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#1
Shidoh

FNATIC would be a better team today had they played in a real league
farming bots did no good to them

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Yistyy
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Not a hot take, we all know this by now

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I mean bro the statement is obv no? Like if a team plays in a harder more competitive LEAGUE, it forces them to improve to keep up since the competition is harder and if they don't than they will be left behind. Honestly I think thats why EG is lowkey so good. They literally were playing the LOUDs NRGs C9, KRU, etc... They were be being challenged every week so they were forced to improve. Irons sharpens Iron. I mean EG beat C9 and NRG aswell.

But yeh don't get me wrong ur right. Had FNATIC played in AMERICAS or just in a league with harder competition it def wouldve helped them cause other better teams wouldve def exploited them on their mistakes and potentially have beat them more.

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The LOUD rematch vs FNC would be a convincing win for LOUD at this point. I mean let’s not forget the 11-3 in the first place before the choke, but LOUD dominated americas and look at the damage those teams are doing here

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DIEM
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True, FNATIC should play in VCT Antarctica League to fight real competition!!!

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kqly_was_framed [#4]

The LOUD rematch vs FNC would be a convincing win for LOUD at this point. I mean let’s not forget the 11-3 in the first place before the choke, but LOUD dominated americas and look at the damage those teams are doing here

I was about to get on ur ass but then I realized u said Americas... and im an NRG/LOUD fan(nrg fan 1st though). I mean yeh they did really well but dominated is a strong word, i wouldnt say dominate but yeh they are insane.

Also why do you think it would be a convincing win, like im def not against the fact that LOUD can beat FNATIC cause they DEF can. But to say it will be convincing is kinda disrespectful to FNATIC imo. Like any team that can beat FNATIC in my head, it will ALWAYS be a close/banger of game. I don't think it will ever be like super super convincing like FNATIC straight up looked like the worst team. Their talent + strats just make it seem impossible for them to be convincingly won on.

But I do agree LOUD def have the best chance of winning against them I feel like.

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Golemaxxx
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Still enough to clear y'all

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PoloSway [#6]

I was about to get on ur ass but then I realized u said Americas... and im an NRG/LOUD fan(nrg fan 1st though). I mean yeh they did really well but dominated is a strong word, i wouldnt say dominate but yeh they are insane.

Also why do you think it would be a convincing win, like im def not against the fact that LOUD can beat FNATIC cause they DEF can. But to say it will be convincing is kinda disrespectful to FNATIC imo. Like any team that can beat FNATIC in my head, it will ALWAYS be a close/banger of game. I don't think it will ever be like super super convincing like FNATIC straight up looked like the worst team. Their talent + strats just make it seem impossible for them to be convincingly won on.

But I do agree LOUD def have the best chance of winning against them I feel like.

I mean convincing doesn’t mean a stomp bro. For example NRG convincingly beat NAVI, they lost one map but other two were solid wins. I genuinely believe FNC is not as good a team as NRG or LOUD or even EG, but that firepower is just otherworldly. When you play a Bo5 better teams as a whole tend to win. LOUD firepower is also crazy and they are meta definers

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kqly_was_framed [#8]

I mean convincing doesn’t mean a stomp bro. For example NRG convincingly beat NAVI, they lost one map but other two were solid wins. I genuinely believe FNC is not as good a team as NRG or LOUD or even EG, but that firepower is just otherworldly. When you play a Bo5 better teams as a whole tend to win. LOUD firepower is also crazy and they are meta definers

ah I got you bro, ik what u mean now. Damn so you think a team like NRG/LOUD or even EG could like beat FNATIC like 13-8/13-6? Or basically not let FNATIC even get 9 rounds? I feel like thats my definition of convingly, if u can beat a team only giving them 8-9 then. Idk about your definition but in my head i just can't see FNATIC losing to a team convincgly but now that u say it lets talk about.

Their firepower is def insane but do you not think tactically FNATIC is up there with LOUD/NRG and i guess at this point as well EGs? I watched some of their games but not all, do they really get bailed out a SHITON with their individual skill or are their strats really good aswell?

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PoloSway [#9]

ah I got you bro, ik what u mean now. Damn so you think a team like NRG/LOUD or even EG could like beat FNATIC like 13-8/13-6? Or basically not let FNATIC even get 9 rounds? I feel like thats my definition of convingly, if u can beat a team only giving them 8-9 then. Idk about your definition but in my head i just can't see FNATIC losing to a team convincgly but now that u say it lets talk about.

Their firepower is def insane but do you not think tactically FNATIC is up there with LOUD/NRG and i guess at this point as well EGs? I watched some of their games but not all, do they really get bailed out a SHITON with their individual skill or are their strats really good aswell?

NRG and LOUD yes, but mostly just LOUD. EG I am not sold. The firepower is just not quite there. You need both for a team like FNATIC. People can cope all they want but fnatic is just a superteam there’s nothing special about them tactically

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kqly_was_framed [#10]

NRG and LOUD yes, but mostly just LOUD. EG I am not sold. The firepower is just not quite there. You need both for a team like FNATIC. People can cope all they want but fnatic is just a superteam there’s nothing special about them tactically

DAMNN LMAO, Wait so were you not impressed with how EG looked yesterday? Their firepower seemed insane yesterday and the game against FUT aswell as their tactical side. Is there something that caught your eye that u didnt like?

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PoloSway [#11]

DAMNN LMAO, Wait so were you not impressed with how EG looked yesterday? Their firepower seemed insane yesterday and the game against FUT aswell as their tactical side. Is there something that caught your eye that u didnt like?

Bro it’s Leo Chronicle Derke and Alfajer. It won’t be a stomp but I ain’t putting a penny on EG vs fnc. EG CAN beat them but it’s not the likely outcome. With LOUD or NRG I’m taking them. We’ll witness it in playoffs brotha

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kqly_was_framed [#13]

Bro it’s Leo Chronicle Derke and Alfajer. It won’t be a stomp but I ain’t putting a penny on EG vs fnc. EG CAN beat them but it’s not the likely outcome. With LOUD or NRG I’m taking them. We’ll witness it in playoffs brotha

Thats the goal my friend. As long as an NRG/LOUD win im happy. Im fine with EG aswell but preferably the formers.

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PoloSway [#6]

I was about to get on ur ass but then I realized u said Americas... and im an NRG/LOUD fan(nrg fan 1st though). I mean yeh they did really well but dominated is a strong word, i wouldnt say dominate but yeh they are insane.

Also why do you think it would be a convincing win, like im def not against the fact that LOUD can beat FNATIC cause they DEF can. But to say it will be convincing is kinda disrespectful to FNATIC imo. Like any team that can beat FNATIC in my head, it will ALWAYS be a close/banger of game. I don't think it will ever be like super super convincing like FNATIC straight up looked like the worst team. Their talent + strats just make it seem impossible for them to be convincingly won on.

But I do agree LOUD def have the best chance of winning against them I feel like.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K3PAf7j9MfJn3LEZZwcI4DV0HOpAapBW86dDX1I5H2U/edit#gid=1296395388
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_mmWr91RoSnbginucq5nGfw-WkxKRRqLEXUt9kxhC2c/edit#gid=555715220
just analyse how they attack in every map and you will realise Loud has way better atk while FNC is too predictable. Look ascent for example, the pattern of hitting sites is really easy to read while Loud is way more unpredictable. Loud rn has different comps comparing to lock in when they run the same thing. tuyz had no experience playing controller and in big events. Loud improve more than FNC in my opinion.

#17
Shidoh
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Manaphy [#14]

Blud is a little too mad at this thread.

rent free

#18
LycheeBlade
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Manaphy [#14]

Blud is a little too mad at this thread.

"still mad over a loss 3 months ago"

yet it's always the emea frogs that love to pull out the 11-3 card. pretty sure they're more obsessed with that mickey mouse tourney than we are

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Shidoh
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PoloSway [#15]

Thats the goal my friend. As long as an NRG/LOUD win im happy. Im fine with EG aswell but preferably the formers.

W

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Tosspoa
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PoloSway [#6]

I was about to get on ur ass but then I realized u said Americas... and im an NRG/LOUD fan(nrg fan 1st though). I mean yeh they did really well but dominated is a strong word, i wouldnt say dominate but yeh they are insane.

Also why do you think it would be a convincing win, like im def not against the fact that LOUD can beat FNATIC cause they DEF can. But to say it will be convincing is kinda disrespectful to FNATIC imo. Like any team that can beat FNATIC in my head, it will ALWAYS be a close/banger of game. I don't think it will ever be like super super convincing like FNATIC straight up looked like the worst team. Their talent + strats just make it seem impossible for them to be convincingly won on.

But I do agree LOUD def have the best chance of winning against them I feel like.

Yeah, they cruised in first place. NRG made the games competitive but LOUD was clearly the better team.

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Daddyzin
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LycheeBlade [#18]

"still mad over a loss 3 months ago"

yet it's always the emea frogs that love to pull out the 11-3 card. pretty sure they're more obsessed with that mickey mouse tourney than we are

true

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turkey
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PoloSway [#3]

I mean bro the statement is obv no? Like if a team plays in a harder more competitive LEAGUE, it forces them to improve to keep up since the competition is harder and if they don't than they will be left behind. Honestly I think thats why EG is lowkey so good. They literally were playing the LOUDs NRGs C9, KRU, etc... They were be being challenged every week so they were forced to improve. Irons sharpens Iron. I mean EG beat C9 and NRG aswell.

But yeh don't get me wrong ur right. Had FNATIC played in AMERICAS or just in a league with harder competition it def wouldve helped them cause other better teams wouldve def exploited them on their mistakes and potentially have beat them more.

you had to have snuck in KRÜ on purpose bruh

#23
Shidoh
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turkey [#22]

you had to have snuck in KRÜ on purpose bruh

he did it so well that i didn't notice

#24
Aquemini
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LycheeBlade [#18]

"still mad over a loss 3 months ago"

yet it's always the emea frogs that love to pull out the 11-3 card. pretty sure they're more obsessed with that mickey mouse tourney than we are

Dude you are from lan your region is literally full of bots

#25
LycheeBlade
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Aquemini [#24]

Dude you are from lan your region is literally full of bots

who cars? i support my country and my region, not to mention i'm also american

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cioccolat
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turkey [#22]

you had to have snuck in KRÜ on purpose bruh

Unironically better than SEN and 100T

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LycheeBlade [#25]

who cars? i support my country and my region, not to mention i'm also american

Fusion is a goated ascension pick ngl

#29
capital_d_colon
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It's a double edged sword.
Being able to comfortably make playoffs and tokyo could have allowed fnatic to save strats/ideas for this event.

Time will tell if fnatic has suffered from playing in a "weaker" league.

#30
LycheeBlade
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cioccolat [#28]

Fusion is a goated ascension pick ngl

i was more a 6K fan hehe, but FS is our LA-N rep for ascension so i'm supporting the boys

real talk though they're gonna go 0-4 probably, but i'm sticking with them to the end o7

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cioccolat [#27]

"2 Lower seed EMEA teams"
they were in your top 4 lmao
TL literally lost to NAVI

Did you actually look at that liquid loss vs navi.
or even look at the roster.

#32
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capital_d_colon [#31]

Did you actually look at that liquid loss vs navi.
or even look at the roster.

nvm some mf called harmi is here, L for TL for not having a goated sub like TXozin

#33
koromast
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turkey [#22]

you had to have snuck in KRÜ on purpose bruh

hear me out, loud/eg/nrg gonna win masters and kru+c9 are qualifying through LCQ

#34
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koromast [#33]

hear me out, loud/eg/nrg gonna win masters and kru+c9 are qualifying through LCQ

crazy cope, the first condition aint gonna happen much less the second one

#35
terribletyranny
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all these tards talking about fnatic only to lose to them
maybe win and chat shit later

#36
Zeron
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when fnatic comes to americas for la champs they will get good training ngl

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