This might be an internet explorer moment, but I'm trying to understand FNS' reasoning behind these tweets.
I agree with the fact that people deserve second chances but when the decision Carlos made cost not only himself but employees and others millions of dollars you have to wonder where the line is drawn.
Link for reference: https://twitter.com/FNS/status/1573454945801719810
his actions didn't necessarily cost them all that money, Riot still made the decision. People arent giving riot enough flack for doing that, it was riot participating in this overly ambitious cancel culture that caused G2 to get fucked, and worst part is they gave the spot to EG/NRG (one of them wasnt getting it lets be real) i would have much rather have G2 than those two orgs. also why didnt riot just tell them to remove carlos and they are still in? shit is so cringe and FNS is right, like carlos is fucked for being at the same party as AT, like whaat if he does a 180 and becomes mother teresa? his life wont get unfucked
capital_d_colon [#2]hes blindsided by what carlos has done in the past.
They have a history together? What has he specifically done?
LMM4 [#7]They have a history together? What has he specifically done?
More like what Carlos did/was for g2.
traviswheeler [#6]his actions didn't necessarily cost them all that money, Riot still made the decision. People arent giving riot enough flack for doing that, it was riot participating in this overly ambitious cancel culture that caused G2 to get fucked, and worst part is they gave the spot to EG/NRG (one of them wasnt getting it lets be real) i would have much rather have G2 than those two orgs. also why didnt riot just tell them to remove carlos and they are still in? shit is so cringe and FNS is right, like carlos is fucked for being at the same party as AT, like whaat if he does a 180 and becomes mother teresa? his life wont get unfucked
his actions didn't necessarily cost them all that money, Riot still made the decision.
His actions DID cost him all of that money. You have to understand that Riot is also a business trying to make a profit. Including G2 in franchising would be a significant PR hit. I don't understand how deflecting the blame to Riot undoes any of Carlos' actions.
LMM4 [#12]his actions didn't necessarily cost them all that money, Riot still made the decision.
His actions DID cost him all of that money. You have to understand that Riot is also a business trying to make a profit. Including G2 in franchising would be a significant PR hit. I don't understand how deflecting the blame to Riot undoes any of Carlos' actions.
not only is it a PR hit now, it also shows that G2 is a loose cannon that at any moment could start controversy because of their CEO
firo [#10]what does he mean by automatically lose the right to change yourself for the better, i mean everyone has all the rights to that. actions have consequences, face the consequences then do better. it’s not mutually exclusive.
ok but why are the consequences so big for such a small thing
LMM4 [#12]his actions didn't necessarily cost them all that money, Riot still made the decision.
His actions DID cost him all of that money. You have to understand that Riot is also a business trying to make a profit. Including G2 in franchising would be a significant PR hit. I don't understand how deflecting the blame to Riot undoes any of Carlos' actions.
yeah Riot is a business but doesnt make what they did right just cuz they did it for business lol. g2 deserved that spot over orgs like EG/NRG and riot could have told g2 that they could have the spot if they get rid of carlos, and that would be totally fair, but instead they did this bullshit over a temporary incursion, shit coulda blown over eventually, they could have gotten rid of carlos, but riot made such a huge decision on a whim
lorenzopajaroFC [#4]Bro wasn’t fired because of cancel culture or because he can’t be forgiven, he proved an unreliable CEO to a big company and got fired for it, why y’all defending this billionaire as if his life is over because of this
Bro the man done so much more for the org than bad things
lorenzopajaroFC [#4]Bro wasn’t fired because of cancel culture or because he can’t be forgiven, he proved an unreliable CEO to a big company and got fired for it, why y’all defending this billionaire as if his life is over because of this
W take, Carlos will be fine lmao, he got fired because of money, not cancel culture
traviswheeler [#16]yeah Riot is a business but doesnt make what they did right just cuz they did it for business lol. g2 deserved that spot over orgs like EG/NRG and riot could have told g2 that they could have the spot if they get rid of carlos, and that would be totally fair, but instead they did this bullshit over a temporary incursion, shit coulda blown over eventually, they could have gotten rid of carlos, but riot made such a huge decision on a whim
I'm not saying that Riot is necessarily the good guy here, I'm simply stating that Riot did what they thought was necessary to maintain their reputation and in the meanwhile make money.
lorenzopajaroFC [#4]Bro wasn’t fired because of cancel culture or because he can’t be forgiven, he proved an unreliable CEO to a big company and got fired for it, why y’all defending this billionaire as if his life is over because of this
brother? Cancel is completely related to this lol , if people wouldnt give a fuck then Riot wouldnt made this decision
elayaCL [#13]He went full W.
He had to explain something really simple that a lot of people can't understand (low iq maybe).
Also throws a shade of how stupid is to assume that if someone doesn't say anything against a situation, doesn't mean that it supports the matter.
W
Rakzr [#18]FNS should stop caring about cancel culture and care more about practice his trash aim LUL
Nah , he needed to spit some facts before starting training
lorenzopajaroFC [#4]Bro wasn’t fired because of cancel culture or because he can’t be forgiven, he proved an unreliable CEO to a big company and got fired for it, why y’all defending this billionaire as if his life is over because of this
if carlos is a billionaire I am a gray porsche 2002
elayaCL [#13]He went full W.
He had to explain something really simple that a lot of people can't understand (low iq maybe).
Also throws a shade of how stupid is to assume that if someone doesn't say anything against a situation, doesn't mean that it supports the matter.
W
LMM4 [#12]his actions didn't necessarily cost them all that money, Riot still made the decision.
His actions DID cost him all of that money. You have to understand that Riot is also a business trying to make a profit. Including G2 in franchising would be a significant PR hit. I don't understand how deflecting the blame to Riot undoes any of Carlos' actions.
People here doesn't understand this is a business. Riot is a company, G2 is a company. Money, funding, alliances and sponsorship moves it.
Not judging that, but when you are a company (or in this case, the face of a company), all those sponsors and partners are looking at you. If you make a bad move, that's potential repercussion for them.
In this actual world, i can assure people that would say "oh fuck logitech, they support g2 and the GM did this stupid shit" if Carlos stayed.
Trust me guys, there's people at that level of stupidity.
LMM4 [#20]I'm not saying that Riot is necessarily the good guy here, I'm simply stating that Riot did what they thought was necessary to maintain their reputation and in the meanwhile make money.
exactly
firo [#10]what does he mean by automatically lose the right to change yourself for the better, i mean everyone has all the rights to that. actions have consequences, face the consequences then do better. it’s not mutually exclusive.
the funniest thing is that carlos literally had the chance to change himself, but instead he doubled down with another tweet, then proceeded to like tweets as well. so like FNS saying that is dumb af, carlos reaction to the outcry was really the reason for all this lol
jefferystan [#29]the funniest thing is that carlos literally had the chance to change himself, but instead he doubled down with another tweet, then proceeded to like tweets as well. so like FNS saying that is dumb af, carlos reaction to the outcry was really the reason for all this lol
People don't understand this simple fact. All Carlos had to do was say "I can't control who showed up to the party mb" and moved on. Instead he doubled down and dug his grave deeper lmao
elayaCL [#28]is this bait?
is this a bait,is andrew tate fucking hitler to you or something,it really isnt a big deal expect to soyboys and feminists that are a big part of the esports scene (especially riot) and this forum included sadly, so i guess it is to those kind of people sorta like he was partying with the devil himself
Cancel culture doesn't exist, it's just karma. To profit from internet, you need to understand how it works. Irl if I liked orange juice i would just get orange juice no matter what other people think but on the internet anyone can give their opinion and can show their presence(like, comment what not). In my opinion, being sexist, racist, homophobic etc is just stupid but if you are one of that kind and you profit off of the internet people you might as well just keep your mouth shut right? What happened to carlos is just modern day capitalism. He became a brand risk so Riot didn't want to partner with him so investors lost money and they wanted him gone.
asdfgh [#31]is this a bait,is andrew tate fucking hitler to you or something,it really isnt a big deal expect to soyboys and feminists that are a big part of the esports scene (especially riot) and this forum included sadly, so i guess it is to those kind of people sorta like he was partying with the devil himself
Well, i was just asking but looks like it's a really touchy subject for you.
The thing is not about Tate, cancel culture is shit. but it's about what you do being literally the face of a company (which is just another angle/view to look the problem)
Rakzr [#18]FNS should stop caring about cancel culture and care more about practice his trash aim LUL
Gamer Kid with Valo dreams 🤡
Olofboost [#35]Do a hundred of good things - people will forget
Do one bad thing - people will rememberThe state of the internet
But what if that one bad thing outweighs everything u ever did?
GreyDaze [#36]But what if that one bad thing outweighs everything u ever did?
You don't know anything about Carlos, do you?
Guy put his life into esports. He didn't even abuse women, he just WENT TO PARTY with an abuser. It's not nearly the same thing.
SaltyMcNulty [#32]Cancel culture doesn't exist, it's just karma. To profit from internet, you need to understand how it works. Irl if I liked orange juice i would just get orange juice no matter what other people think but on the internet anyone can give their opinion and can show their presence(like, comment what not). In my opinion, being sexist, racist, homophobic etc is just stupid but if you are one of that kind and you profit off of the internet people you might as well just keep your mouth shut right? What happened to carlos is just modern day capitalism. He became a brand risk so Riot didn't want to partner with him so investors lost money and they wanted him gone.
Cancel culture does exist. This however Is really a case of a ceo making bad public relation move and doubling down and now suffering consequences due to businesses not wanting to take PR risk. Cancel culture is more of a mistake happening then the person apologizes but everyone still pushes to Cancel the person lol
Olofboost [#37]You don't know anything about Carlos, do you?
Guy put his life into esports. He didn't even abuse women, he just WENT TO PARTY with an abuser. It's not nearly the same thing.
Bro the ppl calling out or hate Carlos don't even follow or know esports scene since the beginning. I've follow league since it's early days and the things he did for esports is undeniable.What Carlos did was dumb but he also did so many dumb things and personality always doubles down in the past. This one was just too much and ppl don't get it's a stupid mistake from him.
Marty [#30]People don't understand this simple fact. All Carlos had to do was say "I can't control who showed up to the party mb" and moved on. Instead he doubled down and dug his grave deeper lmao
yea which literally lost g2 partner with riot because god knows riot cant afford any more bad pr, which means big loss of money so ofc g2 shareholders gonna get pissed. it doesnt even matter if carlos did so much for the org. this is literally capitalism at work more so than cancel culture lol
Imo, Carlos made a small problem into a bigger one. Yes he should be able to party with whoever he wants, but the way he defended himself dug himself a bigger grave. Carlos has done great things for the company he founded, but he acts like a child when he should be more professional about it. Yes esports is esports but when there is millions of dollars on the line and invested, you should be held accountable for your actions. At the end of the day Carlos partying with Andrew tate and behaving poorly on social media prevented G2 a spot in Valorants league which will cost players both the main roster and game changers roster's jobs and those who work behind the scenes. Also Yes the bts people will most likely find new jobs in new areas in g2, but it's a messy process that didn't need to happen.
Yahya [#17]Bro the man done so much more for the org than bad things
G2 will get weaker as an org without him most likely, and probably should've kept him on, but Riots decision completely made sense. He tripled down on his bromance with the top g, proving that he is an idiot who lets his feelings get in the way of the bag. Embarrassing to make that much money and be a fucking clown - all you have to do is be a lizard person online and you can do whatever degenerate shit your mind could imagine behind closed doors.
mumble [#43]G2 will get weaker as an org without him most likely, and probably should've kept him on, but Riots decision completely made sense. He tripled down on his bromance with the top g, proving that he is an idiot who lets his feelings get in the way of the bag. Embarrassing to make that much money and be a fucking clown - all you have to do is be a lizard person online and you can do whatever degenerate shit your mind could imagine behind closed doors.
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sank3tsu [#21]brother? Cancel is completely related to this lol , if people wouldnt give a fuck then Riot wouldnt made this decision
why the fuck wont people care about the face of a company big this being related to that guy
asdfgh [#31]is this a bait,is andrew tate fucking hitler to you or something,it really isnt a big deal expect to soyboys and feminists that are a big part of the esports scene (especially riot) and this forum included sadly, so i guess it is to those kind of people sorta like he was partying with the devil himself
thank u
elayaCL [#13]He went full W.
He had to explain something really simple that a lot of people can't understand (low iq maybe).
Also throws a shade of how stupid is to assume that if someone doesn't say anything against a situation, doesn't mean that it supports the matter.
W
Ullyr [#38]Cancel culture does exist. This however Is really a case of a ceo making bad public relation move and doubling down and now suffering consequences due to businesses not wanting to take PR risk. Cancel culture is more of a mistake happening then the person apologizes but everyone still pushes to Cancel the person lol
It's not cancel culture, it's just human nature to be opinionated. Even in real life often you make assumptions, form opinion without having the full picture but the difference is that on the internet information gets shared to everyone so the reaction is lot broader. So, I never understood the concept of 'cancel culture' cz it would go down the same way in real life too albeit in a lowkey way. It's the size of the internet that makes the difference.
artofsteal [#50]Why the hell did FNS have to tweet about it, man?
imagine tweeting weird shit when hes a free agent lol
mumble [#43]G2 will get weaker as an org without him most likely, and probably should've kept him on, but Riots decision completely made sense. He tripled down on his bromance with the top g, proving that he is an idiot who lets his feelings get in the way of the bag. Embarrassing to make that much money and be a fucking clown - all you have to do is be a lizard person online and you can do whatever degenerate shit your mind could imagine behind closed doors.
g2s personality has attracted alot of fans that g2 has, but people dont see that
acels1 [#51]imagine tweeting weird shit when hes a free agent lol
Seriously. FNS is how old now?
People are such bitches on the internet dude.
elayaCL [#33]Well, i was just asking but looks like it's a really touchy subject for you.
The thing is not about Tate, cancel culture is shit. but it's about what you do being literally the face of a company (which is just another angle/view to look the problem)
well it wouldnt be a big deal without those people making a big deal out of it costing them pr,but yes it is a extremely touchy subject to me personally i understand you were just asking
elayaCL [#13]He went full W.
He had to explain something really simple that a lot of people can't understand (low iq maybe).
Also throws a shade of how stupid is to assume that if someone doesn't say anything against a situation, doesn't mean that it supports the matter.
W
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