wtf are KR teams smoking having all the best players in the region on different teams???
new team that could actually win every event:
- MaKo
- Sayaplayer
- xeta
- k1ng
- Rb
KR get your trash region straight thanks
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zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
sayf clears derke
zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
i mean i think prx now has like 3/5 best in roles for region smth davai forsaken
autumnly [#5]i mean i think prx now has like 3/5 best in roles for region smth davai forsaken
not hot take: davai is still shit one performance against drx doesn't change shit
hot take: smth only shined in pacific because drx was shitty and there was no competition
Hynix [#6]not hot take: davai is still shit one performance against drx doesn't change shit
hot take: smth only shined in pacific because drx was shitty and there was no competition
cope
zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
Americas built superteam no?
SEN is literally your superteam
zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
Liquid beat Fnatic last game. EMEA is very close skill wise.
Fnatic definitely doesn't have 5 best players in the region, because Boaster is not one of them. Leo is underperforming as well.
derptz [#8]Americas built superteam no?
SEN is literally your superteam
yes i think sen are in fact, most likely, probably, in all likelihood, the favorites to win the masters events
derptz [#8]Americas built superteam no?
SEN is literally your superteam
yeah sen is such a superteam, i mean, just look at their results!
Olofboost [#10]Liquid beat Fnatic last game. EMEA is very close skill wise.
Fnatic definitely doesn't have 5 best players in the region, because Boaster is not one of them. Leo is underperforming as well.
oh my bad
fnc only has the best init itw, best duelist itw, best sentinel itw, best flex itw, and one of the best igls itw
i doubt either team cared much about GF because both of them already skipped group stage
zidmz [#14]oh my bad
fnc only has the best init itw, best duelist itw, best sentinel itw, best flex itw, and one of the best igls itw
i doubt either team cared much about GF because both of them already skipped group stage
You can make multiple EMEA superteams. Unlike NA, we have a massive pool of top-tier players.
Olofboost [#15]You can make multiple EMEA superteams. Unlike NA, we have a massive pool of top-tier players.
you're damn right
(but NAVI isn't one of them btw)
Hynix [#6]not hot take: davai is still shit one performance against drx doesn't change shit
hot take: smth only shined in pacific because drx was shitty and there was no competition
davai was 2nd in rating and smth was first also pacific bad lul is such a stupid take
Olofboost [#15]You can make multiple EMEA superteams. Unlike NA, we have a massive pool of top-tier players.
the multiple superteams in question
https://www.vlr.gg/220290/nrg-esports-vs-natus-vincere-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-opening-a
https://www.vlr.gg/220297/fut-esports-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-opening-b
Hynix [#6]not hot take: davai is still shit one performance against drx doesn't change shit
hot take: smth only shined in pacific because drx was shitty and there was no competition
Devai had the best stats all split long in Pacific, it wasn't just DRX lol.
Ullyr [#22]Drx atm look like a shell of their former self. At times I feel like mako is the one barely holding the team together.
thats me all the time w drx
ying [#20]they grab players that are great on roles and then just fucking switch them as well, why the fuck is the second best korean controller stuck on switching initiator duty?
they thought itd work cus drx moved mako and buzz from duelist to controller and whatever buzz does and it worked
zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
Good regions in question have less major international events winners in total compared to EMEA:
Sen 2021 Reykjavik, Optic 2022 Reykjavik, Loud 2022 Champions = 3 total for Americas + Pacific
Gambit 2021 Berlin, Acend 2021 Champions, NaVi 2022 Copenhagen, Fnatic 2023 LOCK//N = 4 for EMEA
soonwookong [#25]they thought itd work cus drx moved mako and buzz from duelist to controller and whatever buzz does and it worked
buzz used to duelist for DRX (i vividly remember him nae nae'ing on FPX on haven during Champs as Jett) but now i think he is flex/senti. sadly though, foxy9 hasn't impressed :<
mako is the one that had a complete role change (and one of the best role switches of all time at that)
renormed [#26]Good regions in question have less major international events winners in total compared to EMEA:
Sen 2021 Reykjavik, Optic 2022 Reykjavik, Loud 2022 Champions = 3 total for Americas + Pacific
Gambit 2021 Berlin, Acend 2021 Champions, NaVi 2022 Copenhagen, Fnatic 2023 LOCK//N = 4 for EMEA
good regions do more with less
SEN 2021- 4 USA 1 CAN
OPTC 2022 - 3 USA 2 CAN
LOUD 2022 - 4 BR 1 ARG
GMB 2021 - 5 RUS
ACE 2021 - 2 POL 1 TUR 1 FIN 1 UKR
FPX/NAVI 2022 - 2 RUS 1 SWE 1 UKR 1 LATVIA
FNC 2023 - 1 UK 1 FIN 1 TUR 1 SWE 1 RUS
gambit only real trophy and russia not even fully european KEKW
TSMC [#17]you're damn right
(but NAVI isn't one of them btw)
Navi has some players that could be in superteams
zidmz [#19]the multiple superteams in question
https://www.vlr.gg/220290/nrg-esports-vs-natus-vincere-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-opening-a
https://www.vlr.gg/220297/fut-esports-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-opening-b
I never said Navi or Fut are superteams
zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
why do people shit on nrg like this? crashies top initiator, fns top igl, s0m has been proving himself as a top controller, ardiis was always a top player, and victor was a top entry with consistency issues. nrg is the na superteam why do na fans deny it?
hell_on_earth [#32]why do people shit on nrg like this? crashies top initiator, fns top igl, s0m has been proving himself as a top controller, ardiis was always a top player, and victor was a top entry with consistency issues. nrg is the na superteam why do na fans deny it?
if nrg is a superteam, then americas is the most competitive and strongest region by far
the "na superteam" lost to a 3 win MIBR, a C9 that missed tokyo, and leviatan who got knocked out of playoffs first round
zidmz [#28]good regions do more with less
SEN 2021- 4 USA 1 CAN
OPTC 2022 - 3 USA 2 CAN
LOUD 2022 - 4 BR 1 ARGGMB 2021 - 5 RUS
ACE 2021 - 2 POL 1 TUR 1 FIN 1 UKR
FPX/NAVI 2022 - 2 RUS 1 SWE 1 UKR 1 LATVIA
FNC 2023 - 1 UK 1 FIN 1 TUR 1 SWE 1 RUSgambit only real trophy and russia not even fully european KEKW
Weirdest take I've seen.
So, in other words, you are accusing EMEA teams of being diverse??
How is that a bad thing or advantage? Players literally need to communicate on a foreign language and understand imperfect non-native language (which is really hard unless you are advanced) on the fly (where you have literally milliseconds to react). It's a fucking miracle that they are still owning in terms of trophies.
Btw by your logic any achievements of current NA teams and PRX should be less meritorious because they have players from Europe & Russia (I don't think so, it's just your words imply this). I don't see any EMEA team importing players from "good" regions for some reason🤔
"Good region do more with less" — oh yeah sorry, 17 mil population of Nederlands can't produce a team that can compete with 400 mil population of USA. Same with Finland (5.5 mil population), Poland (37.5 mil population), GB (67.5 mil population), so, EMEA is just forced to make diverse teams (haven't really thought this was problem until your comment)
zidmz [#33]if nrg is a superteam, then americas is the most competitive and strongest region by far
the "na superteam" lost to a 3 win MIBR, a C9 that missed tokyo, and leviatan who got knocked out of playoffs first round
i only said they have top players in each role. maybe not the best in americas but legitimately top 1-2 na in each role. you for some reason deny that, idk why americans love to put down their players so much.
Ullyr [#22]Drx atm look like a shell of their former self. At times I feel like mako is the one barely holding the team together.
I think the 6 man roster is causing them issues. foxy9 and zest are not getting enough playtime in important matches so both are looking mid when they get subbed in.
renormed [#34]Weirdest take I've seen.
So, in other words, you are accusing EMEA teams of being diverse??
How is that a bad thing or advantage? Players literally need to communicate on a foreign language and understand imperfect non-native language (which is really hard unless you are advanced) on the fly (where you have literally milliseconds to react). It's a fucking miracle that they are still owning in terms of trophies.
Btw by your logic any achievements of current NA teams and PRX should be less meritorious because they have players from Europe & Russia (I don't think so, it's just your words imply this). I don't see any EMEA team importing players from "good" regions for some reason🤔
"Good region do more with less" — oh yeah sorry, 17 mil population of Nederlands can't produce a team that can compete with 400 mil population of USA. Same with Finland (5.5 mil population), Poland (37.5 mil population), GB (67.5 mil population), so, EMEA is just forced to make diverse teams (haven't really thought this was problem until your comment)
emea doesn't import bc they can already pick from more countries than NA,BR,and LATAM combined
the only na teams with imports afaik are nrg and sentinels
sentinels has accomplished nothing
ardiis is a yay downgrade, and the only reason he is on an NA team is bc yay's contract would've been to large
you're saying that out of the millions of people in each of these countries, you can't pick 5 and make a good team out of them?
diverse teams aren't a problem, but when you're able to pick from over 40 countries, it's a lot easier to find talent than in the two that NA is limited to.
LycheeBlade [#27]buzz used to duelist for DRX (i vividly remember him nae nae'ing on FPX on haven during Champs as Jett) but now i think he is flex/senti. sadly though, foxy9 hasn't impressed :<
mako is the one that had a complete role change (and one of the best role switches of all time at that)
buzz used to be their sentinel (including chamber era) before they finally got rb to flex
crashhacker1 [#36]I think the 6 man roster is causing them issues. foxy9 and zest are not getting enough playtime in important matches so both are looking mid when they get subbed in.
To be honest with you Zest actually looked good in the matches that he played especially as their initiator
zidmz [#28]good regions do more with less
SEN 2021- 4 USA 1 CAN
OPTC 2022 - 3 USA 2 CAN
LOUD 2022 - 4 BR 1 ARGGMB 2021 - 5 RUS
ACE 2021 - 2 POL 1 TUR 1 FIN 1 UKR
FPX/NAVI 2022 - 2 RUS 1 SWE 1 UKR 1 LATVIA
FNC 2023 - 1 UK 1 FIN 1 TUR 1 SWE 1 RUSgambit only real trophy and russia not even fully european KEKW
You know most of Russia is in Europe right? And every Russian playing on an EMEA team is European.
zidmz [#3]the only region that has all their best players on one team is emea (fnc)
what separates a good region like pacific/americas from a fraud one like emea is they don't need to make superteams to have a chance at winning
Fnatic does not have the best players in their role in the region.
Id EASILY take sayf over derke every single day of the week and suygetsu over alfajer. But boaster dislikes suygetsu hardcore ever since he waved at fnatic after they beat them at copenhagen so that would never work.
Be foreal for a sec.
Moiraine [#41]Fnatic does not have the best players in their role in the region.
Id EASILY take sayf over derke every single day of the week and suygetsu over alfajer. But boaster dislikes suygetsu hardcore ever since he waved at fnatic after they beat them at copenhagen so that would never work.
Be foreal for a sec.
alfajer completely clears suygetsu on kj and is only slightly worse on cypher
and even if sayf > derke, fnc still have the 2nd best duelist, and #1 everything else
be forreal for a sec
zidmz [#37]emea doesn't import bc they can already pick from more countries than NA,BR,and LATAM combined
the only na teams with imports afaik are nrg and sentinels
sentinels has accomplished nothing
ardiis is a yay downgrade, and the only reason he is on an NA team is bc yay's contract would've been to largeyou're saying that out of the millions of people in each of these countries, you can't pick 5 and make a good team out of them?
diverse teams aren't a problem, but when you're able to pick from over 40 countries, it's a lot easier to find talent than in the two that NA is limited to.
It's easier to form a team from one or two countries with 400 mil + populations than across 40 countries who form a bigger population in total. Btw teams from NA and any other teams also can pick players from any other region globally (which they do). They will still need to accommodate their players for duration of regular season no matter where they're from (with exception of LA residents). It's not harder for NRG to accommodate ardiis than for Liquid to accommodate nAts of redgar.
Your weird requirement of teams being mostly from one or two countries is the same as if somebody creates a requirement for a team to be fully from 1-2 states like Texas or Washington (or any other US state). It's just dumb comparing a country with 400 mil population with any singular country in Europe. If you are so fixated on numbers you should think about player bases, and Americas playerbase is almost the same as EMEAs (3.2 mil vs 3.5 mil), it doesn't really matter if those players are from 5 countries or 40 countries (in fact making teams from less countries is easier in terms of language barrier and logistics).
Demon1 carrying EG, something carried PRX (which is btw hella diverse too). yay might be slightly better than ardiis, but ardiis more flexible and it allows to put Victor on Raze or Neon, therefore in non-chamber meta ardiis is improvement. With addition of ardiis now NRG is from 3 countries (and 2 continents), the same as Acend 2021 or NaVi 2022 (which you guys claim is not real win because they are from more countries). Even if you don't count Demon1 as Russian, EG still comprised out of players from 3 countries (and 4 if Demon1 counted as Russian). I guess if any of these teams win they are not a real wins too.
nickels [#40]You know most of Russia is in Europe right? And every Russian playing on an EMEA team is European.
I mean I have no opinion on if you count Russia as Europe or not. I don't really care, it's just NA fans love to make a division, so I go along. Regarding every Russian player in EMEA teams being European is not true tho, nAts is tatar (which is more central Asian ethnically/racially and on the border of Europe and Asia geographically). Aside from that you are probably correct (not sure if geographically correct because I don't know where players are from in Russia)
zidmz [#42]alfajer completely clears suygetsu on kj and is only slightly worse on cypher
and even if sayf > derke, fnc still have the 2nd best duelist, and #1 everything else
be forreal for a sec
alfa is a chronic overpeeker, suy would never. i know you dont watch the matches and just look at vlr stats be forreal for a sec
trembolonaRage [#30]Why the loud flag? Just curious not hating or anything
#goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD #goLOUD
zidmz [#28]good regions do more with less
SEN 2021- 4 USA 1 CAN
OPTC 2022 - 3 USA 2 CAN
LOUD 2022 - 4 BR 1 ARGGMB 2021 - 5 RUS
ACE 2021 - 2 POL 1 TUR 1 FIN 1 UKR
FPX/NAVI 2022 - 2 RUS 1 SWE 1 UKR 1 LATVIA
FNC 2023 - 1 UK 1 FIN 1 TUR 1 SWE 1 RUSgambit only real trophy and russia not even fully european KEKW
i do agree that emea is a weaker region as of right now however this isnt a very good argument because it shows the impressiveness of emea in these past tournaments
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