none of ur favorite "stars" - yay, aspas,fns,derke,tenz etc etc are a god's gift. ALOT of talented folks can achieve what they have given the right environment and a bit of luck. All these pros/streamers praying for runi/jakee to fail is a sign that these guys try to gatekeep the scene by hyping themselves or they get exposed as frauds.
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yaiima0 [#5]FNS is a goat igl wym?
the rest are all mechanical gods and then their is fns...
i feel like FNS doesn't belong in the list as he is a goat tier igl in a scene where there is only a small hand full
xD1LL4N [#6]the rest are all mechanical gods and then their is fns...
i feel like FNS doesn't belong in the list as he is a goat tier igl in a scene where there is only a small hand full
So wouldnt that make him more valuable than any other name on the list if igls are way harder to come by
manca [#8]So wouldnt that make him more valuable than any other name on the list if igls are way harder to come by
yes 100%
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
can you bring me solid evidence? like some stats idk
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
you realize how insane you sound when ur this delusion?
xD1LL4N [#3]man snuck FNS in there and act like we didn't notice
hes doing pretty well now honestly. Since lockin his aim has been improved
Mkin11 [#2]give names
of who? streamers and pros? watch their match with EG - 1st map 1st half - where the crew of sinatraa said this might be the last match of runi/jakee, "im down to keep xeppa,zellsis,leaf and let others go" "wait i havent even seen jakee in radiant lobbies that means he is not even radiant" -- people were READY to pounce to on these kids the first map they lose.
PoonRaccoon [#14]hes doing pretty well now honestly. Since lockin his aim has been improved
it wasn't a dig. He is not as replacable like the rest in this list
xD1LL4N [#6]the rest are all mechanical gods and then their is fns...
i feel like FNS doesn't belong in the list as he is a goat tier igl in a scene where there is only a small hand full
goat tier IGL because of the opportunities he got + abit of luck. I aint questioning the fact that he took those opportunities + worked hard to get there. I am talking about gatekeeping and saying nobody can achieve what he has - which is not true. Gatekeeping is exactly that.
kskm [#15]of who? streamers and pros? watch their match with EG - 1st map 1st half - where the crew of sinatraa said this might be the last match of runi/jakee, "im down to keep xeppa,zellsis,leaf and let others go" "wait i havent even seen jakee in radiant lobbies that means he is not even radiant" -- people were READY to pounce to on these kids the first map they lose.
maybe just don’t watch the sexual assaulter idk
kskm [#15]of who? streamers and pros? watch their match with EG - 1st map 1st half - where the crew of sinatraa said this might be the last match of runi/jakee, "im down to keep xeppa,zellsis,leaf and let others go" "wait i havent even seen jakee in radiant lobbies that means he is not even radiant" -- people were READY to pounce to on these kids the first map they lose.
Truth: Valorant skill ceiling is so low, anyone can be good
Ullyr [#13]I mean i don't like how ppl call players tier 3 when its a relatively new esports. There's players that have a lot of unrefined talents that could perform very well with good coach and staff. MCE literally made the guard with 4 unknown players ... + saya from OW
that is true. it is annoying to see some ex-pro streamers having this god complex and talking about how good they are - when in reality alot of talented folks can achieve what they have - even if they are collegiate. I guess gatekeeping is to keep themselves relevant and keep the streamer $$ flowing
Supr3meGucci [#19]Truth: Valorant skill ceiling is so low, anyone can be good
there's so many more talents in valorant that would replace most of these tier 1 pros in a year or two.
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
You realize how insane this is? kkkkkkkkkkk bagre de mais memewzera
Abydaby [#11]can you bring me solid evidence? like some stats idk
KKKKKKK DUDE DONT HE WILL PULL THE DEATHMATCH STATS MAN
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
You got me laughing hysterically in the middle of the night, gj my man trembo
Ullyr [#22]there's so many more talents in valorant that would replace most of these tier 1 pros in a year or two.
thats exactly the point
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
STATS
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
!stats
trembolonaRage [#7]That’s why mwzera is undoubtedly the most talented player to ever play the game
Dude have been performing amazingly since 2020, with different class of agents, different IGLs, different teams with several different people
You realize how insane this is?
Trembo we need updated stats to admire the goat mwzera ad he is now. Please bring updated stats
Kkonakorner [#26]thats exactly the point
you don't get it lol no one reached any skill ceiling in this game yet. team still inconcsistent af with some teams having legit players that shouldn't be in tier 1 back then ppl calling teams like SEN best in the game. Sure but that was for their time, the level of competition was so bad back then. In 5 years level will get even higher and ppl look back to now saying how bad the level was. Its like League of legends before SKT dominated.
kskm [#15]of who? streamers and pros? watch their match with EG - 1st map 1st half - where the crew of sinatraa said this might be the last match of runi/jakee, "im down to keep xeppa,zellsis,leaf and let others go" "wait i havent even seen jakee in radiant lobbies that means he is not even radiant" -- people were READY to pounce to on these kids the first map they lose.
i mean what can you expect from sinatraa and his clones?? they HAVE to be edgy for their audience 😂
Ullyr [#32]you don't get it lol no one reached any skill ceiling in this game yet. team still inconcsistent af with some teams having legit players that shouldn't be in tier 1 back then ppl calling teams like SEN best in the game. Sure but that was for their time, the level of competition was so bad back then. In 5 years level will get even higher and ppl look back to now saying how bad the level was. Its like League of legends before SKT dominated.
yeah thats the thing with every game lol,what does that have to do with the individual skill ceiling being low
Kkonakorner [#34]yeah thats the thing with every game lol,what does that have to do with the individual skill ceiling being low
so you admit skill ceiling hasn't been reach yet? so you agree with me. How is skill ceiling low when this game gets so many new agents and maps?
Ullyr [#35]so you admit skill ceiling hasn't been reach yet? so you agree with me. How is skill ceiling low when this game gets so many new agents and maps?
ofcourse not,but its just a fact its easy to shoot at this game so idk what that has to do with skill ceiling,any level 10 cs player can climb to radiant with just basic knowledge of the game
you have people like dasnerth who manage to stay in top 100 radiant with a fucking controller and only shotguns
Kkonakorner [#37]ofcourse not,but its just a fact its easy to shoot at this game so idk what that has to do with skill ceiling,any level 10 cs player can climb to radiant with just basic knowledge of the game
you have people like dasnerth who manage to stay in top 100 radiant with a fucking controller and only shotguns
bro you're dumb lol game is more than shooting. Put any cs player that haven't play valorant in and they get owned by utility. Just cause its easy to get into doesn't mean its easy to master. Rank play is just that shooting but the level between rank and pros is so hugely different. The fact that is more than shooting means that its so much harder to remain at the top and the ceiling gets higher every update. Look at the one tricks in this game they get exposed real quick.
The fact dasnerth can be top of radiant means the game is more than just shooting, need insanely high indivdual game sense and iq to play like that. If its so easy why he the only one that can do that with judge at radiant.
Ullyr [#38]bro you're dumb lol game is more than shooting. Put any cs player that haven't play valorant in and they get owned by utility. Just cause its easy to get into doesn't mean its easy to master. Rank play is just that shooting but the level between rank and pros is so hugely different. The fact that is more than shooting means that its so much harder to remain at the top and the ceiling gets higher every update. Look at the one tricks in this game they get exposed real quick.
The fact dasnerth can be top of radiant means the game is more than just shooting, need insanely high indivdual game sense and iq to play like that. If its so easy why he the only one that can do that with judge at radiant.
thats why i said "basic knowledge of the game" dumbass there is nothing complex about the tactical side once you learn it and it is not hard to learn
Kkonakorner [#39]thats why i said "basic knowledge of the game" dumbass there is nothing complex about the tactical side once you learn it and it is not hard to learn
i see you're just a dumb troll lmao. Nothing complex about tactical side. its easy to get into harder to master that's the point.
Ullyr [#40]i see you're just a dumb troll lmao. Nothing complex about tactical side. its easy to get into harder to master that's the point.
nothing complex if you have over 80iq and care enough about the game to take it serious
Kkonakorner [#41]nothing complex if you have over 80iq and care enough about the game to take it serious
your iq is like room temperature to have takes like that lol. You have to relearn the game every 3 months on top of what you already know.
Ullyr [#42]your iq is like room temperature to have takes like that lol. You have to relearn the game every 3 months on top of what you already know.
you make it sound like its hard,you dont have to learn shit or know shit are you a fucking robot or something, do you not have the ability to absorb simple information in your brain and do something with it or what,i stopped playing valorant for a long time,installed it back and had no problem learning how new agents or maps play, you act like you its some huge task to learn the new things or something
Kkonakorner [#43]you make it sound like its hard,you dont have to learn shit or know shit are you a fucking robot or something, do you not have the ability to absorb simple information in your brain and do something with it or what,i stopped playing valorant for a long time,installed it back and had no problem learning how new agents or maps play, you act like you its some huge task to learn the new things or something
bro you act like teams comboing utility on top of knowing timing and perfect executes then also the other team playing at that level is easy to counter. In a game like valorant where simple mistakes like misplaced flash or walls will leave gap in your defense the other team can exploit.
Like i say you have room temperature IQ to not see how hard it is and how it will only get harder with more agent release. Just cause you dominate rank with braindead teammate who doesn't run full strat doesn't mean its easy. Pro is nothing like that. You're just choosing to be ignorant that that point.
Ullyr [#44]bro you act like teams comboing utility on top of knowing timing and perfect executes then also the other team playing at that level is easy to counter. In a game like valorant where simple mistakes like misplaced flash or walls will leave gap in your defense the other team can exploit.
Like i say you have room temperature IQ to not see how hard it is and how it will only get harder with more agent release. Just cause you dominate rank with braindead teammate who doesn't run full strat doesn't mean its easy. Pro is nothing like that. You're just choosing to be ignorant that that point.
yeah and you are talking about pro level rn,you scrim 6 hours a day idiot thats your job
Kkonakorner [#45]yeah and you are talking about pro level rn,you scrim 6 hours a day idiot thats your job
Yes and you scrim 0 hours a day dumbass and talking about skill ceiling in rank lmao so dumb.
Ullyr [#46]Yes and you scrim 0 hours a day dumbass and talking about skill ceiling in rank lmao so dumb.
i never said the tactical side at PRO level has a low skill ceiling you absolute fucking retard i said this game has objectively easier mechanics for most people
Kkonakorner [#47]i never said the tactical side at PRO level has a low skill ceiling you absolute fucking retard i said this game has objectively easier mechanics for most people
... you legit said skill ceiling of the game is low when the original commenter is talking about pro play skill ceiling (literally what this site is for). Please don't try to change the topic to something else. You just sound dumb as fk right now. Easier mechanics doesn't mean lower skill ceiling, pros have to learn a lot of agents and adapt to new agents use to counter their playstyle = high skill ceiling. You have room temperature iq and take braindead takes of anyone that doesn't play or understand the game at a fundamental level.
Ullyr [#48]... you legit said skill ceiling of the game is low when the original commenter is talking about pro play skill ceiling (literally what this site is for). Please don't try to change the topic to something else. You just sound dumb as fk right now. Easier mechanics doesn't mean lower skill ceiling, pros have to learn a lot of agents and adapt to new agents use to counter their playstyle = high skill ceiling. You have room temperature iq and take braindead takes of anyone that doesn't play or understand the game at a fundamental level.
easier mechanics exactly means lower skill ceiling because there is less to master,even people like shroud who hate cs agree that "everyone can shoot" at this game so it makes it harder witch has nothing to do with skill so the skill ceiling is not that high basically its way easier to reach a certain level with just aim,also im pretty sure the comment where he said "anyone can be good" means at a mechanical level since thats usually how you determine someone skill so why the fuck are you changing to topic dumbass
Kkonakorner [#49]easier mechanics exactly means lower skill ceiling because there is less to master,even people like shroud who hate cs agree that "everyone can shoot" at this game so it makes it harder witch has nothing to do with skill so the skill ceiling is not that high basically its way easier to reach a certain level with just aim,also im pretty sure the comment where he said "anyone can be good" means at a mechanical level since thats usually how you determine someone skill so why the fuck are you changing to topic dumbass
how is there less to master when there's an increasing numbers of playstyle and agent. When you were a pro the game came out you didn't have to deal with fade, skye, yoru, neon, harbor, chamber. Literally Chamber created a meta that pros had to adapt around. Like I say you're actually a dumbass cause everyone has to learn and keep up with meta and agents in this game to stay on top. It easy to get into and shoot but when your rank teammates play an even remotely semi pro team they'll get hard own with utility. I repeat you don't understand what skill ceiling is , its more than mechanics.
In rank plays no one bother to play like a team or how the game is intended. That's why it all comes down to people running around and shooting.
Ullyr [#50]how is there less to master when there's an increasing numbers of playstyle and agent. When you were a pro the game came out you didn't have to deal with fade, skye, yoru, neon, harbor, chamber. Literally Chamber created a meta that pros had to adapt around. Like I say you're actually a dumbass cause everyone has to learn and keep up with meta and agents in this game to stay on top. It easy to get into and shoot but when your rank teammates play an even remotely semi pro team they'll get hard own with utility. I repeat you don't understand what skill ceiling is , its more than mechanics.
In rank plays no one bother to play like a team or how the game is intended. That's why it all comes down to people running around and shooting.
because the skills are not hard to fucking master or "learn",i guess your just fucking stupid,tell me some things you need to "master" maybe i just dont know all the complex mechanics and playstyles
Kkonakorner [#51]because the skills are not hard to fucking master or "learn",i guess your just fucking stupid,tell me some things you need to "master" maybe i just dont know all the complex mechanics and playstyles
again you are mixing rank plays with mastering the game at a pro level. fk you're just retarded man. Get some help with you low iq.
Ullyr [#52]again you are mixing rank plays with mastering the game at a pro level. fk you're just retarded man. Get some help with you low iq.
why are you again talking like the fact pros have to learn to adapt means the skill ceiling is high,i never said anything about the game being easy at the pro level i said the fucking mechanics (shooting,movement,etc) are a lot easier witch means there is a smaller gap between player mechanical skill
Kkonakorner [#53]why are you again talking like the fact pros have to learn to adapt means the skill ceiling is high,i never said anything about the game being easy at the pro level i said the fucking mechanics (shooting,movement,etc) are a lot easier witch means there is a smaller gap between player mechanical skill
why are you again talking like the fact pros have to learn to adapt means the skill ceiling is high - This question alone means you're retarded lmao.
"easier mechanics exactly means lower skill ceiling because there is less to master" this is what you said
Bro you were arguing why low mechanics = low skill ceiling the entire time. Just get off the site man you're too braindead to watch this game at a high level. You don't understand how adapting and mastering utility with your teammate is a skill itself just keep thinking mechanics is all there is. Literally the definition of a rank brain player.
kskm [#21]that is true. it is annoying to see some ex-pro streamers having this god complex and talking about how good they are - when in reality alot of talented folks can achieve what they have - even if they are collegiate. I guess gatekeeping is to keep themselves relevant and keep the streamer $$ flowing
That's why no one signs them because they're to cocky but can't actually provide the value they hype themselves for. They'll just ruin the team with their attitude and just play for stats to justify why they should be kept.
Ullyr [#54]why are you again talking like the fact pros have to learn to adapt means the skill ceiling is high - This question alone means you're retarded lmao.
"easier mechanics exactly means lower skill ceiling because there is less to master" this is what you said
Bro you were arguing why low mechanics = low skill ceiling the entire time. Just get off the site man you're too braindead to watch this game at a high level. You don't understand how adapting and mastering utility with your teammate is a skill itself just keep thinking mechanics is all there is. Literally the definition of a rank brain player.
again you are acting like "mastering" abilites or whole agents is some multi year skillful process,it isnt
Ullyr [#54]why are you again talking like the fact pros have to learn to adapt means the skill ceiling is high - This question alone means you're retarded lmao.
"easier mechanics exactly means lower skill ceiling because there is less to master" this is what you said
Bro you were arguing why low mechanics = low skill ceiling the entire time. Just get off the site man you're too braindead to watch this game at a high level. You don't understand how adapting and mastering utility with your teammate is a skill itself just keep thinking mechanics is all there is. Literally the definition of a rank brain player.
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