How can anyone seriously entertain the idea that T1 NA is gapped by T1 EU lmao. Liquid wouldn’t even be top half in NA LCQ let’s be real. At the very least how do people think EU is a more competitive region than NA. NA’s rankings are always in contest, it’s A tier really big compared to every region. There seems to always be about 5 or 6 A tier NA teams at any given moment since Champs last year basically. Definitely can’t say the same for EU, who have basically only a competitive B tier fighting for rankings, and a A tier filled with about 3 teams max at any given moment
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Thanks for you're 100iq opinion but you might need to see this and go to bed.
https://www.vlr.gg/51274/team-liquid-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-winners-b
BananaBread [#7]https://www.vlr.gg/51274/team-liquid-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-winners-b
ACEND also won this tournament and they fell of harder then Sentinels 💀 didnt they just drop out a few days ago?
Nollihd [#3]Where na 1st seed master 1 and 2 ? 🤣
same places as masters 1 and 2 EU first seeds. LCQ and Qualified. wym 💀
PuGGey [#11]ACEND also won this tournament and they fell of harder then Sentinels 💀 didnt they just drop out a few days ago?
EMEA rats exposed after 1 tournament, this is the way
AllMight [#12]Worst bait ever
Liquid won against sentineLs
We have more champions titles
Other regions literally come to our region to bootcamp to keep up with the game since their inferior
NA is where strats are made
SHITMEA is where strats are countered
No shit they do the work in NA where there are actual players, then take strats to SHITMEA to see how it measures up against 5 silver “tier 1 EMEA players” sitting in corners and ratting off angles zzzzzzzz
Mortadelo [#6]xD
Dude forgot about XSET and the Guard pretty quick
A lot more of ppl hate on TGRD for no reason they had a rlly hard bracket, they faced the teams that played 1st and 4th, they def would have beat liquid and G2
babysasuke [#15]NA is where strats are made
SHITMEA is where strats are countered
No shit they do the work in NA where there are actual players, then take strats to SHITMEA to see how it measures up against 5 silver “tier 1 EMEA players” sitting in corners and ratting off angles zzzzzzzz
So what you are saying is that NA strats are so shite, that they are not up to the task to win against ratty playstyles, judging by the current head to head score? damn that's kinda sad for you guys, all this effort just to get fucked by an EU noob camping a ratty angle, sucks to suck, git good I guess
akproxx1 [#8]Last time i check best na team by far lose to top 5 eu xD
NAVI is top 5 eu kekw I think EMEA is a better region than NA but optic would easily be top 3 Emea
Pengu12 [#21]NAVI is top 5 eu kekw I think EMEA is a better region than NA but optic would easily be top 3 Emea
wut? get of that shit, it's gonna ruin ur brain
PuGGey [#11]ACEND also won this tournament and they fell of harder then Sentinels 💀 didnt they just drop out a few days ago?
They did bc they dropped bonecold and zeek which were stupid moves
Glycoroldas [#19]So what you are saying is that NA strats are so shite, that they are not up to the task to win against ratty playstyles, judging by the current head to head score? damn that's kinda sad for you guys, all this effort just to get fucked by an EU noob camping a ratty angle, sucks to suck, git good I guess
You’re either twisting my words or whole ass braindead
SHITMEA plays the game wrong, think it’s CS or sitting in a corner simulator so strats that work against teams that WANT to play the game don’t work the same against teams that sit and do nothing and wait
Keep coping SHITMEA Stan, never winning another tournament
babysasuke [#27]You’re either twisting my words or whole ass braindead
SHITMEA plays the game wrong, think it’s CS or sitting in a corner simulator so strats that work against teams that WANT to play the game don’t work the same against teams that sit and do nothing and wait
Keep coping SHITMEA Stan, never winning another tournament
damn, this game must suck ass if all these elaborate big brain NA tactics get easily countered by a mere corner sitting. It's as if these EU players have figured out the superior way of how this game is supposed to be played judging by the current head to head score
Glycoroldas [#31]damn, this game must suck ass if all these elaborate big brain NA tactics get easily countered by a mere corner sitting. It's as if these EU players have figured out the superior way of how this game is supposed to be played judging by the current head to head score
Not reading all that keep crying and cope more
babysasuke [#32]Not reading all that keep crying and cope more
It's not that deep, no need to take it personally
Glycoroldas [#33]It's not that deep, no need to take it personally
Gly such a W. This baby guy is crying too much. Can't accept emea>na
babysasuke [#15]NA is where strats are made
SHITMEA is where strats are countered
No shit they do the work in NA where there are actual players, then take strats to SHITMEA to see how it measures up against 5 silver “tier 1 EMEA players” sitting in corners and ratting off angles zzzzzzzz
and at LANs when there are games everyday they don't have time to counter and they just crumble. The classic SHITMEA LAN experience
Zyius [#22]Its takes balls to post this during EU hours
nothing else to do. sitting here in a office chair getting paid 16$ a hour to supervise a triathlon practice team swim, and watch this boring ass NAVI vs G2 game. might as well spread some truth
PuGGey [#37]nothing else to do. sitting here in a office chair getting paid 16$ a hour to supervise a triathlon practice team swim, and watch this boring ass NAVI vs G2 game. might as well spread some truth
Too based
Pengu12 [#17]A lot more of ppl hate on TGRD for no reason they had a rlly hard bracket, they faced the teams that played 1st and 4th, they def would have beat liquid and G2
i think its fair for people to criticize them because they were 1st seed from NA and Optic was their second seed and they lost to PRX 0-2. Its make sense for people to think they should do better especially rn they fell off so hard
PuGGey [#13]same places as masters 1 and 2 EU first seeds. LCQ and Qualified. wym 💀
did you notice that both g2 and fnatic actually won games at lan
Pengu12 [#28]NAVI is top 5 eu kekw I think EMEA is a better region than NA but optic would easily be top 3 Emea
optic would be #2 emea easily. the problem is all the other na teams cant do shit
The fact that NA always has 6+ teams fighting for 2nd spot just shows inconsistency. While EMEA always has the same strong teams fighting who are actually good and consistent. OpTic feels like miles away better than rest of NA while could any day lose to top 3 EMEA. That doesn't show me competitiveness. Also half of the teams you think are "A tier" are actually B tier.
patuj [#44]The fact that NA always has 6+ teams fighting for 2nd spot just shows inconsistency. While EMEA always has the same strong teams fighting who are actually good and consistent. OpTic feels like miles away better than rest of NA while could any day lose to top 3 EMEA. That doesn't show me competitiveness. Also half of the teams you think are "A tier" are actually B tier.
Braindamaged take
- XSET beat Optic
- 2-6 NA teams clear FlukePX and Lnatic
- Top 20 NA clears the rest of SHITMEA
patuj [#44]The fact that NA always has 6+ teams fighting for 2nd spot just shows inconsistency. While EMEA always has the same strong teams fighting who are actually good and consistent. OpTic feels like miles away better than rest of NA while could any day lose to top 3 EMEA. That doesn't show me competitiveness. Also half of the teams you think are "A tier" are actually B tier.
It would be boring if the same teams won everytime, I think it actually shows the region is super competive, atleast among themselves. To each their own I guess.
Ricegum [#46]It would be boring if the same teams won everytime, I think it actually shows the region is super competive, atleast among themselves. To each their own I guess.
this is what i mostly wanted to get at with this post
babysasuke [#45]Braindamaged take
- XSET beat Optic
- 2-6 NA teams clear FlukePX and Lnatic
- Top 20 NA clears the rest of SHITMEA
If OpTic played like they did vs XSET they wouldn't have won single game in Masters 2
Ricegum [#46]It would be boring if the same teams won everytime, I think it actually shows the region is super competive, atleast among themselves. To each their own I guess.
Yeah put theres difference between being competitive regionally and being competitive internationally. Tier 2 teams are competitive against each other but that doesn't mean they will be competitive against tier 1 teams.
I mean, while EU used to have fewer top-tier teams than NA, looking at this LCQ, I think it has caught up. Like, I think any team in NA LCQ and EU LCQ could potentially achieve something at champs. However based purely on the peak of teams in both regions I think EU is slightly ahead, as only Optic has really been competitive on international LAN events lately (last masters).
This is a hot take but
NA has way more talent then EU, not better teams
NA talent:
TenZ
Yay
cryocells
bang
trent
bdog
Babybay
etc
(i only listed one star from each tem)
EU talent:
nukkye
cNED(fell off hard)
Scream
nats
SHao
Boaster
In this you can see that NA has a lot more talent and better talent than EU
You can't just call SEN's championship nothing, and then say yeah Optic's run is pathetic, while going on and saying yeah our championships matter way more because we think it is not pathetic.
When you look at it, NA and EU aren't too far apart, considering NA gets less spots at each LAN, have 2 championships compared to EU's 3 isn't too bad.
PigExe [#55]This is a hot take but
NA has way more talent then EU, not better teams
NA talent:
TenZ
Yay
cryocells
bang
trent
bdog
Babybay
etc
(i only listed one star from each tem)
EU talent:
nukkye
cNED(fell off hard)
Scream
nats
SHao
BoasterIn this you can see that NA has a lot more talent and better talent than EU
You can't just call SEN's championship nothing, and then say yeah Optic's run is pathetic, while going on and saying yeah our championships matter way more because we think it is not pathetic.
When you look at it, NA and EU aren't too far apart, considering NA gets less spots at each LAN, have 2 championships compared to EU's 3 isn't too bad.
Why u steal my name? :(
patuj [#50]Yeah put theres difference between being competitive regionally and being competitive internationally. Tier 2 teams are competitive against each other but that doesn't mean they will be competitive against tier 1 teams.
Yeah like how Navi OG Fokus TL G2 are competitive in EMEA but would get rolled in APAC challengers
PigExe [#55]This is a hot take but
NA has way more talent then EU, not better teams
NA talent:
TenZ
Yay
cryocells
bang
trent
bdog
Babybay
etc
(i only listed one star from each tem)
EU talent:
nukkye
cNED(fell off hard)
Scream
nats
SHao
BoasterIn this you can see that NA has a lot more talent and better talent than EU
You can't just call SEN's championship nothing, and then say yeah Optic's run is pathetic, while going on and saying yeah our championships matter way more because we think it is not pathetic.
When you look at it, NA and EU aren't too far apart, considering NA gets less spots at each LAN, have 2 championships compared to EU's 3 isn't too bad.
I unironically agree with your take. While NA (arguably) has a deeper individual talent pool, EMEA is able to compensate through better teamwork and tactics that most likely can be attributed to superior practice methodology.
optic were on track in terms of having EMEA levels of improvements that can be achieved through practice, but most likely got capped by lack of competitiveness in NA T2 scene. Therefore, partially explaining why they fell off in the last tournament.
PigeX [#56]Why u steal my name? :(
had my ign for around 7 years now lmao
my friend who i lost to suicide gave me the name
PigeX [#52]I mean, while EU used to have fewer top-tier teams than NA, looking at this LCQ, I think it has caught up. Like, I think any team in NA LCQ and EU LCQ could potentially achieve something at champs. However based purely on the peak of teams in both regions I think EU is slightly ahead, as only Optic has really been competitive on international LAN events lately (last masters).
holy shit. an actual conversation.
internationals is a whole different conversation, im more talking regions in the long run.
NA is hyper competitive rn, personally I dont see the same in EU, its pretty stagnant to me but to each their own. If you WERE to combine the current LCQ's i think more NA teams than not would fall between Liquid and the top. comparing #1's in the regions ofc comes down at the internationals, but personally I think internationals in the scene's current state dont really matter for longer than 2 months and arnt worth more than opinion pieces. esp cuz eventually our CCP overlords will eventually take over the scene in rankings and finance; and teams/spectators will look back at these games in 5 years and wonder how players this shit won an international
So i dont want to spread hate I honestly think that both regions are great and im kinda tired of all the toxic children. Here are some stats which hopefully will calm both sides down (probably not though).
Here are all the NA v EMEA matches in officials i could find (might have missed some)
SEN 2-0 FNC
V1 2-1 TL
FNC 2-0 V1
SEN 3-0 FNC
100T 2-1 GMB
SEN 2-1 G2
G2 2-0 SEN
100T 2-1 ACE
GMB 3-0 NV
ACE 2-0 NV
TL 2-1 SEN
FNC 2-1 C9
TL 2-0 C9
GLD 2-0 OPTC
FPX 3-1 OPTC
NA has 6 wins and EMEA has 9. We can see that at the beginning of valo NA seemed very good but EMEA definitly catched up. EMEA has 3 international wins and NA has 2 so its clear that EMEA is a better region but both are at least in the top 3 regions when it come to valorant in my opinion.
PuGGey [#63]holy shit. an actual conversation.
internationals is a whole different conversation, im more talking regions in the long run.
NA is hyper competitive rn, personally I dont see the same in EU, its pretty stagnant to me but to each their own. If you WERE to combine the current LCQ's i think more NA teams than not would fall between Liquid and the top. comparing #1's in the regions ofc comes down at the internationals, but personally I think internationals in the scene's current state dont really matter for longer than 2 months and arnt worth more than opinion pieces. esp cuz eventually our CCP overlords will eventually take over the scene in rankings and finance; and teams/spectators will look back at these games in 5 years and wonder how players this shit won an international
Fair take. I still think NA and EMEA as regions are really close. But you are right, the scene is changing a bit too quickly imo.
PigExe [#62]had my ign for around 7 years now lmao
my friend who i lost to suicide gave me the name
Why does every comment that I write, that tries to be slightly entertaining end up like this. I am very sorry man. I didn't know.
TheHowling02 [#66]So i dont want to spread hate I honestly think that both regions are great and im kinda tired of all the toxic children. Here are some stats which hopefully will calm both sides down (probably not though).
Here are all the NA v EMEA matches in officials i could find (might have missed some)
SEN 2-0 FNC
V1 2-1 TL
FNC 2-0 V1
SEN 3-0 FNC
100T 2-1 GMB
SEN 2-1 G2
G2 2-0 SEN
100T 2-1 ACE
GMB 3-0 NV
ACE 2-0 NV
TL 2-1 SEN
FNC 2-1 C9
TL 2-0 C9
GLD 2-0 OPTC
FPX 3-1 OPTCNA has 6 wins and EMEA has 9. We can see that at the beginning of valo NA seemed very good but EMEA definitly catched up. EMEA has 3 international wins and NA has 2 so its clear that EMEA is a better region but both are at least in the top 3 regions when it come to valorant in my opinion.
These are actual facts. That's ballsy.
PigeX [#67]Fair take. I still think NA and EMEA as regions are really close. But you are right, the scene is changing a bit too quickly imo.
oh no i agree. this "gap" that some people thinks exists just dosnt. they are close, its all very comparable
PuGGey [#37]nothing else to do. sitting here in a office chair getting paid 16$ a hour to supervise a triathlon practice team swim, and watch this boring ass NAVI vs G2 game. might as well spread some truth
Very based.
PigExe [#55]This is a hot take but
NA has way more talent then EU, not better teams
NA talent:
TenZ
Yay
cryocells
bang
trent
bdog
Babybay
etc
(i only listed one star from each tem)
EU talent:
nukkye
cNED(fell off hard)
Scream
nats
SHao
BoasterIn this you can see that NA has a lot more talent and better talent than EU
You can't just call SEN's championship nothing, and then say yeah Optic's run is pathetic, while going on and saying yeah our championships matter way more because we think it is not pathetic.
When you look at it, NA and EU aren't too far apart, considering NA gets less spots at each LAN, have 2 championships compared to EU's 3 isn't too bad.
EU talent:
nukkye
cned
scream
nats
shao
suygetsu
leo
hoody
trexx
sayf
alfajer
derke
chronicle
cloud
TheHowling02 [#66]So i dont want to spread hate I honestly think that both regions are great and im kinda tired of all the toxic children. Here are some stats which hopefully will calm both sides down (probably not though).
Here are all the NA v EMEA matches in officials i could find (might have missed some)
SEN 2-0 FNC
V1 2-1 TL
FNC 2-0 V1
SEN 3-0 FNC
100T 2-1 GMB
SEN 2-1 G2
G2 2-0 SEN
100T 2-1 ACE
GMB 3-0 NV
ACE 2-0 NV
TL 2-1 SEN
FNC 2-1 C9
TL 2-0 C9
GLD 2-0 OPTC
FPX 3-1 OPTCNA has 6 wins and EMEA has 9. We can see that at the beginning of valo NA seemed very good but EMEA definitly catched up. EMEA has 3 international wins and NA has 2 so its clear that EMEA is a better region but both are at least in the top 3 regions when it come to valorant in my opinion.
If we're talking modern day you should care more about the latest results. I don't think you can compare 2021 V1/SEN to 2022 FPX right? W take btw, the only person in this mf thread who doesnt just stop EMEA BEST or NA BEST
no_noise_979 [#75]EU talent:
nukkye
cned
scream
nats
shao
suygetsu
leo
hoody
trexx
sayf
alfajer
derke
chronicle
cloud
NA: dapr, sick, sayaplayer, Asuna, zellsis, shaz, shroud, neT, vanity, curry, Xeppa, leaf, FNS, crashies, marved, zekken, dephh, bcJ, supamen, etc
EU is not gonna beat out NA in talent, i didn't rename anyone from my other list
PigExe [#77]NA: dapr, sick, sayaplayer, Asuna, zellsis, shaz, shroud, neT, vanity, curry, Xeppa, leaf, FNS, crashies, marved, zekken, dephh, bcJ, supamen, etc
EU is not gonna beat out NA in talent, i didn't rename anyone from my other list
we could do this forever, a lot of those are really arguable so all im gonna say is i disagree!
PigExe [#77]NA: dapr, sick, sayaplayer, Asuna, zellsis, shaz, shroud, neT, vanity, curry, Xeppa, leaf, FNS, crashies, marved, zekken, dephh, bcJ, supamen, etc
EU is not gonna beat out NA in talent, i didn't rename anyone from my other list
Half of the players you listed are literally dogshit 💀💀💀
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN [#79]Half of the players you listed are literally dogshit 💀💀💀
which one is worse than emea's talent pool?
TenZ - Still cracked as ever(team chemistry is an issue)
Asuna- carried his team past a very competive LCQ with almost no blowouts.
zellsis- right there with tenZ
FNS- still one of the best igls
GO ahead tell me what players are dogshit
(don't put ur own user we already know ur dogshit)
PuGGey [#11]ACEND also won this tournament and they fell of harder then Sentinels 💀 didnt they just drop out a few days ago?
acend still would 26-0 sentinels
PigExe [#77]NA: dapr, sick, sayaplayer, Asuna, zellsis, shaz, shroud, neT, vanity, curry, Xeppa, leaf, FNS, crashies, marved, zekken, dephh, bcJ, supamen, etc
EU is not gonna beat out NA in talent, i didn't rename anyone from my other list
Aint no way you put curry, shahzam, neT and dephh on this list
PigExe [#80]which one is worse than emea's talent pool?
TenZ - Still cracked as ever(team chemistry is an issue)
Asuna- carried his team past a very competive LCQ with almost no blowouts.
zellsis- right there with tenZ
FNS- still one of the best iglsGO ahead tell me what players are dogshit
(don't put ur own user we already know ur dogshit)
Not those, you sneaked in shroud, net, curry, dephh, bcj, vanity, shaz and dapr as "talent" like we wouldnt notice 💀💀💀
NA delusion at its peak
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN [#85]Not those, you sneaked in shroud, net, curry, dephh, bcj, vanity, shaz and dapr as "talent" like we wouldnt notice 💀💀💀
NA delusion at its peak
dapr is still one of the best clutch players, i'll still take him over almost any of the ones in ur list, shaz is still a great igl, maybe have fallen off but cned fell off harder, tell me shroud's performance wasn't impressive for someone that has been back after 5 years of no competeing and minimal prep. neT is still one of the reasons why Guard made it to finals, some of this stuff don't show up in stats, if you would actually watch the games you'd realize Na has way more talent than EU, just not good team chemistry.
DannyBananas [#61]JUST TO BE CLEAR SINCE THE US IS IN NA WE ARE FAR BETTER BACK TO BACK WORLD WAR CHAMPS
u can say NA got better aim
PigExe [#86]dapr is still one of the best clutch players, i'll still take him over almost any of the ones in ur list, shaz is still a great igl, maybe have fallen off but cned fell off harder, tell me shroud's performance wasn't impressive for someone that has been back after 5 years of no competeing and minimal prep. neT is still one of the reasons why Guard made it to finals, some of this stuff don't show up in stats, if you would actually watch the games you'd realize Na has way more talent than EU, just not good team chemistry.
Holy the copium is unreal 😹😹😹
Also what list, I didnt make any lists
best team in NA is optic.
Optic has yet to beat a team from the EMEA region.
Essentially what you have done in compare La Liga to the premier league.
La Liga has 3 teams of note (Barce, Madrid, and Athletico)
Premier League other than City and Liverpool, all of the teams in the league on any given day can beat anyone.
However, Real Madrid for example have won the biggest prize more times in the past 10 years than anyone else.
Just because youre region has more depth, doesnt make the teams better on the big stage.
Pengu12 [#21]NAVI is top 5 eu kekw I think EMEA is a better region than NA but optic would easily be top 3 Emea
hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha what are you smoking? optic won only 1 map against EMEA teams let that sink in.
PuGGey [#11]ACEND also won this tournament and they fell of harder then Sentinels 💀 didnt they just drop out a few days ago?
sentinels fell of harder
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN [#90]Holy the copium is unreal 😹😹😹
Also what list, I didnt make any lists
what am i even coping for? champions hasn't even started.
sorry not ur list no noise's list.
More people living in NA just means more talent, you cannot deny facts.
let's say 0.01% of people is talent.
NA has around 130 million more people living there, therfore there will always be more talent. EU fans can be biased and think their players and teams are better, but NA will ALWAYS have more and better players than EU. and EU will have to try to work toghter as a team to beat that out
PigExe [#96]what am i even coping for? champions hasn't even started.
sorry not ur list no noise's list.
More people living in NA just means more talent, you cannot deny facts.
let's say 0.01% of people is talent.
NA has around 130 million more people living there, therfore there will always be more talent. EU fans can be biased and think their players and teams are better, but NA will ALWAYS have more and better players than EU. and EU will have to try to work toghter as a team to beat that out
Bro what
Since when does NA have a bigger population than EU 💀💀💀
Wtf am I even reading 💀💀💀
DELUSIONAL_KILES_FAN [#97]Bro what
Since when does NA have a bigger population than EU 💀💀💀
Wtf am I even reading 💀💀💀
Na has 579 million
EU has 447 million
stats wise Na just has more talent
PigExe [#98]Na has 579 million
EU has 447 million
stats wise Na just has more talent
The European Union has 447 million
EU in esports means Europe, not European Union.
EU has way more, what is this brain damage 💀💀💀
xB3NW0 [#76]If we're talking modern day you should care more about the latest results. I don't think you can compare 2021 V1/SEN to 2022 FPX right? W take btw, the only person in this mf thread who doesnt just stop EMEA BEST or NA BEST
Yeah for sure. When looking at recent results it is clear which one is the better region. I forgot to add that EMEA has had at least 2 teams in the top 4 in four international competitions out of 5 so thats impressive af as well. NA has had 2 in the top four only once if im not mistaken.
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