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R2.0 ACS K D A +/– KAST ADR HS% FK FD +/–
omen
1.28 1.53 1.05 214 204 224 18 10 8 / 13 4 9 / 4 2 2 +5 +6 -1 78% 91% 67% 135 122 146 24% 24% 24% 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
jett
1.22 1.18 1.25 269 237 300 22 10 12 / 15 7 8 / 3 2 1 +7 +3 +4 74% 73% 75% 160 153 166 30% 41% 21% 7 3 4 6 4 2 +1 -1 +2
sova
1.14 1.06 1.20 200 130 265 16 9 7 / 12 4 8 / 8 5 3 +4 +5 -1 70% 73% 67% 128 90 163 22% 18% 24% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
sage
0.74 0.64 0.84 156 108 201 15 7 8 / 18 9 9 / 4 4 0 -3 -2 -1 74% 82% 67% 92 74 109 36% 33% 38% 0 0 0 1 1 0 -1 -1 0
reyna
0.63 0.94 0.34 213 302 132 13 9 4 / 22 11 11 / 10 5 5 -9 -2 -7 70% 73% 67% 142 195 93 20% 29% 8% 4 3 1 3 0 3 +1 +3 -2
R2.0 ACS K D A +/– KAST ADR HS% FK FD +/–
jett
1.32 1.50 1.12 268 271 265 21 11 10 / 15 6 9 / 1 0 1 +6 +5 +1 70% 67% 73% 170 177 163 30% 32% 29% 2 0 2 3 0 3 -1 0 -1
viper
0.98 1.38 0.54 212 263 157 18 12 6 / 16 9 7 / 1 1 0 +2 +3 -1 57% 67% 45% 129 170 83 28% 32% 21% 3 2 1 3 1 2 0 +1 -1
killjoy
0.94 1.02 0.86 192 187 200 14 7 7 / 15 8 7 / 6 6 0 -1 -1 0 70% 75% 64% 140 145 134 21% 20% 21% 4 2 2 2 2 0 +2 0 +2
sage
0.77 0.67 0.87 131 131 132 10 4 6 / 17 9 8 / 9 7 2 -7 -5 -2 74% 83% 64% 83 86 79 23% 14% 40% 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
raze
0.73 0.87 0.58 227 252 200 17 11 6 / 21 11 10 / 6 2 4 -4 0 -4 74% 75% 73% 151 156 145 15% 14% 15% 1 1 0 3 2 1 -2 -1 -1
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R2.0 ACS K D A +/– KAST ADR HS% FK FD +/–
omen astra
1.48 1.05 1.33 203 204 211 27 19 8 / 16 7 9 / 8 5 3 +11 +12 -1 81% 87% 69% 131 128 135 22% 20% 24% 3 2 1 1 0 1 +2 +2 0
jett
1.28 1.20 1.25 269 260 288 35 22 13 / 23 14 9 / 6 5 1 +12 +8 +4 81% 83% 77% 162 167 153 27% 29% 21% 11 7 4 7 5 2 +4 +2 +2
sova sage
1.14 1.41 1.24 230 175 305 28 18 10 / 17 9 8 / 15 10 5 +11 +9 +2 81% 87% 69% 133 123 151 30% 35% 24% 2 2 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 0
sage cypher
1.13 0.92 1.06 198 175 207 28 19 9 / 22 13 9 / 7 7 0 +6 +6 0 83% 91% 69% 110 115 100 26% 21% 38% 2 1 1 1 1 0 +1 0 +1
reyna
1.48 0.31 1.05 283 344 122 31 27 4 / 28 16 12 / 13 8 5 +3 +11 -8 78% 87% 62% 169 217 86 23% 27% 8% 6 5 1 3 0 3 +3 +5 -2
R2.0 ACS K D A +/– KAST ADR HS% FK FD +/–
jett
1.39 0.65 0.91 180 250 178 24 11 13 / 28 7 21 / 1 0 1 -4 +4 -8 53% 62% 48% 129 163 110 27% 32% 26% 2 0 2 6 0 6 -4 0 -4
raze reyna
0.80 0.80 0.79 222 232 219 26 11 15 / 34 12 22 / 8 2 6 -8 -1 -7 72% 69% 74% 144 144 143 13% 14% 13% 1 1 0 4 3 1 -3 -2 -1
viper sova
1.29 0.45 0.76 174 243 152 23 13 10 / 29 10 19 / 6 1 5 -6 +3 -9 56% 69% 48% 114 157 89 32% 32% 32% 3 2 1 7 1 6 -4 +1 -5
sage omen
0.62 0.82 0.74 154 121 163 17 4 13 / 30 10 20 / 11 7 4 -13 -6 -7 69% 85% 61% 98 79 108 23% 14% 28% 2 1 1 2 1 1 0 0 0
killjoy
1.02 0.43 0.64 129 172 133 16 8 8 / 28 9 19 / 7 6 1 -12 -1 -11 56% 77% 43% 104 134 87 18% 20% 16% 4 2 2 5 2 3 -1 0 -1
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reyna
1.79 1.98 0.01 352 382   18 18 0 / 6 5 1 / 3 3 0 +12 +13 -1 92% 100%   218 236   26% 26%   2 2 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 0
cypher
1.61 1.59 1.96 239 237 280 13 12 1 / 4 4 0 / 3 3 0 +9 +8 +1 100% 100% 100% 141 153   18% 18%   2 1 1 0 0 0 +2 +1 +1
sage
1.43 1.21 3.99 260 216 789 12 9 3 / 5 5 0 / 7 5 2 +7 +4 +3 100% 100% 100% 141 153   48% 48%   2 2 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 0
astra
1.41 1.44 1.12 192 203 55 9 9 0 / 3 3 0 / 4 3 1 +6 +6   85% 83% 100% 124 134   17% 17%   2 2 0 0 0 0 +2 +2 0
jett
1.31 1.37 0.59 269 280 144 13 12 1 / 8 7 1 / 3 3 0 +5 +5 0 92% 92% 100% 166 179   23% 23%   4 4 0 1 1 0 +3 +3 0
R2.0 ACS K D A +/– KAST ADR HS% FK FD +/–
reyna
0.89 0.01 1.00 217 0 236 9 0 9 / 13 1 12 / 2 0 2 -4 -1 -3 69% 0% 75% 131 0 142 11%   11% 0 0 0 1 1 0 -1 -1 0
omen
0.69 0.02 0.76 177 0 192 7 0 7 / 13 1 12 / 2 0 2 -6 -1 -5 62% 100% 58% 124 0 135 23%   23% 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0
sova
0.36 0.23 0.37 135 0 147 5 1 4 / 13 1 12 / 5 0 5 -8 0 -8 54% 100% 50% 88 0 95 45%   45% 0 0 0 4 0 4 -4 0 -4
jett
0.18 0.01 0.21 91 0 99 3 0 3 / 13 1 12 / 0 0 0 -10 -1 -9 23% 0% 25% 57 0 61 23%   23% 0 0 0 3 0 3 -3 0 -3
killjoy
0.10 1.02 0.04 66 0 72 2 1 1 / 13 1 12 / 1 0 1 -11 0 -11 31% 100% 25% 41 0 45 7%   7% 0 0 0 3 0 3 -3 0 -3
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#1
Swiftmal12
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SEN vs Soniqs (Ex-Exo Clan best team OCE) 2-0 SEN Domination

#2
Cheasle2
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Sentinels vs Soniqs.
YEAH THE BOYS!

#3
Tundai
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SEN VS SONIQS LETS GOOOO

#4
bleghfarec
40
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unfortunate SEN has to be eliminated this early :(

#10
jieuny
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i believe

#35
Cheasle2
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xd

#110
xd_mau5
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This didn't aged well
XD

#5
Scottyboi30
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The match we’ve all been waiting for oce #1 vs Na #1

#71
NSG_Observer_2
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text
NA vs OCE IN A NUTSHELL

#74
greedeetv
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You need to fix your link pls :)

#6
Swiftmal12
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Sucks we didn't get a stream interested to see if SEN will ban bind with how much weakness Soniqs showed vs C9 White

#59
sarahjames
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it is getting streamed

#7
30Spence
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Best team in NA vs best team from OCE, time to see how the regions stack up

#8
Dylxn
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So without you weird Irons replying, I am genuinely wondering since I don’t watch Australian valorant, will this be a good match up or a sen stomping?

#9
Cheasle2
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WILL be good.

#12
Swiftmal12
7
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No one knows really how good OCE is so it could be close or a smash

#13
jieuny
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def a good game

#14
greedeetv
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I mean, we can guess, but we don't know. They were very dominant in Australian valorant, but there's just no concrete way to compare it to North American valorant. I can say that Soniqs probably do deserve their #9 rating, though. But, against the #1 team in NA? I doubt they can win, but I'm sure it will be interesting.

#26
Meliodus
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I don't think they will win man but still should be a good game.

#28
dads_scrotum
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Sen will almost certainly 2-0 but SQ could make it interesting. Realistically SQ are going to be fighting to be a top 8 team, at least for now. dont expect much more then some nice lurks in terms of tactics tho

#11
JcUnit
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My 2 favourite teams let’s gooooo

#15
Swiftmal12
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Kappa

#16
gutszeraa
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SEN will win comfortably, probably won;t be a stomp though

#17
beb0p
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very wise words my friend

#149
Polarwanda
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This comment didn’t well😓

#18
codyd369
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Exciting game hopefully. Sentinels win in a close 2-0.

#19
Acount123
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Austrailians have almost no expeirenice probably so this will most likely just be 13-10 13-4 but idk probably

#20
beb0p
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why such a hater bro

#56
Candy
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He's just spitting facts

#58
beb0p
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spitting the hate*

#36
retardtrollnoobs
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nice one noob shit opinion

#88
greedeetv
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Did you actually just edit your comment like that. This is why this dude needs the boot. ADMINS WYA.

#126
Acount123
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I edited to fix spelling...

#127
greedeetv
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I mean, this isn't the first time you edited a comment to make yourself look better. It's ok, we all know what really happened :)

#21
hilo0829
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if by some chance soniq wins here, their career will just pop off lol i think its good for them to actually verse sentinels than any other top NA teams

hopefully we see a close game here

#22
ronjn
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hypesauce

#23
Fattest_Lard
-1
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Sen 2-0 and the maps will be like 13-9 and 13-7 I think. Definitely the most interesting game of this round

#24
nguyen
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if katie was on sentinals soniq's struggle KEKW

#25
Swiftmal12
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I wouldn't replace anyone on sentinels with her tbh

#27
jayy
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2-1 sen

#29
Enjibi
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LET'S GO SQ

#30
raka_gg
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Nice game for the main stream, I really want to watch 13-3 13-2 match.....

#31
w1nT3r
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I feel like you come here just for the negative attention, and that you think any attention is good attention.

#32
ranker11
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Well forums can't be fun without trolls

#33
plas
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i mean soniqs has a close game with c9 white... we all know SEN would demolish c9w so the same thing is probably going to happen here. Maybe closer but still convincing win

#40
puxk
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They did have a close game with C9W on bind but that’s just the nature of this game. No matter how good you guys might be, the other team can get lucky and make it close. Also, sentinels doesn’t really play bind (not before masters), so I think they will probably ban it.

#45
plas
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SEN beat faze in bind every time they played and faze was looking like the best in bind NA so if that doesnt speak to u that soniqs are literally going against top 1 NA and dont stand a chance idk

#48
NSG_Observer_2
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true its going to be a quick 2-0 for sen australians are trash at valorant

#49
beb0p
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racista smh

#50
NSG_Observer_2
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bruh they barely beat a t3 team and are the best team in australia what am i supposed to think. Also I know you have been defending sinatraa

#51
Fattest_Lard
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1 map being close doesn't mean they barely beat them in the series... Soniqs rolled C9W on the 1st map so the series as a whole wasn't very close

#34
sarahjames
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let's see what happens the way soniqs played against C9 white in ascent and bind were totally different... but i think sentinels will win 2-0

#39
addiVAL
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i really hope no team gets stomped on cause i hope no region is behind the meta i want all of the regions to be alike and not like cs where europe was dominating i am just hoping for a close exciting game!

#42
kyieori
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soniqs will get at least 8 rounds on both maps, but it'll be a SEN 2-0

#156
TheArcticArcher
0
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no

#43
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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With how close bind was on that C9 White game, I would be very surprised to see anything other, than a sentinels 2-0.

#44
zacouigejbibio
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Hope Soniqs will have a good showing

#46
whatspoppin
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eyy lets go senpaimadaraaaaa

#47
supernova
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I am happy to see an Australian team in the spotlight. They suffer so much to build something more lasting in the region, I feel bad for them.

That said, I think it will be 2-0 SEN but I hope it will be close games.

#52
Noyn
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I will be very happy if the NA champion takes a stomp, the meme about this region needs to survive!!

#55
GetsystheGr8
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NA and Brazil rule valorant EU stands no chance

#57
kocunar
1
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COPIUM

#53
Mage
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This will be a great match, win or lose, there is so much good that comes from a matchup like this.

#54
GetsystheGr8
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SEN win 2-0 13-7 on bind and 13-3 on Ascent

#60
STRAWHAT
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Crazy RO32 matchup should be a good one glhf

#61
Philosopher_Stone
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Soniqs will show NA why viper is a must pick on icebox

(not a biased viper main)

#62
greedeetv
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Yeah the aim's definitely there for the Aussies

#63
ideekae
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Soniqs still don’t have a good read on the NA play style but their mechanics are cleaaaaan

#64
kocunar
1
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should be finals

#65
greedeetv
0
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Yeah this should be a round of 8 or 4 game rather than a ro32

#66
Ryuzaki
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I love both of these teams and this is so exciting to watch omg :D

#68
greedeetv
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For real! (But I'm still rooting for Soniqs) ;)

#79
Ryuzaki
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me too kinda haha!

#67
Samraat
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Nice try NA !!

#129
hubbwi
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wrong region

#69
kyLeria_
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Icebox is soo t sided map, its exciting to see that they can compete with them but not over yet. (i mean 7-5 half is not very good for t side)

#75
kyLeria_
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okay tbh, i would not expect sentinels cant make the setup that soniqs make on t side, its keep getting even more exciting match-up guys wow

#76
PrTsty
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Its not t sided in esports just in ranked

#70
Jockie
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What a BANGER!

#72
teemu
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NA zoomers having the realization of what NAs true esports level is LMFAOOOO

this game came out at a perfect time for fresh NA kids to live in delusion of actually being good at the game

#115
XQOM
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Aged like milk. 13-0 after this lol

#150
Polarwanda
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You must feel so dumb right now.

#73
ValdemieGC
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NA absolutely EXPOSED

#91
BIGTROLL
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?

#77
Philosopher_Stone
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Let’s go bob!!!! (Bob is bob btw, I call him by his first name because we are tight like that. Yeah I know pro players, not a big deal to me lol)

#134
eyza
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lmao

#78
plas
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Everyone is getting too skeptical about NA already when its just one match and no one has even won yet... Soniqs are clearly insane but dont take credit away from SEN.

#80
dudeeee
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damn better than expected first match
only if soniq could aim they woulda actually won cus they read sentinels rly well

#152
Slotthyduke
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aim wasn't saving them in a 13-0 bro

#81
Acount123
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yikes, this is the best team in OCE?

#82
greedeetv
4
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Aren't you the one that said 13-2?

#84
Acount123
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??

#104
Acount123
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Oh ya my bad got that off by two rounds

#112
greedeetv
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No, on map two you said "13-4". You were off by four rounds.

#131
Acount123
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I thought OCE were bad, but I didn't think they were this bad

#144
w1nT3r
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...they played the best team in NA as their first real test. I will never understand that mindset.

#85
bigpeensheen
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YEA, they were mad close to beating them and this is the best team in NA they went up against

#87
Fattest_Lard
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did you expect the best OCE team to beat the best team in NA? Map 1 was very close and there's still 2 maps left and even if they lose map 2, as long as they keep it close, then this would be a good showing from Soniqs

#122
Acount123
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At least they kept it close

#83
BIGTROLL
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OCE tried their best even with Tenz playing bad Sentinels get the first dub

#86
kocunar
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aussies are cracked, gj

#89
BluWasTaken
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nt

#90
xPR13ST
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NA > OCE... sit down Island country

#92
Noyn
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Aussies are very good, if NA sweated to beat these guys in the aims, imagine when to play against BR and EU LMAO

#94
BIGTROLL
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tbf tenz wasnt playing well the first match but when he does play well we have a near perfect half by Sentinels

#116
eaSin
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Yea they were really sweating as you can tell by the odins and 13-0 on Split

#93
Colonel95
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This must be the worst agent selection i've ever seen, could work in plat competitive lobby(full troll mode tough)

#95
greedeetv
0
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I agree. I'm not sure I like Sova over Sage. Rest of the picks are pretty good though based on what I've seen. Maybe cypher > killjoy.

#96
Fattest_Lard
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?

#97
BIGTROLL
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this didnt age well :(

#98
plas
1
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10-0 so far... so where are the people who said NA was getting shit on now?

#99
capita1
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Why is everyone being so toxic for zero. Soniqs is a good team, it is actually impressive that Sentinels won Icebox, it shows that they have good fundamentals

#132
hubbwi
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that 13-0 sure was impressive

#100
dudeeee
3
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ff boys

#101
xd_mau5
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NO WAY HAHAHAHAHA

#102
jayy
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oh noey...

#103
yunoo
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"NA GETTING EXPOSED" LOOOL 13-0 NA>>>

#105
Cheasle2
8
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GG still proud of the boys.

#117
syn505
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NA > OCE it has to be said

#119
capita1
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its a good team

#106
Estiggma
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oh shit hahaha

#107
NSG_Observer_2
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LMAO CALLED ITTTTTTTTTTT

#108
Marstarr
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13 - 0CE

#109
greedeetv
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WELP. They put in good work on Icebox. NT.

#111
dudeeee
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just waiting for australia laugh thread

#113
PG_newt
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lol all the austrailians: EZ for soniqs austrailia is best
13-0 lol

#114
BIGTROLL
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Sheesh 13-0 by Sentinels.... well gg thought it would be closer XD

#118
Scar98
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13-0, yeah, I expected Oceania to be bad but not like this -_-

#120
greedeetv
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I mean... in what world did they play bad? They played better than one might expect from a 32 seed, and vlr.gg ranking is still pretty accurate imo.

#124
BIGTROLL
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dawg they lost 13-0 on a map, thats pretty bad even the noah aiello won a round yesterday

#125
capita1
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People were just ciclejerking for whatever team had the most rounds. At the end of the day that Icebox game was really fun to watch, for Soniqs is all about not letting this split game hurt to much.

#123
NAValornatPog
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overhyped bye bye

#128
Noyn
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Good game at ICEBOX aussies, Mwzera will put these guys in their place.

#130
Swiftmal12
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Mwerza aggression will not pass in NA or EU, Vikings showed that

#133
greedeetv
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I mean it would work a hell of a lot better against the SENs and the FaZes of NA because of their tendency to rely on aim duels. EU I agree though.

#137
Swiftmal12
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Did you not just watch what SEN did on split they never took individual duels unless they could be traded and I feel like FaZe's overall roster is stronger

#138
greedeetv
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Granted, there was a lot of teamplay, but they won a lot because of individual aim battles. TenZ was losing aimduels left and right on icebox, and individual duels were a big reason why they nearly lost. Once he started winning his battles, they choo-choo'd their way through the second half of icebox and 13-0'd split. It definitely makes a big difference.

#141
Noyn
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The way Vikings neutralized Gamelanders has nothing to do with passivity..

#135
xdee1234
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soniqs best team in oce tier 3 in na

#136
greedeetv
3
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Sure, they might be a little inconsistent when it comes to maps, but definitely not tier 3. High tier 2/low tier 1.

#139
Mimi_gma
1
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One of the funniest matches LMFAO love SEN

#140
Nasreddin
1
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Kind of a choke to not win map 1 IMO, burgers will gloat map 2, no big deal. Marathon not a sprint. There is something here.

#143
NSG_Observer_2
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lmao why did me and you lose our stars

#146
raka_gg
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Because beebop is downvoting all of our shit with his 3 alt accounts

#147
NSG_Observer_2
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someone made an alt called NSG_OBSERVER_22 trying to get me banned it was prob beb0p kid is obsessed with me

#148
plas
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just make an extra account each of u and upvote ur stuff lol it makes sense how beebop has 4 stars

#151
xdee1234
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bebop has 4 stars bc the mf sent damn near 600 messages in 2 weeks

#153
plas
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this mf probably spends more time on this website than watching the games lmao

#145
Scottyboi30
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Didn’t show in split sadly icebox was good though, I hope for improvements in challengers 2 but we’ll have to wait. Playing sen straight away was a bit tough seeing they had only played 5 matches in 3 months or something like that. Not having practice and getting used to the NA meta will be different cant wait for the future of soniqs

#154
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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I mean when you have an international match like this between top teams the question isn't about "getting adjusted" to a meta, the question is which meta is superior. If I were Soniqs, I would not spend a day practicing on their playing field, rather bringing my playing field to them and tripping them up, like they did on Icebox.

#155
ranker11
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And this is why no pro teams use sova on split

#157
elijah-nsic-
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Sova on split is a lil odd never seen it before

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