EG should win because if a 4th EU team shows to Champs it would be the biggest waste of a slot ever. id rather riot just give China another unearned freebie than see another EU team at Champs
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The main issue if EMEA wins is that quite literally every other team would be better off quitting LCQ since it will 100% be Giants and Navi. BBL, Heretics, Koi, and KC are 4 of the bottom 7 teams in Franchising. At least in Pacific we could get some cool shit from Zeta, Gen.G, GE or Talon to pop out of nowhere and challenge secret. But in AM, C9 is a masters level team already, it'd be awesome to see Sen battle Furia or Lev to see who is the best team after C9.
Wronghand [#5]The main issue if EMEA wins is that quite literally every other team would be better off quitting LCQ since it will 100% be Giants and Navi. BBL, Heretics, Koi, and KC are 4 of the bottom 7 teams in Franchising. At least in Pacific we could get some cool shit from Zeta, Gen.G, GE or Talon to pop out of nowhere and challenge secret. But in AM, C9 is a masters level team already, it'd be awesome to see Sen battle Furia or Lev to see who is the best team after C9.
You say that but if navi play as bad as they were playing at masters anything can happen don’t forget eg were once thought of as the one of the worst teams in franchising and look at them now all the emea teams have at least 1 or 2 great individual player or players on their team if they start actually using these players right you never know what could happen.
I mean look at koi their team is stacked sheydos, starxo and trexx as well as a pretty good igl and a duelist that is when he’s playing his best he is actually pretty decent as well if they sort out their role issues I guess is what I would call it and start to work as a team they should be pretty good
Asuna_Yuuki [#3]Factual
EMEA is a one team region and anyone who disagrees is in denial
emea having the best team in the world doesn't = everyone else in the region being bad, it just shows them as bad because the best team in the world rn is in their region, everyone in NA looked horrible compared to optic, everyone in Pacific looked horrible when DRX was good and so forth.
Bonkbonk201 [#8]emea having the best team in the world doesn't = everyone else in the region being bad, it just shows them as bad because the best team in the world rn is in their region, everyone in NA looked horrible compared to optic, everyone in Pacific looked horrible when DRX was good and so forth.
FUT and Navi grouped bro
Asuna_Yuuki [#3]Factual
EMEA is a one team region and anyone who disagrees is in denial
As of right now yes, they were no doubt the best region before but this masters has shown that NA diffs EU as far as depth of the region. EG was a nobody a month ago, and they beat Liquid and FUT. They almost beat FNC, so it shows in the results. C9, M80 prolly win these games too.
It's ok to cope EU, you still have the #1 team but not region itw.
BadlandsChugs [#7]I'm sad vitality dropped out, they deserve it after what they've been through
vitality said their players were experiencing extreme grief so theres a chance that they wouldnt do so well, sad situation
Bonkbonk201 [#8]emea having the best team in the world doesn't = everyone else in the region being bad, it just shows them as bad because the best team in the world rn is in their region, everyone in NA looked horrible compared to optic, everyone in Pacific looked horrible when DRX was good and so forth.
TL NAVi and FUT weren’t able to beat a single Pacific/Americas team
Overall, Americas is much stronger with more depth we saw that at Lock in
Also the last time an NON-FNC EMEA team has beaten NA was at Xset vs FPX at Champs
Overall, Americas has dominated EMEA recently
I’m using international results to justify my argument, not domestic results
Wronghand [#5]The main issue if EMEA wins is that quite literally every other team would be better off quitting LCQ since it will 100% be Giants and Navi. BBL, Heretics, Koi, and KC are 4 of the bottom 7 teams in Franchising. At least in Pacific we could get some cool shit from Zeta, Gen.G, GE or Talon to pop out of nowhere and challenge secret. But in AM, C9 is a masters level team already, it'd be awesome to see Sen battle Furia or Lev to see who is the best team after C9.
Wdym quitting LCQ? There's always a chance, Giants aren't even much better than the rest of EMEA teams.
"4 of the bottom 7 teams in franchising" cope, BBL/KOI/Heretics are better than KRU, MIBR, Detonation, GE, RRQ, Talon, Secret and Gen.G.
_RAT_ [#10]As of right now yes, they were no doubt the best region before but this masters has shown that NA diffs EU as far as depth of the region. EG was a nobody a month ago, and they beat Liquid and FUT. They almost beat FNC, so it shows in the results. C9, M80 prolly win these games too.
It's ok to cope EU, you still have the #1 team but not region itw.
You're the one coping. It doesn't matter how deep NA is, only winner gets an LCQ slot for their region.
Asuna_Yuuki [#14]TL NAVi and FUT weren’t able to beat a single Pacific/Americas team
Overall, Americas is much stronger with more depth we saw that at Lock in
Also the last time an NON-FNC EMEA team has beaten NA was at Xset vs FPX at Champs
Overall, Americas has dominated EMEA recently
I’m using international results to justify my argument, not domestic results
i swear people like u are just so lost on what matters, u refused to answer the question with mindless facts about regions and current performance, while also acting as though it was relevant to what i said, didn't answer the question i asked and genuinely still think u have an argument, but i'll entertain it anyway
Argument 1, "TL Navi and Fut weren't able to beat a single pacific/america's team" 1st of all, TL played EG who currently look 2nd/3rd best in the world due to standings, same with NRG who they played lower bracket, Same exact thing happened with FUT only they had to play EG and then DRX, 2 world class S tier teams, Same exact thing happened with navi only they were playing against EDG instead of an S tier team, a team which is prep heavy went against a team they have seen legitimately nothing of because they are a completely new team, u can argue that Navi just played badly as well, everyone has off days fair enough
the argument that "America's in much stronger with more depth" may be true, but once again, the evidence that u use to corroborate that is the 2nd and 3rd best team ITW right now beat them.
u can say whatever u want as proof, but try to make evidence that actually makes any logical sense at all in the future, it took me 10 minutes of research to break your points in 2 and make them invalid.
Asuna_Yuuki [#14]TL NAVi and FUT weren’t able to beat a single Pacific/Americas team
Overall, Americas is much stronger with more depth we saw that at Lock in
Also the last time an NON-FNC EMEA team has beaten NA was at Xset vs FPX at Champs
Overall, Americas has dominated EMEA recently
I’m using international results to justify my argument, not domestic results
i could on top of this all argue the NRG excuse that "lock/in wasn't valid event bc no one could prep for it" but of course someone who supports NA wouldn't want to bring up the fact that their own "best team in the region right now" was arguing because they couldn't prep for an event, if u only look at facts from 1 side, u will get a 1 sided opinion, that's how it works
Bonkbonk201 [#8]emea having the best team in the world doesn't = everyone else in the region being bad, it just shows them as bad because the best team in the world rn is in their region, everyone in NA looked horrible compared to optic, everyone in Pacific looked horrible when DRX was good and so forth.
wtf are you trying to say im confused
Congo1 [#13]EMEA gaps your region. Your best team being in groups is polishing the stats
Dawg NAVI and FUT got grouped and TL got absolutely mopped by EG and NRG
Factual and reasonable. We have created a super team in EMEA at the cost of rest of the region being worse than Tier 3 Americas. At this point, I would rate the Americas league to be more prestigious and valuable than Masters or even Champs because honestly only top tier teams they are missing is Fnatic and maybe PRX.
keener1600 [#19]wtf are you trying to say im confused
that u can argue absolutely anything and just because it can be argued for doesn't make it right or truthful
Asuna_Yuuki [#3]Factual
EMEA is a one team region and anyone who disagrees is in denial
But Liquid got like 5th. EMEA is ass but Liquid is still a really strong team
Bonkbonk201 [#22]that u can argue absolutely anything and just because it can be argued for doesn't make it right or truthful
i also did some extra research and it showed the "no emea team other than fnatic has beaten NA" but navi made it to top 4 of lock/in so clearly they beat some NA teams given some weren't in top 4, like the logic is just sad at that point, it doesn't matter what region u play against, u win or lose games, it's that simple, this whole "region is better" is just people who have way too much external pride due to their region rather than actually just supporting a team and sticking with them.
Bonkbonk201 [#12]so they played bad, what does that show?
?? was that supposed to be a rebuttal? lmao
Olofboost [#16]You're the one coping. It doesn't matter how deep NA is, only winner gets an LCQ slot for their region.
didn't listen to my post never talked about whos gonna get the slot. Im saying EU doesn't deserve it.
Bonkbonk201 [#22]that u can argue absolutely anything and just because it can be argued for doesn't make it right or truthful
I cant understand what you said even if I wanted to because its incoherent and makes no sense
keener1600 [#27]I cant understand what you said even if I wanted to because its incoherent and makes no sense
good for you
Olofboost [#15]Wdym quitting LCQ? There's always a chance, Giants aren't even much better than the rest of EMEA teams.
"4 of the bottom 7 teams in franchising" cope, BBL/KOI/Heretics are better than KRU, MIBR, Detonation, GE, RRQ, Talon, Secret and Gen.G.
Krü and MIBR would slam those frauds
_RAT_ [#26]didn't listen to my post never talked about whos gonna get the slot. Im saying EU doesn't deserve it.
EMEA does deserve it. Our 5th team (Giants) is better than Pacific's 4th, at the very least.
Olofboost [#15]Wdym quitting LCQ? There's always a chance, Giants aren't even much better than the rest of EMEA teams.
"4 of the bottom 7 teams in franchising" cope, BBL/KOI/Heretics are better than KRU, MIBR, Detonation, GE, RRQ, Talon, Secret and Gen.G.
I'm glad to know you have never watched a single game of Pacific.
Bonkbonk201 [#36]"they're bad" and "they played bad" are two very different sentences, i suggest u go back to school
also clearly since nrg played badly at the start of masters split it makes them bad now off the logic that if u place bad u are just bad
Yes but atleast they made it to playoffs and made it to top 4
Bonkbonk201 [#18]i could on top of this all argue the NRG excuse that "lock/in wasn't valid event bc no one could prep for it" but of course someone who supports NA wouldn't want to bring up the fact that their own "best team in the region right now" was arguing because they couldn't prep for an event, if u only look at facts from 1 side, u will get a 1 sided opinion, that's how it works
Bro wdym the “NRG excuse”?
Blud is just making stuff up now LOCK IN was a valid event
Olofboost [#32]EMEA does deserve it. Our 5th team (Giants) is better than Pacific's 4th, at the very least.
EMEA doesnt deserve it more than Americas though
Asuna_Yuuki [#38]Bro wdym the “NRG excuse”?
Blud is just making stuff up now LOCK IN was a valid event
if u seriously don't know what I'm referencing, I suggest u get more well versed on the scene and stop arguing a point u don't know about then
Bonkbonk201 [#40]if u seriously don't know what I'm referencing, I suggest u get more well versed on the scene and stop arguing a point u don't know about then
If you’re talking about the people who claim that LOCK IN was a mickey mouse tourney, then why are you calling it the “NRG excuse”
It has literally nothing to do with NRG
Asuna_Yuuki [#39]EMEA doesnt deserve it more than Americas though
There's no proof of 5th Americas team being better than 5th EMEA team
Mortadelo [#34]Well hate to break it to you but it’s actually 5th slot, not 4th
Either of BBL/KC/KOI/TH/Giants will be at Tokyo if FNC wins
Navi is not guaranteed
Olofboost [#15]Wdym quitting LCQ? There's always a chance, Giants aren't even much better than the rest of EMEA teams.
"4 of the bottom 7 teams in franchising" cope, BBL/KOI/Heretics are better than KRU, MIBR, Detonation, GE, RRQ, Talon, Secret and Gen.G.
Talon is just trolling w their ever-changing agent comp. Team secret is rly strong and defeated both drx and prx. In any case pacific isn’t even that bad
Wronghand [#35]I'm glad to know you have never watched a single game of Pacific.
I did watch, they're that bad. Even T1 didn't really deserve Masters compared to Cloud9 or Vitality
AndrewDaDawg [#45]Talon is just trolling w their ever-changing agent comp. Team secret is rly strong and defeated both drx and prx. In any case pacific isn’t even that bad
Secret boomers can't aim at all, yet placed 5th-6th in the league. Shows how bad everyone is.
Olofboost [#42]There's no proof of 5th Americas team being better than 5th EMEA team
honestly AM deserves it more
too bad we wont get to see vit play
overall am is better but emea #1 is better than all of americas
Crypto_816 [#50]True. I would want either PRX or EG to win. There are so many good teams in both Americas and Pacific and so many entertaining teams. Lets just pray for FNCs downfall
Hard to beat them when they got map advantage...
B1itz [#23]But Liquid got like 5th. EMEA is ass but Liquid is still a really strong team
don’t overate them they will never be contenders if the calling isnt fixed
Even Potter called it out as it is they got aimers just depends on if they hitting, if not might as well be GG against a structured team.
mrGoudas [#2]Eg aint making grandfinals lil bro, pubg streamer too much for na
honestly. if paper rex won it all with a sub i’m down for that
Olofboost [#42]There's no proof of 5th Americas team being better than 5th EMEA team
The proof is that Americas tokyo representatives, actually had to struggle to make it to Tokyo unlike EMEA
Olofboost [#47]Secret boomers can't aim at all, yet placed 5th-6th in the league. Shows how bad everyone is.
didnt secret boomers beat your top seed???? show some respect
kirito5133 [#58]didnt secret boomers beat your top seed???? show some respect
Lock-In doesn't count, it was a fluke performance
Asuna_Yuuki [#57]The proof is that Americas tokyo representatives, actually had to struggle to make it to Tokyo unlike EMEA
You're saying as if FUT, Navi didn't struggle. Vitality and Giants are not easy opponents.
Olofboost [#63]You're saying as if FUT, Navi didn't struggle. Vitality and Giants are not easy opponents.
NaVi made it to Tokyo easily with an easy 2-0 win over Giants
FUT also got a fairly simple win over VIT
Compare it to a team like NRG or EG that had to grind to make it to tokyo
Asuna_Yuuki [#64]NaVi made it to Tokyo easily with an easy 2-0 win over Giants
FUT also got a fairly simple win over VIT
Compare it to a team like NRG or EG that had to grind to make it to tokyo
Yes, because Americas had only 3 slots. I agree you must've had 4, but not more than EMEA.
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