Lothar is not racist, stop the cap.

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Why is Brazil always mentioned for death threats? Where did "come to brazil" originate and why is it widely known? Where there is smoke, there is fire and Brazillian fans have been notorious for doing such things for it to come into the spotlight over the years. You can call him xenophobic as it is normalised and not taken offence to nowadays but racism is the wrong choice of word as he did not get death threats from other ethnic/racial groups except Brazil hence he cannot selectively discriminate and and be 'racist'.

If you are uneducated about the meaning of racism then here it is: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group.

Complete waste of 2 to type this up but lets stay woke.

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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group.

Where there is smoke, there is fire and Brazillian fans have been notorious for doing such things for it to come into the spotlight over the years.

-_- yeah man read that back

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Idk what sort of 5Head move you are trying for attention but that's not racist to state what has happened in the past.

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you can’t justify your racist comment by saying “it’s true” it’s like saying “‘x’ people are thieves and it’s not racist cuz ‘x’ people are always stealing shit! “

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Nationality =/= race. Brazil is a diverse country

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Bro holy fucking stupid

Throw your PC out the window if you’re gonna post nonsense like this

It’s not the point and you know it

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1) no, it is precisely the point. I dont even like lothar... but it seems pretty obvious to me that "brazilian fans" is literally just an identifier for which fanbase was sending him death threats. And since brazilian fans refers to literally no particular race, there is nothing racist about his post unless you wanna read that in, or unless he is lying. There are white people, black people, latin people, native people etc. in brazil. It's not targeted at any race

2) no more can you defend a racist statement by saying it's true than you can disprove any true statement by saying it's racist. If you wanna prove something untrue then argue the truth of it. Dont just call it racist. You wont convince anyone that doesnt already agree with you

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It's like saying I'm racist for saying american is full of dogshit people. I'd be an asshole but not racist, in fact the fact that you think brazil is one ethnic group isn't racist but it's trying

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Given that Brazilian nationality is neither a racial nor ethnic group, I think you're the one who needs to read it back

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Someone with a brain

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you're right here's the definition of xenophobia

dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries

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Well done you finally used your eyes to read.

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I'm a bad person only in one way! 🤓

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Great, so we've come to an agreement that his comments literally cannot meet the criteria for racism. I'm not going to bother getting into an argument of whether his comments are xenophobic, because its somewhat subjective and the hive mind has clearly come to its own conclusion - not really worth the time

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yep just xenophobic all good

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Sure. Whatever you say. When I say "what's up boys" to my friends, I'm definitely referring to all boys in the world. Same logic applies here

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when I say boys stop sending me death threat I'm only talking about a few individuals

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You literally just contradicted your own argument. I'd go into more detail, but its becoming a bit evident that my explanation would go in one ear and out the other

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bro can't read sarcasm it's fine

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If you were being sarcastic the comment makes even less sense. When you say "boys stop sending me death threats" you're addressing ~50.5% of the global population?

continue thread →

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dude does it not cross your mind that

he may have only received 1-3 threats.
they might've been people faking their region (even if they werent see #3)
he is generalizing the ENTIRE Brazillian fanbase with this message in a very negative light, he has presented 0 evidence of what he's claiming as well

just look at the replies, his tweet is really hurting their look.

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Thats why I said he might be Xenophobic as it is normalised to say Brazilians send death threats. Just watch Tarik on stream, he occasionally jokes about Brazillian death threats and he has received them in the past during CS years, does it make him racist?

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You are avoiding what I'm saying. He is generalizing the ENTIRE brazillian fanbase in a negative way

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English isin't his first language so what he types or speaks might not be accurate. He cannot just name the users on twitter by their twitter handle so in short he identified they were Brazillians and hence addressed the BR fans.

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let him at least say "some brazillian fans" bruh

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mf edited 🤣

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

is this comment serious? he starts with "Brazilian fans", yes, he generalized the whole country.

If he doesn't have good English then he needs to think before he posts something.

And most importantly, it still hasn't shown the threats

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his English is good enough to cast in English. this argument is invalid. he is clearly fluent

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bro you're using the fact english is not his first language as argument to make his tweet fit your point of view in every way you want
you can use the same excuse to justify that he misinterpreted messages as death threats because of lack of language proficiency
I'm not saying that's the case, just pointing out that this argument is falacious.

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This is a circular argument all day long. I'm tired and going to sleep enjoy arguing with others.

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have a good night :)

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mucho texto lil bro not gonna read

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na racisma

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Brit flag trying to school someone about racism xDDD

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Name a better duo

British people and saying stuff “isn’t racist”

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lol

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america and cops killing minorities

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"Why is Brazil always mentioned for death threats?"

Ez way out: Just accuse someone and don't send proof of nothing. Blame the entire region to people see them as villains.

People offered him help asking for prints and he denied.

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but why would he intentionally hate BR and throw them under the bus? You ever thought of that? Motive is a huge thing and it all connects due to his misprediction of Loud which are BR's biggest and most successful team so him getting threats isin't hocus pocus bs.

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ok so to clarify we went from him not being racist to him having a genuine motive

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Shownu

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Motive for typing the tweet as he has received death threats. Really not hard buddy.

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Because he was exposed as a bad analyst by Brazilians.
Edit: HOW PEOPLE ARE IGNORING THE FACT THAT HE DIDN'T BRING ANY PROOF?

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DUDE THIS IS TWITTER
EVERYBODY GETS A FUCKING DEATH THREAT HERE OR THERE
stop being bitches about it

it's actually a fucking culture
should we get angry when a rapper says he is going to murder another rapper?
no bc thats part of the hip hop culture

he COULD have received death threats (or might as well have read wrong from ppl that arent native english speakers)
and even if he did, how the fuck they're actually going to kill him? thats fucking dumb to believe in and even be scared
i'd be much scared if i received death threats from people that actually lived in my country

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That NA kid babysasuke just needed to flex that NA made it into uppers, nothing else move on.

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okay but dont act like you wouldnt have done it too had it been fnatic

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Shownu

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Wouldnt make a whole ass post on Lothar just to brag.

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Deixa de ser burro, mano. Para de dar esse tipo de resposta. Apesar de ninguém acreditar em ameaças, esse tipo de desculpa nunca vai colar com gringo. Afinal, ameaças nem devem ser feitas pra começo de conversa.

O problema aqui é que ele se recusa a mostrar as provas. O que me leva a crer que ele tá fazendo o famoso Dog whistling e simplesmente acusou brasileiros pra desviar do fato de que ele menosprezou a gente e agora tá sendo cobrado pq a LOUD tá no top 3.

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cara já foi num estádio de futebol? literalmente gritamos "uh vai morrer" quando o juiz faz merda
e algum juiz já foi morto? não
todo país tem alguma cultura de violencia
hoolingas na inglaterra são um grande exemplo
eu fico PUTO de tratarem a gente como selvagens com coisas que TODO PAÍS faz

reclamar de ameaça de morte no twitter é imbecilidade
ngm vai matar ngm
esse cara é um chorão

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Eu sei disso, cara. Mas vc ainda não entendeu que essa galera é cínica? Esse teu argumento não cola nunca. Você tem que pegar eles no próprio joguinho que eles criaram.

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resumindo meu mano, tu ta certo e sabe disso mas os cara aq nunca vao aceitar
bem vindo ao vlr.gg

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Did I read this incorrectly? Or did you just imply it's within brazilian culture to send death threats..........

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i meant culture in a way that is something normal
ppl don't actually take the "threats" seriously bc its trash talk

the example i used was pretty spot on
rappers say that they'll murder one another, nobody gets murder (except if you r xxxtentacion jk)

here at a soccer match it's common to hear the crowd scream "OOOO YOU'RE GONNA DIE" to the referee or an opponent player if they had a misconduct
we also put signs like "welcome to hell" in the entrance of our opponents seats at our home games

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he is not racist but he is dumb af

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alLAMENTal

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True. Bug exploiting, bloviating man baby, as far as i can tell

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Context?

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was about to respond but then I saw it's Shownu

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Please don't scare me with my IP xd.

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he aint racist, hes just trying to find a easy way out and get clout. everybody knows that mocking brazillians = ez followers and clout, thats solely the reason why zombs keeps tweeting till this day

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Lothar is a sociopath! People like that should be despised

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nice try

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Racist or not he's a narcissist and annoying

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tmnc sabe q o brasil da hate em todo mundo e ainda provocam , dps ficam chorando falando q era brincadeira

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I already explained this a long time ago. But those things you guys call "death threats" are not really a death threat. You do not understand our culture, it's normal for us to say we are gonna kill someone. It doesn't really mean we are gonna kill someone. It holds no weight at all. It's just a way of saying "I'll make you pay" or something like that. The problem is that Brazilian fans who acutally use the prhase "i'm gonna kill you" on a daily basis in our contry, think that they could use it in the same way with people from a different culture, that's the big mistake, people outside brazil actually think this has weight or means something serious, while the BR fanbase doesn't know that, mostly don't even speak english well, can you imagine they understanding other people's cultire? Please.

The proof of that is the UFC. When we are the home crowd, people always shout to the away fighter "UH, VAI MORRER", that literally means, "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE", of course we don't want our fighter to kill the other dude, we are just saying that he is going to pay the price of trying to fight a brazilian, just banter for us.

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Death threats are just keyboard warrior behaviour and it doesn't bother me but I am very insensitive compared to others so they might perceive it and be affected differently.

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The thing is, it's isn't here in Brazil. We say "I'm gonna kill you" all the time here. To our friends, to our girlfriends and familly members with the same age, it's pretty common phrase, it holds no weight at all here. I will give you some examples.

We say to a friend: Duuude, if you do that, I will literally kill you!!

Our girlfriends say to us when we embarass them: I can't believe you did that!! I'm gonna kill you!!

Even when we are pissed off, we don't say: I will punch you, or I will beat you, we say I will kill you, we don't actually mean that. Ever.

It's pretty common tbh, it just doesn't translate well to other cultures.

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we are way familiar with the concept of racism tks
ETA: I agree he's not racist

"come to Brazil" ia not a bad thing. ever since the beginning of the internet, there were always a Brazilian fan commenting "come to Brazil" in music videos (and later other kind of artists)

obviously there are Brazilians that are toxic and do death threats. but are we the only one? was it us threatening net, Trent and the other guys of the guard after Iceland? hmm idk so. this is what we complain about, the generalization.unfortunatelly, there are toxic members of our community in every country. there are so many nice Brazilian fans that support and spread love. it's frustrating honestly

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regardless
this man has such an annoying voice and acts like he has the biggest brain in the world. i don’t consume any of his content for that reason.

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i don't think "racism" was the problem.

The problem was doing accusations of a delicate subject for some part of the gaming community without being clear. You NEVER make accusations without proof, especially in internet where people doesn't even know to fact check.

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Chaos leaf(that wasn't so friendly)

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Hoooooooly I avoided this thread based on the title, but just realized it was Shownu dogwhistling for more racists to defend his boy Lothar.

Stay shitty kings, y’all braindamaged fr 💀

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Come to Brazil refers to when Brazilians spam artists' social media to ask them to come here and perform for us. This has worked in the past and we still do it to this day. Stop informing yourself with memes.

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That's a lotta words
Too bad I'm not readin' em