOver [#75]even though its rng after 5-6 bullets , u can control the spray by seeing the gun movements. And u have to remember this game is not CS, what matters here is reaction time and first bullet accuracy . The game was made for one taps and thats why the maps where made like that
why tf are you just repeating what I said? like do you have some sort of reading comprehension issue?
I AM EXPLAINING HOW RNG IN VALORANT WORKS BECAUSE YOU POSTED SHAHZAMS PLAY
which I dissected why that play was not very interesting, since it's completely base around the game's design decision of making spray RNG
YOU CAN CONTROL THE SPRAY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE
but never in the same sense where you're spray trasnfering to some1s head instantly, that's just RNG for you. Do you get it now?
ranker11 [#76]yeah and floppy is like the worst addition to C9 kekw
it's not just floppy literally every pro will say the same thing lol
which demographics do you think care about high skill mechanics more? pros or random silvers or golds on the forum?
wutfacelulkappa4head [#78]why tf are you just repeating what I said? like do you have some sort of reading comprehension issue?
I AM EXPLAINING HOW RNG IN VALORANT WORKS BECAUSE YOU POSTED SHAHZAMS PLAY
which I dissected why that play was not very interesting, since it's completely base around the game's design decision of making spray RNG
YOU CAN CONTROL THE SPRAY TO A CERTAIN DEGREE
but never in the same sense where you're spray trasnfering to some1s head instantly, that's just RNG for you. Do you get it now?
the whole point i made was valorant is more fun to watch then cs . stop being a dumbass . u can always check the first comment i made
JokesOver [#80]the whole point i made was valorant is more fun to watch then cs . stop being a dumbass . u can always check the first comment i made
I mean again for silvers and golds, if you think RNG mechanics are "more fun to watch" i dunno what to tell you
maybe hearthstones the game for you xD?
wutfacelulkappa4head [#81]I mean again for silvers and golds, if you think RNG mechanics are "more fun to watch" i dunno what to tell you
maybe hearthstones the game for you xD?
the problem is you want valorant to be cs . you dont realise its a whole different game
JokesOver [#82]the problem is you want valorant to be cs . you dont realise its a whole different game
it's not a whole different game, they basically used CSGO as a reference point
what they did wrong was introduce things like RNG spray that should never be in a competitive game, which makes the game boring to watch
theres other things they should fix too, just because it's in the game doesn't mean it's good lol
contrary to popular belief, there's good things and bad things, not just different things, that's just what low iq ppl says when they can't think critically about why things are in the game the way they are
wutfacelulkappa4head [#83]it's not a whole different game, they basically used CSGO as a reference point
what they did wrong was introduce things like RNG spray that should never be in a competitive game, which makes the game boring to watch
theres other things they should fix too, just because it's in the game doesn't mean it's good lol
contrary to popular belief, there's good things and bad things, not just different things, that's just what low iq ppl says when they can't think critically about why things are in the game the way they are
by what you are saying there is zero rng in cs?
wutfacelulkappa4head [#83]it's not a whole different game, they basically used CSGO as a reference point
what they did wrong was introduce things like RNG spray that should never be in a competitive game, which makes the game boring to watch
theres other things they should fix too, just because it's in the game doesn't mean it's good lol
contrary to popular belief, there's good things and bad things, not just different things, that's just what low iq ppl says when they can't think critically about why things are in the game the way they are
And the jumping no scopes with the awp is very skill based according to you
JokesOver [#84]by what you are saying there is zero rng in cs?
when did I say that? I didn't bring up Coldzeras jumping awp as a play that makes the game "interesting" though did I? lol
thats the problem with Valorant though, you can't appreciate a simple 1v2 spray transfer because even a simple thing such as spray transfer is so RNG in this game
wutfacelulkappa4head [#86]when did I say that? I didn't bring up Coldzeras jumping awp as a play that makes the game "interesting" though did I? lol
thats the problem with Valorant though, you can't appreciate a simple 1v2 spray transfer because even a simple thing such as spray transfer is so RNG in this game
thats what i said . this game isnt cs . its not about spraying . if you get triggered getting rng sprayed in valorant . you must clearly hate how accurate the rng no scope of awp is in cs
JokesOver [#87]thats what i said . this game isnt cs . its not about spraying . if you get triggered getting rng sprayed in valorant . you must clearly hate how accurate the rng no scope of awp is in cs
nah no scope awp is "right" in terms of trade off and reward
tbh I probably get more spray transfer kills than most ppl in Valorant since I attempt it more than others so it's more like me triggering other ppl if anything
in terms of pro plays it's not the kill that matters, it's the game design and why they put it in there, and end result is that it makes pro plays boring to watch even when it does happen
you bring that up as "one of the most interesting plays in VCT masters" when reality it's just a very boring play, sums it up about the top level plays in Valorant amirite? xD
wutfacelulkappa4head [#88]nah no scope awp is "right" in terms of trade off and reward
tbh I probably get more spray transfer kills than most ppl in Valorant since I attempt it more than others so it's more like me triggering other ppl if anything
in terms of pro plays it's not the kill that matters, it's the game design and why they put it in there, and end result is that it makes pro plays boring to watch even when it does happen
you bring that up as "one of the most interesting plays in VCT masters" when reality it's just a very boring play, sums it up about the top level plays in Valorant amirite? xD
COPIUM for u i guess
wutfacelulkappa4head [#68]again truth hurts, you can resort to insults all you want, doesn't change the fact that its a boring game
you say you have 10 palys from masters but never links them or brings them up, sums it up about your argument xD
anyway enjoy playing the game at silver-gold level or whatever, of course it'll be interesting for you. But for immortal - radiant level players like me who also play CSGO (esea rank A level) the game is extremely simple and low depth, I don't even tune in to anything besides masters because its same as watchin ESEA league games, just low skilled and boring
just as there's a diff between faceit and pros in cs, there's a diff in radiant and a pro.
You have 0 clue abt depth in pro play in val, coaches try to constantly bring up new comps, combinations of mixing agents utility( sage ult and brims ult etc,) anti strating specific timings of rotations( watch fnc haven boasters lurk), fnatic's insane setups and more
Lets see the depth in cs, the same old 5 strats in dust 2?, what can u even bring anything new to cs. U cant deny all the permuations which u can do in valorant considering the agents and u may think only certain agents are viable in certain maps, its false coz if u are a super nerd u can make any comp work.
The meta always shifts bcoz of the updates u can bring to val and teams are in a flux of trying it out themselves and with pro teams.
All of these makes the game more exhilarating and the possibilities are endless in val which makes it tactically superior to cs.
Sunot [#49]fair point, I guess we will see in the coming days. Right now it is up to almost 50k without gaules^
yea its only play-ins tho too. People get too caught up in the viewer count. It is a reliable statistics on the health of an esports but I feel some people take it personally if a different esport is doing better than the one they watch
bolardo [#2]Comparing main streams ofc, valorant viewership is carried by shroud,pokimane and tenz girlfriend LUL
if there's no shroud and others, more ppl would watch main stream
TinglyPiano [#43]my whole point is that if shroud is not streaming, not all of his 350k viewer will tune in to the main stream instead. Most will not even watch it. Just see the viewership of NA VCT, when he dont stream, his 50k or so viewer dont translate to mainstream, only around 10-20k of them do
DONT YOU GET IT
SHROUD WAS STREAMIN THE GF ALONG WITH THE MAIN STREAM AND THEY WERE GETTING 400K AND 180K VIEWS RESPECTIVELY
SO HOW U SAYING THAT VIEWRS WILL BE WAY LESSER???
MAINSTREAM WAS GETTING 180K EVEN WHEN SHROUD WAS STREAMING AND GETTING 400K
Mrityunjay [#41]Actually NA is the region where Valo has taken over , they dont have even have decent teams in CS
SEA JPN ?
ntnoob [#95]Navi vs Liquid will get a milliion
SEN VS G2 would prolly hit a milli too cuzz SEN VS FNC got like 900k
bolardo [#2]Comparing main streams ofc, valorant viewership is carried by shroud,pokimane and tenz girlfriend LUL
IF streamers had not stremed ,obviously valorant had more
ShiningTyGuy [#93]yea its only play-ins tho too. People get too caught up in the viewer count. It is a reliable statistics on the health of an esports but I feel some people take it personally if a different esport is doing better than the one they watch
agreed, I think everyone just needs to calm down lol
ihitthat [#5]idc if cs wins its 20 year old game ppl who says valo get carried by co stream once again shroud doesnt avg 30k views daily so thx to riot for allowin him it helped shroud too
true, and if CSGO allowed or had any popular streamer that wanted to co-stream, the main stream would split also. Gaules robs the mainstream of at least 50k people, the thing is that Valorant has more co-streamers, wich makes the mainstream has less viewers. Who the fuck wouldn't want to watch the match with special commentary of a player or a person you like? Mainstreams are a thing of the past, internet personalities co-streaming is the future, Gaules started that in CS, shroud is keeping it in Valorant and expanding.
Sunot [#49]fair point, I guess we will see in the coming days. Right now it is up to almost 50k without gaules^
Gaules by himeself generates 100k viewers for BR matches, mostly OPLANO's matches, normaly he avarages 25~40k viewers, so Gaules is literally bigger than CS itself in Brazil, he brings at least 50k viewers to a match.
ranker11 [#61]It's true co stream led to 1M+ but without co stream it would still be 800k+. I think shroud and a japanese streamer had high views don't remember anyone elses
The thing is that Gaules started this co-stream thing with CS, Shroud is keeping that up in valorant and expanding even further. Who the hell wouldn't want to watch the game with special commentary of a former player/ internet personality you like? Co-streams are the future, main streams will have less and less viewers as time goes by.
gweees [#17]gaules will probably co stream some of it
Yes, he got permission from riot at the final weeknd of Iceland, he for sure will co-stream berlin. The views are going to skyrocket with Gaules and Shround streaming. That's insane.
ZoZ_QoX [#90]just as there's a diff between faceit and pros in cs, there's a diff in radiant and a pro.
You have 0 clue abt depth in pro play in val, coaches try to constantly bring up new comps, combinations of mixing agents utility( sage ult and brims ult etc,) anti strating specific timings of rotations( watch fnc haven boasters lurk), fnatic's insane setups and more
Lets see the depth in cs, the same old 5 strats in dust 2?, what can u even bring anything new to cs. U cant deny all the permuations which u can do in valorant considering the agents and u may think only certain agents are viable in certain maps, its false coz if u are a super nerd u can make any comp work.
The meta always shifts bcoz of the updates u can bring to val and teams are in a flux of trying it out themselves and with pro teams.
All of these makes the game more exhilarating and the possibilities are endless in val which makes it tactically superior to cs.
Then how come the game is dominated by ex tier800 garbage teams and players from CS? Literally the whole pro scene in valorant is washed up players who weren't good enough, as well as washed up coaches.
You don't know what depth is, clearly. Depth is created by the pro scene, not by the devs. And as of now, the pro scene is an embarrassment.
anothervlruser [#55]fnatic bind attack pistol 1st round i can say more but i know u are baiting so im not wasting more time
I don't remember that. They won a pistol round?
JokesOver [#69]all u did was compare player skills all around . Thats what i said in the first place , i would love to see the players like s1mple in valorant .
Maybe you should see valorant pros play CS. There's plenty of footage for that. Just search "most stupid fails in NA cs" and you'll find all your valorant heroes.
NEYMAR [#103]Gaules by himeself generates 100k viewers for BR matches, mostly OPLANO's matches, normaly he avarages 25~40k viewers, so Gaules is literally bigger than CS itself in Brazil, he brings at least 50k viewers to a match.
yes but we did not need gaules to reach 1 million viewers. Can you understand me?
Sunot [#111]yes but we did not need gaules to reach 1 million viewers. Can you understand me?
The past is the past. We are never going back to that time with prime VP, Astralis, NIP, SK, FNATIC, that's a long time ago.
ZoZ_QoX [#90]just as there's a diff between faceit and pros in cs, there's a diff in radiant and a pro.
You have 0 clue abt depth in pro play in val, coaches try to constantly bring up new comps, combinations of mixing agents utility( sage ult and brims ult etc,) anti strating specific timings of rotations( watch fnc haven boasters lurk), fnatic's insane setups and more
Lets see the depth in cs, the same old 5 strats in dust 2?, what can u even bring anything new to cs. U cant deny all the permuations which u can do in valorant considering the agents and u may think only certain agents are viable in certain maps, its false coz if u are a super nerd u can make any comp work.
The meta always shifts bcoz of the updates u can bring to val and teams are in a flux of trying it out themselves and with pro teams.
All of these makes the game more exhilarating and the possibilities are endless in val which makes it tactically superior to cs.
lmao everyone and their grandmas know which agents are good on which maps
this isn't statistics where you have A agents and B maps you have A choose 5 agents or whatever retard stat you're trying to pull
you MUST have viper on icebox and breeze
you MUST have sova/skye every map
you MUST run jett MOST maps
...
there's not many possibilities at the end of the day because pros will just use whatever agents best on a map, and in Valorant that's extremely easy to figure out
also ON TOP of that most agents are dumbed down versions of nade/flashbang/smokes which makes them have even less depth
just by judging off of your "there's agents and abilities in Valorant" i can tell you're not a very good player, because most pros and top ranked players know even on utilities side it's even easier than CS xD
TinglyPiano [#44]what you say is true, but I am just looking at NA VCT viewer number for example.
If Shroud stream it, he get 50k+ views, but if he dont stream, not all 50k viewers go to the mainstream (more like 10-20k) just look at days that he didn't co-stream and u can see viewership of mainstream dont go up by 50k or anywhere close.
So people watch it like a 'react' video. sometimes you dont care a lot on the video they are reacting to, but you just want to see their reaction
That makes sense. But there are still people who watch the streams for the gameplay. And the streamer. I think it'd still be disingenuous for at least half of those viewer numbers to not count.
People seem to completely miss Youtube viewers. While it isn't as much as twitch. There is a noticeable percentage that watch from there. There was almost 20K for the SEN vs Soniqs game a couple days ago just on Youtube. While that is lower that Twitch obviously, that is a healthy portion of the audience not to forget.
Anyways, I don't know why people focus on finding a winner in viewership when both games are healthy. Both games can live happily together. It's silly to argue over viewership to the point where you are debating what percentage of co-streams viewers are "real" viewers and which aren't.
wutfacelulkappa4head [#114]lmao everyone and their grandmas know which agents are good on which maps
this isn't statistics where you have A agents and B maps you have A choose 5 agents or whatever retard stat you're trying to pull
you MUST have viper on icebox and breeze
you MUST have sova/skye every map
you MUST run jett MOST maps
...
there's not many possibilities at the end of the day because pros will just use whatever agents best on a map, and in Valorant that's extremely easy to figure out
also ON TOP of that most agents are dumbed down versions of nade/flashbang/smokes which makes them have even less depth
just by judging off of your "there's agents and abilities in Valorant" i can tell you're not a very good player, because most pros and top ranked players know even on utilities side it's even easier than CS xD
hmm so u most know what coaches and analyst do in their prac hours. Its not just you but most wont knows it bcoz they dont watch coaches stream. They experiment with quite a bit stuff like double triple initaor comps, 0 smokers, 3 duelists and so on, There are so many things which they put it out on paper looks good and test it in scrim box. Hours of vod reviewing, anti strating and goes on in which shows there sure is depth in the game which u cant deny
u r ASSUMING things which i haven't said and confusing it with terms like utility usage and strat calling. ik for a fact that cs is much harder both pro play and ranked and i never said it wasnt.
My arguments whole premise was that u make it seem like val is all roses and diamonds where u hop into a pro scene's match and thats it.
Edit: im referring to EU teams
anothervlruser [#113]they won 4/6 pistols
wtf. cognitive dissonance in play. i remember them losing all pistol rounds against KRU and then thought they were never gonna win one
i only remembered them winning the second one on bind and then losing the anti-eco after
hekzy [#119]wtf. cognitive dissonance in play. i remember them losing all pistol rounds against KRU and then thought they were never gonna win one
i only remembered them winning the second one on bind and then losing the anti-eco after
yeah i feelthat first impression
supernova [#121]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2021-stage-2-masters-reykjavik
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Lets remove all co-streams lets see who get more views :D
guyphoe [#125]did you book mark this?
first search result somehow and thought would be funny to see if valo fans really dont care about viewers
Many of the costream viewers are there watching the person, but not one can deny a big part of those would watch the game anyway, especially when is someone Valorant related. I watch co streams, cuz I guess the same experience plus I can hear an extra opinion, but I would definitely watch the game anyway
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