Imo the problem with EMEA is half of the teams have mid players, EMEA need new products, some players have to step down from comp
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Really? let's see
The teams that will take the last 5 places are probably Vitality, KC, FUT, BBL and TH
Who are the "mid" players of these teams according to you?
For me these players are:
Vitality - Destrian
Heretics - Boo
FUT - mid players in general maybe qraxs is good enough
BBL - Turko and Aslan
KC - All except Scream and Nivera
Gutssz [#3]Really? let's see
The teams that will take the last 5 places are probably Vitality, KC, FUT, BBL and TH
Who are the "mid" players of these teams according to you?
For me these players are:
Vitality - Destrian
Heretics - Boo
FUT - mid players in general maybe qraxs is good enough
BBL - Turko and Aslan
KC - All except Scream and Nivera
Xms is good don't disrespect him like that
it's hard when your region decides to make the 3 strongest superteam and exports one of it's best players. America's did it smart, we separated good teams to make like 6 great teams and it'd didn't even tank our T2 scene. Broke up Loud, Kru, Optic, and XSET to build 6 borderline superteams is worth more than just creating 3 whole ass superteams in the longterm. Thank god for Carlos and Tate so G2 lost their slot. Imagine if XSET stayed together, Sen is way weaker, 100T probably gets Yay? Insane. I like what America's got.
Qwertyy [#2]no way the reason teams are bad is bc they have bad players??
i had no idea
silver kinda answer, there's a lot more in a team than mechanics, such as team behaviour, comms, mental...
Gutssz [#3]Really? let's see
The teams that will take the last 5 places are probably Vitality, KC, FUT, BBL and TH
Who are the "mid" players of these teams according to you?
For me these players are:
Vitality - Destrian
Heretics - Boo
FUT - mid players in general maybe qraxs is good enough
BBL - Turko and Aslan
KC - All except Scream and Nivera
Heretics -avova -boo +monsteer +baddyG (IGL) (and after the others have gained exp, kick mixwell for a good recon)
Vitality -Destrian +braveaf/mushashi
BBL -turko -aslanmashadow +AslaN +Elite
FUT -muj -mojj -atakaptan +DeepMans +dESTRUCTIVE +Wo0t
KC +takaS +Enzo +kadavra (8-man roster, honestly haven't seen enough of shin and newzera to know if they need to be cut)
Giants -f1tinho +JUGi (i'd rather take a chance on him in tier1 than keep getting disappointed by how mid fitinho is)
KOI -starxo +mistic/l1nk
This also helps because it doesn't decimate Parla who were going to ascend to franchise anyway.
Gutssz [#3]Really? let's see
The teams that will take the last 5 places are probably Vitality, KC, FUT, BBL and TH
Who are the "mid" players of these teams according to you?
For me these players are:
Vitality - Destrian
Heretics - Boo
FUT - mid players in general maybe qraxs is good enough
BBL - Turko and Aslan
KC - All except Scream and Nivera
boo is good igl
he just at bad day yesterday
Gutssz [#3]Really? let's see
The teams that will take the last 5 places are probably Vitality, KC, FUT, BBL and TH
Who are the "mid" players of these teams according to you?
For me these players are:
Vitality - Destrian
Heretics - Boo
FUT - mid players in general maybe qraxs is good enough
BBL - Turko and Aslan
KC - All except Scream and Nivera
mixwell is literally the reason why TH fumbled it
Yea I think its gonna get better as the season goes on; orgs just went with existing t1 players from last season + t2 players they already had signed, instead of properly scouting. As teams get more time I do trust the coaches to be able to spot their weak links/synergy problems and look for suitable replacements in the t2 pool.
A few of the current teams also seem motivated by fanbase instead of being the best competitively (i.e. the Spanish TH just so happening to sign mixwell, the French org KC just randomly making a full french speaking roster). And then the eternal Turkey being part of emea but struggling to "import/export" players, due to language, problem.
laurus [#9]A lot of good players in tier2 EMEA, but organizations prefer "proven" tier1 washed-ups
problem with emea is that talent is really concentrated into like 3 teams
navi, liquid and fnatic
the rest of the teams either have 1-2 star players with the rest being unproven tier 2 talent
so like theres loads of ex tier 2 players who are good in emea franchsie rn and they gonna prove themselves soon
laurus [#9]A lot of good players in tier2 EMEA, but organizations prefer "proven" tier1 washed-ups
Yep, starxo and colda in particular.
Targu1n [#14]Yea I think its gonna get better as the season goes on; orgs just went with existing t1 players from last season + t2 players they already had signed, instead of properly scouting. As teams get more time I do trust the coaches to be able to spot their weak links/synergy problems and look for suitable replacements in the t2 pool.
A few of the current teams also seem motivated by fanbase instead of being the best competitively (i.e. the Spanish TH just so happening to sign mixwell, the French org KC just randomly making a full french speaking roster). And then the eternal Turkey being part of emea but struggling to "import/export" players, due to language, problem.
kc having french players has nothing to do with fanbase, kc takes french players because it's the org's goal to make french speaking players shine internationally and prove that french speaking players can be the best at their game,besides that kc wouldn't have taken shin newzera in if it was for the fanbase, they have no clout, meanwhike enzo kdvra takas are kinda clouted
kc is known for making french superteams/french super rookies + proven t1 french (speaking) players (eg. rocket league, League of legends and many others)
hekzy [#10]Heretics -avova -boo +monsteer +baddyG (IGL) (and after the others have gained exp, kick mixwell for a good recon)
Vitality -Destrian +braveaf/mushashi
BBL -turko -aslanmashadow +AslaN +Elite
FUT -muj -mojj -atakaptan +DeepMans +dESTRUCTIVE +Wo0t
KC +takaS +Enzo +kadavra (8-man roster, honestly haven't seen enough of shin and newzera to know if they need to be cut)
Giants -f1tinho +JUGi (i'd rather take a chance on him in tier1 than keep getting disappointed by how mid fitinho is)
KOI -starxo +mistic/l1nkThis also helps because it doesn't decimate Parla who were going to ascend to franchise anyway.
Jugi did not wanna accept tier 1 offers, he had plenty but pretty sure we wants to stay with Fokus
Not Mistic or Link, hell nah
But yeah the rest fair enough
number1_ScreaM_fan [#15]problem with emea is that talent is really concentrated into like 3 teams
navi, liquid and fnatic
the rest of the teams either have 1-2 star players with the rest being unproven tier 2 talentso like theres loads of ex tier 2 players who are good in emea franchsie rn and they gonna prove themselves soon
KOI so underanted because 1 loss against NRG, KOI also really good players
Qwertyy [#2]no way the reason teams are bad is bc they have bad players??
i had no idea
there is only one true fix, add babyj or face obsolescence
Nah stop the cap guys. We can’t realistically pretend like we can make 10 teams that are better than NA’s 5 best teams. What we need to do is start thinking of NA as America’s. So far BBL has lost to DRX with a great showing and KOI to NRG playing good, there’s no shame on any of those loses. And if we compare ourselves to America, TH lost to EG, (Top 8/9 vs their top 6/7). It’s not that bad common, MIBR also lost to Asia
Be realistic guys and don’t overreact so much, if y’all didn’t expect this it’s y’all’s problem
Arcanine [#21]KOI so underanted because 1 loss against NRG, KOI also really good players
Koi are a 2-man team, just get zeddy+deffo+some good anchor player and they will immediately be better. Sheydos has to play kj on icebox despite being better than starxo on flash initiators , why is starxo even on a team when he has a role clash with a better player?
Itsover [#26]Koi are a 2-man team, just get zeddy+deffo+some good anchor player and they will immediately be better. Sheydos has to play kj on icebox despite being better than starxo on flash initiators , why is starxo even on a team when he has a role clash with a better player?
yes i dont understand why starxo is there, remove him get someone else then give the roster a few months
kcwhiteknight [#19]kc having french players has nothing to do with fanbase, kc takes french players because it's the org's goal to make french speaking players shine internationally and prove that french speaking players can be the best at their game,besides that kc wouldn't have taken shin newzera in if it was for the fanbase, they have no clout, meanwhike enzo kdvra takas are kinda clouted
kc is known for making french superteams/french super rookies + proven t1 french (speaking) players (eg. rocket league, League of legends and many others)
I disagree that they have no "clout"; individually I would agree, theyre youngsters from t2 , however newzera and shin have been with KC for an entire season. Those matches were getting serious views, so the french valo fanbase already has connection to them. But that's not exactly what I was on about.
Your second point is what I ment. As you said KC is known for making amazing french rosters, its something they built their fanbase around. That, in turn, very much is picking up players for fanbase instead of purely trying to make the best roster possible; you do not make a better roster by limiting the pool of possible players in a fashion that has nothing to do with their skill/performance.
(I also wanna clarify that I'm not saying they intentionally made a bad roster. Im saying that fanbase was a motivation for their team decisions instead of it being PURELY competitively oriented)
hekzy [#10]Heretics -avova -boo +monsteer +baddyG (IGL) (and after the others have gained exp, kick mixwell for a good recon)
Vitality -Destrian +braveaf/mushashi
BBL -turko -aslanmashadow +AslaN +Elite
FUT -muj -mojj -atakaptan +DeepMans +dESTRUCTIVE +Wo0t
KC +takaS +Enzo +kadavra (8-man roster, honestly haven't seen enough of shin and newzera to know if they need to be cut)
Giants -f1tinho +JUGi (i'd rather take a chance on him in tier1 than keep getting disappointed by how mid fitinho is)
KOI -starxo +mistic/l1nkThis also helps because it doesn't decimate Parla who were going to ascend to franchise anyway.
FUT makes me so fucking angry
They need to keep MrFallin to IGL and replace everyone else. I can literally easily find 4 better turkish players than the ones FUT have. Idk these orgs aren't even trying
Targu1n [#28]I disagree that they have no "clout"; individually I would agree, theyre youngsters from t2 , however newzera and shin have been with KC for an entire season. Those matches were getting serious views, so the french valo fanbase already has connection to them. But that's not exactly what I was on about.
Your second point is what I ment. As you said KC is known for making amazing french rosters, its something they built their fanbase around. That, in turn, very much is picking up players for fanbase instead of purely trying to make the best roster possible; you do not make a better roster by limiting the pool of possible players in a fashion that has nothing to do with their skill/performance.
(I also wanna clarify that I'm not saying they intentionally made a bad roster. Im saying that fanbase was a motivation for their team decisions instead of it being PURELY competitively oriented)
u are half right, kc chooses those french players because they have World class potential qnd they want to nurture them into being world class players, now whether it happens or not is a different story, kc themselves have said that having a bigger pool is better but they'd rather build on french synergy and then if it doesnt work they'll start bringing in english speaking players
Mortadelo [#20]Jugi did not wanna accept tier 1 offers, he had plenty but pretty sure we wants to stay with Fokus
Not Mistic or Link, hell nah
But yeah the rest fair enough
Starxo is terrible and Mistic is the most underrated player in EMEA. Simply because he got replaced by goatnicle.
Moiraine [#29]FUT makes me so fucking angry
They need to keep MrFallin to IGL and replace everyone else. I can literally easily find 4 better turkish players than the ones FUT have. Idk these orgs aren't even trying
Yeah it's actually triggering. I knew this was gonna happen once they announced franchising. I kept telling people that we're not gonna be seeing the top players due to shitty riot management, that some frauds were gonna make it in. And now look, the top2 Turkish teams aren't even there. Apeks and Acend are also better than TH.
hekzy [#31]Starxo is terrible and Mistic is the most underrated player in EMEA. Simply because he got replaced by goatnicle.
The issue is not being replaced by Chronicle, is that no one else picked him up after because they all thought there were better options
Mortadelo [#20]Jugi did not wanna accept tier 1 offers, he had plenty but pretty sure we wants to stay with Fokus
Not Mistic or Link, hell nah
But yeah the rest fair enough
do you know the actual reason to why jugi declined t1 offers.
because if it was to help fokus get franchised... i dont see that happening anymore
if it was based on outside of the game reasons i understand.
capital_d_colon [#34]do you know the actual reason to why jugi declined t1 offers.
because if it was to help fokus get franchised... i dont see that happening anymore
if it was based on outside of the game reasons i understand.
Ig only he knows the real reasons, all we can do is speculate. He’ll make it eventually tho
Mortadelo [#33]The issue is not being replaced by Chronicle, is that no one else picked him up after because they all thought there were better options
Nah, just poor-ass orgs that got into franchising. Orgs with no purchasing power who only got free agent rejects.
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