Every NA teams looks strong while the bottom EMEA teams seem pretty weak. I think its because of the slot distribution, NA only had 5 teams so the best players got picked while talent got distributed more in EMEA with 10 teams, not to mention the fact that BBL/FUT/Kcorp decided to stick to one country teams instead of trying to make a better roster. Still feel EMEA is just top heavy, and their top 3 teams will be better than top 3 NA/Americas teams. Thoughts?
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cryyBAE [#2]Besides FNC/Navi and maybe Liquid, the rest EMEA teams are really mid
Giants look strong too
YvngKurry [#4]Giants look strong too
they looked strong because they were playing vs a terrible japanese team
cryyBAE [#2]Besides FNC/Navi and maybe Liquid, the rest EMEA teams are really mid
Yeah thats why Im saying. EMEA is very top heavy, but Imo their top teams(FNC, Liquid and Navi) will be better than NA top 3.
Its because Americas are 2 continents and EMEA is like, 1.5 or something. We had hella talent before, just spread across a bajillion teams competing in NA circuit. Now EMEA who had a good few teams, with only the best few making it to the best tourneys, has all of their talent spread across more teams, because of the size of the region. not to mention the difference in both of our t2 scenes.
edit: also its like, the first tourney of the year. chill out and it'll prolly end up like 21 masters Reykjavik honestly. All of the teams need a bit to become their peak form.
Moiraine [#3]no all NA teams minus EG are much better than all the EU teams
There is no comparison to made here+the top 3 eu teams are in the same bracket. NAVI and TL will have to kill each other, only 1 of them will go through. so that's already scuffed.
Really? We'll see Ig. Personally I feel Fnatic, Liquid and Navi are atleast on the same level as every NA team and better than EG.
YvngKurry [#4]Giants look strong too
these guys keep underestimating Giants. They have one of the most stacked rosters with the most firepower in this event.
Yep the bottom teams kinda trolled with their rosters. BBL got eliminated first in LCQ and they still stick with most of the same roster only adding like Sounchi and Brave. FUT's biggest achivement so far is winning Ascension and again decided to stick with same roster. KCorp wanted to be full French speaking, so again they were forced to sign some weaker tier 2 talent (Shin was good tho) and kept ScreaM IGLing. And Heretics for most part signed players who had weak 2022.
rina [#14]i wouldnt say every NA team. eg only look good bc they were playing heretics, with a yoru on pearl. a lot of their calls looked weaker compared to NRG and C9.
But their set plays were the best Ive seen in this tourney so far. They had loads of ideas with good execution, mid rounding looked a bit off but they can work on that. Heretics still has a good chance of winning this series tho, they should atleast win on their map pick next
patuj [#16]Yep the bottom teams kinda trolled with their rosters. BBL got eliminated first in LCQ and they still stick with most of the same roster only adding like Sounchi and Brave. FUT's biggest achivement so far is winning Ascension and again decided to stick with same roster. KCorp wanted to be full French speaking, so again they were forced to sign some weaker tier 2 talent (Shin was good tho) and kept ScreaM IGLing. And Heretics for most part signed players who had weak 2022.
Kcorp can be much better if they get Enzo to replace Newzera. He plays similar roles and can IGL. Xms didn't do well the last series but he was absolutely smurfing in T2 EU so I have faith. Kcorp can improve so much but idk if they're even thinking about changes
Daniveus [#15]these guys keep underestimating Giants. They have one of the most stacked rosters with the most firepower in this event.
Coping or delusional
Theres no way you believe this, they dont even have one of the most stacked rosters in EMEA
its because of the slot distribution, NA only had 5 teams so the best players got picked while talent got distributed more in EMEA with 10 teams
We still got teams like TGRD,FaZe and M80 in Ascension league who can give tough fight in league (Guard can actually win easily)
and EMEA Ascension teams Apeks and Acend? these teams will get clapped by APAC Ascension teams (Bleed,MiTH) KEKW
Daniveus [#15]these guys keep underestimating Giants. They have one of the most stacked rosters with the most firepower in this event.
exactly, cloud nukkye and rhyme have absurd firepower. Hoody has always been very reliable. Im a bit iffy on Fit1nho, he never really convinced me much but hopefully he can atleast keep up with his teammates
wizardbot [#18]Kcorp can be much better if they get Enzo to replace Newzera. He plays similar roles and can IGL. Xms didn't do well the last series but he was absolutely smurfing in T2 EU so I have faith. Kcorp can improve so much but idk if they're even thinking about changes
KCorp could be ok with Enzo, but even still its all down to how well Enzo can IGL and its hard to rate it based on Apeks' games alone. XMS was doing really well in French VRL, but he was playing Chamber for most part. Also they are super limited if they want to stay French speaking and its going to be hard to change language if/when it happens.
babysasuke [#19]Coping or delusional
Theres no way you believe this, they dont even have one of the most stacked rosters in EMEA
Cloud best player in the ex-NAVI (he is similar to Zekken imo)
nukkye and hoody best players in G2 (carried a dead squad to international events)
F1tinho best player in previous Giants (still has really high firepower)
rhyme is probably one of the IGLs with the most firepower like stax
Daniveus [#23]Cloud best player in the ex-NAVI (he is similar to Zekken imo)
nukkye and hoody best players in G2 (carried a dead squad to international events)
F1tinho best player in previous Giants (still has really high firepower)
rhyme is probably one of the IGLs with the most firepower like stax
ex-Navi was a 7-8th place team in EMEA, replace Cloud with Zekken and ex-Navi makes top 2 EMEA
GWHO???? aintoway youre using the performances on that roster to say these players are good.
Previous Giants was a VRL team, they would have gotten 13-0'd by Dark Ratio
Rhyme is good from playing in NA for 2 years, but not good enough to carry these bots
babysasuke [#24]ex-Navi was a 7-8th place team in EMEA, replace Cloud with Zekken and ex-Navi makes top 2 EMEA
GWHO???? aintoway youre using the performances on that roster to say these players are good.
Previous Giants was a VRL team, they would have gotten 13-0'd by Dark Ratio
Rhyme is good from playing in NA for 2 years, but not good enough to carry these bots
and you call me delusional. You know nothing about the EMEA scene.
Daniveus [#23]Cloud best player in the ex-NAVI (he is similar to Zekken imo)
nukkye and hoody best players in G2 (carried a dead squad to international events)
F1tinho best player in previous Giants (still has really high firepower)
rhyme is probably one of the IGLs with the most firepower like stax
fitinho is dogshit.
Daniveus [#26]and you call me delusional. You know nothing about the EMEA scene.
all I did was spit facts and you went full cope, unlucky SHITMEA ego can't handle the truth about the state of their league :/
babysasuke [#28]all I did was spit facts and you went full cope, unlucky SHITMEA ego can't handle the truth about the state of their league :/
I say Cloud is good like Zekken and you say NAVI with zekken makes top 2 EU. Which statement is the most delusional? lmao
Xerol [#12]Its because Americas are 2 continents and EMEA is like, 1.5 or something. We had hella talent before, just spread across a bajillion teams competing in NA circuit. Now EMEA who had a good few teams, with only the best few making it to the best tourneys, has all of their talent spread across more teams, because of the size of the region. not to mention the difference in both of our t2 scenes.
edit: also its like, the first tourney of the year. chill out and it'll prolly end up like 21 masters Reykjavik honestly. All of the teams need a bit to become their peak form.
Balanced take, but not really true. NA is just better at the moment.
We'll see how the rest of the year pans out
Daniveus [#29]I say Cloud is good like Zekken and you say NAVI with zekken makes top 2 EU. Which statement is the most delusional? lmao
Definitely yours
Zekken diffs bot cloud with his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back
Average_VLR_User [#20]its because of the slot distribution, NA only had 5 teams so the best players got picked while talent got distributed more in EMEA with 10 teams
We still got teams like TGRD,FaZe and M80 in Ascension league who can give tough fight in league (Guard can actually win easily)
and EMEA Ascension teams Apeks and Acend? these teams will get clapped by APAC Ascension teams (Bleed,MiTH) KEKW
Monsterr would single handedly 1v5 entirety of APAC. Dont compare EMEA bottom to APAC lmao, even your franchised teams look awful.
MiguelArtz [#25]The future of EMEA doesnt look bright either. thousand VLRs dont promote good new upcoming teams
babysasuke [#31]Definitely yours
Zekken diffs bot cloud with his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back
ok you are trolling.
MiguelArtz [#25]The future of EMEA doesnt look bright either. thousand VLRs dont promote good new upcoming teams
Absolutely, there is no reason for so many VRLs. TR, EU 1 and EU 2 and CIS would have been enough.
Glycoroldas [#37]It feels as if EMEA's ascension teams are more competitive than currently franchised teams lol
same with DFM, even in Japan I would find two teams better than them
MiguelArtz [#25]The future of EMEA doesnt look bright either. thousand VLRs dont promote good new upcoming teams
Cap you guys have nats, chronicle, and redgar
wizardbot [#13]Really? We'll see Ig. Personally I feel Fnatic, Liquid and Navi are atleast on the same level as every NA team and better than EG.
lets see them play b4 we say that lol, i dont have much confidence in liquid
Why are people suprised about this? KOIs first outing as a core at all, and then they go against the best core in history, ofc they lose. Giants, Heretics, Vitality are all budget teams. CK and the turkish teams are ofc. meh at best. EMEA will be ruled by FNC and Navi with Liquid and KOI maybe stitching them a bit.
wizardbot [#13]Really? We'll see Ig. Personally I feel Fnatic, Liquid and Navi are atleast on the same level as every NA team and better than EG.
Fnatic cannot be trusted. Their coaching staff especially is not good. They've always had issues with their map pool, and they've always had a permaban so they can't even play around with the veto to surprise opponents.
Their new permaban will be pearl, just watch. And i still don't trust their breeze. A year released and still not good at it. Until i'm proven wrong, i wont trust FNC and their map pool.
NAVI and TL i have more faith in
babysasuke [#24]ex-Navi was a 7-8th place team in EMEA, replace Cloud with Zekken and ex-Navi makes top 2 EMEA
GWHO???? aintoway youre using the performances on that roster to say these players are good.
Previous Giants was a VRL team, they would have gotten 13-0'd by Dark Ratio
Rhyme is good from playing in NA for 2 years, but not good enough to carry these bots
Cloud is at the same level as Shao and Chronicle, having shitter teammates for most of his career does not make him a bad player.
patuj [#22]KCorp could be ok with Enzo, but even still its all down to how well Enzo can IGL and its hard to rate it based on Apeks' games alone. XMS was doing really well in French VRL, but he was playing Chamber for most part. Also they are super limited if they want to stay French speaking and its going to be hard to change language if/when it happens.
doesnt matter, scream insists on IGL-ing so even if enzo joined he wouldnt be allowed to IGL
Gqviria [#48]How many trophies does Cloud have?
He had shitter teammates for his whole career, he's like 2021 Shao in that regard.
babysasuke [#31]Definitely yours
Zekken diffs bot cloud with his eyes closed and his hands tied behind his back
Cloud diffs whole of NA with his monitor turned off
Moiraine [#49]doesnt matter, scream insists on IGL-ing so even if enzo joined he wouldnt be allowed to IGL
True as well and it suck. Scream is one of the best players in terms of mechanics and Nivera is good enough to be on top team, but now both of them are in team with no seeable future.
patuj [#52]True as well and it suck. Scream is one of the best players in terms of mechanics and Nivera is good enough to be on top team, but now both of them are in team with no seeable future.
Yes they are nerfing the region to speak french in-game, fuck that shit
And idk why scream is sabotaging himself
yungbasel [#30]Balanced take, but not really true. NA is just better at the moment.
We'll see how the rest of the year pans out
Tbf that's what i meant when i said it'll end up like 21 Reykjavik, NA was seen as best, but then teams all over the world started picking up on meta stuff a lot quicker. But now the talent needs to be guided into whatever is best for their team's style of play is.
Itsover [#50]He had shitter teammates for his whole career, he's like 2021 Shao in that regard.
I agree that Cloud is very good, however he is not better than NRG.
Moiraine [#43]Fnatic cannot be trusted. Their coaching staff especially is not good. They've always had issues with their map pool, and they've always had a permaban so they can't even play around with the veto to surprise opponents.
Their new permaban will be pearl, just watch. And i still don't trust their breeze. A year released and still not good at it. Until i'm proven wrong, i wont trust FNC and their map pool.
NAVI and TL i have more faith in
Breeze? You just woke up from a 3 month nap?
Gqviria [#55]I agree that Cloud is very good, however he is not better than NRG.
You saw what trexx did to nrg on the 1st day, cloud is a bit better than trexx(like 10% better). His much better individually than every nrg player for sure.
Itsover [#57]You saw what trexx did to nrg on the 1st day, cloud is a bit better than trexx(like 10% better). His much better individually than every nrg player for sure.
Saying that he is better than Trexx is a stretch given the facts that trexx has been proven against OpTic/NRG, and Cloud only to Detonation, but we will see
cryyBAE [#2]Besides FNC/Navi and maybe Liquid, the rest EMEA teams are really mid
dude said maybe Liquid. Liquid hella strong
Gqviria [#58]Saying that he is better than Trexx is a stretch given the facts that trexx has been proven against OpTic/NRG, and Cloud only to Detonation, but we will see
You don't follow cis scene I see, derke and cloud have been og cis prodigies(other than Gambit and Shaos) since crowcrowd days, derke got more lucky with teammates afterwards tho. If SUMN/Fnatic got them both and not just derke who knows how many trophies they would have already won.
Wylie [#56]Breeze? You just woke up from a 3 month nap?
they said themselves it was a cheese comp
It wouldnt work again
Itsover [#60]You don't follow cis scene I see, derke and cloud have been og cis prodigies(other than Gambit and Shaos) since crowcrowd days, derke got more lucky with teammates afterwards tho. If SUMN/Fnatic got them both and not just derke who knows how many trophies they would have already won.
I certainly don't watch CiS since the stream were only on Russian, but either way, you can believe that Cloud is better than Trexx, still he needs to prove himself
Moiraine [#61]they said themselves it was a cheese comp
It wouldnt work again
It isn't in the map pool buddy
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