lets be honest apac doesnt have alot of financially stable orgs. Thats why riot obviously choose to partner with these teams who they thought were much better candidates.
However, there is like 5 korean orgs which means not enough korean players who are geniuenly good. this means orgs will 100% get talent from other regions of apac.
I feel it will be like liquid csgo. EU org with NA roster and NA fans
M0K1 [#2]not to mention the league is based in Seoul itself the orgs could provide players with better facilities in their own country
that aswell. the league is based in seoul meaning korean orgs have the best facilities and offices there for the players
The problem isn't the org themselves, its how with this move APAC would basically have its entire local scene killed, especially because theres no pride or nationalism when u see your own country team up there, and all you could see is fragmented teams of players.
Now there can be an argument for ascension where local teams from APAC can make it up, which most would prob will, but without big names like Xerxia from thailand or an Indo org, the fanbase from this 2 regions would slowly dissipate as theres no org for them to support and only players.
Alovant [#7]The problem isn't the org themselves, its how with this move APAC would basically have its entire local scene killed, especially because theres no pride or nationalism when u see your own country team up there, and all you could see is fragmented teams of players.
Now there can be an argument for ascension where local teams from APAC can make it up, which most would prob will, but without big names like Xerxia from thailand or an Indo org, the fanbase from this 2 regions would slowly dissipate as theres no org for them to support and only players.
but there is no other option. apac orgs cant afford to pay pros 50k usd min. they also dont have facilities in korea and probably cant afford to expand either. its a lose lose situation
Alovant [#7]The problem isn't the org themselves, its how with this move APAC would basically have its entire local scene killed, especially because theres no pride or nationalism when u see your own country team up there, and all you could see is fragmented teams of players.
Now there can be an argument for ascension where local teams from APAC can make it up, which most would prob will, but without big names like Xerxia from thailand or an Indo org, the fanbase from this 2 regions would slowly dissipate as theres no org for them to support and only players.
there will be regional leagues too in every region
If KR org decide to open academy team they undoubly will fill it with korean player as it better for their region on long term. And sooner or later all that 5 KR org will capable to run full korean teams. On top of that running full korean team will be cheaper for those org.
The problem is riot favor KR way too much that its literally giving other region no room to grow.
number1_ScreaM_fan [#8]but there is no other option. apac orgs cant afford to pay pros 50k usd min. they also dont have facilities in korea and probably cant afford to expand either. its a lose lose situation
but There are teams that can pay that amount or close to that? You have persija from indonesia, Xerxia which have alot of backing, Team secret since well, its Team Secret, you also have big money from India and OCE in the likes of Renegades. While ya they prob might not have the best facilities in Korea, to have 5 korean teams is to basically kill most of APAC.
They can and could get APAC players, but will they? language barriers, national pride, community backlash from koreans etc etc. Look at just league where most of these teams are from, LCK have barely if not any import players at all, and yes KR have the talents in that game but with that precedent set, the likelihood of Korean teams that is transferring over because of how lucrative the scene is and not because they are ambitious and actually want to win suddenly seems alot like monopolies. Over exaggeration ofc
M0K1 [#10]there will be regional leagues too in every region
yes they will but viewership in APAC will considerably drop if theres barely any SEA team in the actual highest league, it would really take awhile for viewership to pop off since now the abundance of views from SEA and JP would be in regional leagues and not the actual top tier one, and after a few years would those teams start participating in that top league from ascension
14mstar [#11]If KR org decide to open academy team they undoubly will fill it with korean player as it better for their region on long term. And sooner or later all that 5 KR org will capable to run full korean teams. On top of that running full korean team will be cheaper for those org.
The problem is riot favor KR way too much that its literally giving other region no room to grow.
from what i heard franchised teams cannot deploy 2 rosters at the same time in the same league
SleepyBear [#16]apac doesnt have alot of financially stable orgs.
Source : trust me bro or what 😂 ?
Everyone thinks KR is the only place with stable orgs lmao
jimjam789 [#13]not on 5 rosters lmao
1 Roster seems to be in talks with JP, but the other 3 ( not including DRX ) may mostly field korean players, due to language barriers and precedent set in the org themselves from past games. Theres so many top players or rising players from SEA and OCE that having 3 teams where maybe atmost 1 or 2 is from SEA or OCE is gonna crush the scene to the ground for atleast 1-2 years before teams come up from ascension. Its as if your choosing teams with huge finance that wants to invest suddenly into the scene cause its lucrative over teams / orgs that would do anything to push themselves forward.
It will help finance the league in the short term, but if things stay the way i just mention in that korean players are gonna dominate the roster even if they arent they best in their categories, It may turn into something akin to the LCS
simurgh [#3]APAC as a whole is about nationalism and having mixed-roster is the worst solution possible.
And even if they are forced to acquire a SEA roster, I doubt they will keep it that way. It is better for Korean organizations to have a full of Korean players than SEA.
simurgh [#3]APAC as a whole is about nationalism and having mixed-roster is the worst solution possible.
wdym by mixed roster?
simurgh [#3]APAC as a whole is about nationalism and having mixed-roster is the worst solution possible.
He didn’t say mixed. I think he is saying why wouldn’t idk Reforce pick up Xerxia if there’s not enough Korean talent to make a Korean roster that good anyway
Mortadelo [#25]He didn’t say mixed. I think he is saying why wouldn’t idk Reforce pick up Xerxia if there’s not enough Korean talent to make a Korean roster that good anyway
That's only temporary though, there's no guarantee that Reforce in that situation would continue to support the development of Thai talent in the long term. It may be a slow process, but this bias towards Korea will eventually end with the majority of the league becoming Korean, since that's where the majority of the money and support is going.
Lahm [#27]That's only temporary though, there's no guarantee that Reforce in that situation would continue to support the development of Thai talent in the long term. It may be a slow process, but this bias towards Korea will eventually end with the majority of the league becoming Korean, since that's where the majority of the money and support is going.
Yeah ofc that’s for sure, specially since all good players are gonna be prancing in KR server and gonna make them even better. But Ig it’s less bad than if they just pick KR players up rn yk
Plus that actually gives time to the regions to ascend to franchising if they really are that better. Still sucks tho not denying that just trying to be positive lol
Skyss [#22]Boom esport also rich
They have Dota 2 division with sea mix roster
I heard they paying the player around 3k - 5k usd per month
Correct me if I wrong
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simurgh [#26]A roster consists of players from different countries.
it doesnt neccesarily have to be mixed tho? A KR org could pick up XIA roster for example?
JiangLi [#19]Everyone thinks KR is the only place with stable orgs lmao
ID people with their third world mentality.
nothing new here.
WinterZ [#31]it doesnt neccesarily have to be mixed tho? A KR org could pick up XIA roster for example?
They indeed could but again it is not guaranteed that they will keep fielding Thai players.
Zeah [#32]lets be honest here, KR org wont hire any apac talent.
Yeah, we SEAsian knew that they won't and why.
simurgh [#34]They indeed could but again it is not guaranteed that they will keep fielding Thai players.
KR org can't even have 5 Thai players cuz rules. At Max they can keep 2 or 3
They will just have full KR rosters
JiangLi [#36]KR org can't even have 5 Thai players cuz rules. At Max they can keep 2 or 3
They will just have full KR rosters
Wouldn’t import rule not count since technically they’re still within APAC league? Or am I missing something?
JiangLi [#36]KR org can't even have 5 Thai players cuz rules. At Max they can keep 2 or 3
They will just have full KR rosters
Will that apply for Pacific League??
JiangLi [#36]KR org can't even have 5 Thai players cuz rules. At Max they can keep 2 or 3
They will just have full KR rosters
kr wont be a region after franchising starts so basically all teams can have players from all over apac
Tamag0 [#30]You don't know anything about APAC.
APAC is different from EMEA & Americas, nationalism is a HUGE thing here.
I'm too lazy to type, but this explains:
#3 #21 #27 - #7 #12 - #11
About to say the same.
I can imagine mixed SEA roster in SEA org but can't for mixed KR+SEA in KR org.
Zeah [#32]lets be honest here, KR org wont hire any apac talent.
this might be the end of sea valorant scene
Skyss [#22]Boom esport also rich
They have Dota 2 division with sea mix roster
I heard they paying the player around 3k - 5k usd per month
Correct me if I wrong
the highest salary in boom esport (dota) is 120k rupiah ($8/9k).
So what? KR orgs means KR content
You need to have an Indonesian org, a Vietnamese org, a Thai org, to ensure that they will keep the viewers from their countries entertained
You can't just get 5 KR teams because most fans from SEA won't watch them due to language barrier and culture barrier, even if they have some SEA players
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