Keznit racism in CS

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I asked a brazilian for evidence that keznit was a racist in his CS days and they just disappeared. You guys love to claim that but ppl never believe you because you do not back it up with actual good proof. Now im curious if anyone has screenshot or chat log or recording of keznit being racist back in CS days. Google search does not bring up anything at all. Could it be baseless accusations?

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At this point the only brazilians talking shit against keznit are dumbos, the rest dont even care cause they understand it was a stupid situation filled with over exaggeration and misunderstandings from both regions

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I’ve seen way too many dumbos. It was a super unprofessional situation and both of them handled wrong, never seen no one hate on Dgzin for what he did tho

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i mean, brazil is a big country with a lot of people

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It is, but the not dumbos need to defend yourselves. Every time I see someone saying something that doesn't help the teams and players I support I tell them to stop, like idk, Spanish fans hypping mixwell up or defending his spot on the team atp yk. Do something if you want respect

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I agree with you in parts, but i really believe people shouldn't be trying to earn respect in forums and as a community. We just need to enjoy the game and cheer for the ones we care about. This whole region thing is ass for me

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yup it's not like as Brazilians we're responsible for what every other Brazilian say. We're all separate individuals, our nationality is just one single thing in common between us but I might have many more things in common with you despite you being a Spaniard.

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I agree with this, but imo everyone likes to make dumb stereotypes abt other people based on the actions of a couple ppl, putting a dark spot on any community. I get that ppl like to make fun and all, but it can come out as annoying to others.

Ik that it might sound like I'm biased making an excuse for Brazilians, but this also is directed at ourselves.

Am I wrong?

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I do think you're right. I think the problem with Brazilians is that the delusional ones stand out a lot, and there are many of them. You and the nondelusional ones should reply to them and correct them, make yourself notice

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Never seen it either

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in his CS career lived in Brazil he only has accusations of alleged cheating because he hit a lot of HS LMAO

there are only videos like this
https://youtu.be/h-lUWcIoZLI

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back in the day csgo brazilians fans would accuse anything that moves of cheating

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https://www.vlr.gg/118415/keznit-situation
People don't understand lmao

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This post doesn't make sense, racism on LATAM is almost part of the culture on some places, don't be dumb, and also keznit even lived in brazil for some time, there's no freaking way he didn't know

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Its not that he didnt know... Its that it wasnt a racist term to him because he doesnt not have life experience as a brazilian.

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what??? The n word is not a racist term to me because I don't have experience as a black person but I know it's racist so I'm not gonna say it? lmao

I'm on keznit's side here but that logic just don't make sense brother

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Man just read the post. Brazilians speak Portugese while Keznit is a Spanish speaker...
Theres connotations that Keznit does not know about and even if he lived in Brazil doesnt mean hes fully aware of what the words mean

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Honestly, I won't comment on the situation but you are giving Keznit too much benefit of doubt.

How do you know about keznit's life experiences? Where you there watching over his entire life? It is reasonable to believe that any person above 14 years of age knows what racism is and knows at least the basic slurs. Especially if you are competing in eSports.

Also, come out of your NA bubble. People in other continents know the basics of multiple languages. Especially if you lived in one of those countries. Personally, I am from India, but I know what slurs Indos use against Filipinos and similar stuff. Most people are multilingual or at least partially understand other languages.

I don't know if all the servers you get contain people with positive vibes and supportive in general. In video games, it is quite common to find an extremely racist/sexist/homophobe/islamophobe guy in 1/10 games.

You guys putting the narrative that a person playing video games never came across such racist slurs being used is just too far-fetched especially when a lot of Brazilians here (and in general a known fact) that certain white Argentinians are racist against Brazilians.

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Man he literally expained that what he said isnt what he meant. Im just explaining cultural bias and using the rest of the information from his quote.
Chill out. "Not gonna comment"
Dude thats a whole ass paper

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Ask a criminal "Did you murder this guy?"

The guy: Ofc not.

I did not choose to comment on the fact if Keznit is racist or not. But what you are doing is normalizing ignorance and its not cool.

Cultural bias does exist but it is not an excuse for doing something stupid especially when you are a paid professional.

Imagine getting a job in Japan and creating a ruckus in public.

Or travelling to India and just casually ordering beef in a restaurant in a north Indian state.

An Indian casually using the N-word in a western country for black men cause that is what our history books refer to them as.

All of these things stems from cultural bias but are they cool? no. You might think this is cultural bias and you might not know any better but it is extremely uncomfortable/offensive to the people involved.

Know who you are working with. Keznit competes/plays/scrims with Brazillian players. He has lived in Brazil He should know better. He should know what words can be offensive for others. If he does not, that is just ignorance and once again, it is not a trait you should defend him for. I agree with the fact that you should not take someone's career away for such accusations but a paid professional should try to fit better with other cultures if they are interacting with it.

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well said.
we actually had a case about a famous streamer from argentina who was accepted through the community, everyone loved him and he ended up (almost) saying racial slurs during a match and he even admitted, but almost an year later he changed his speech saying he wasn't racist when it was really clear...
People now say we are on witch hunt and "social justice" shit but it's pretty clear: it's been happening for years and this "witch hunt" is jsut a new age of information where we can actually point who is who, what didn't happen back in the days, racists are scared and try to flip the table

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There was some tweets of brazilian players or streamers (i don't remember, Trembolona used to post his research) about keznit behaviour in cs matches.

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yes, every brazilian pro witness (and there are a LOT) from CS days is lying about keznit just because they don't like him. yeah, makes sense.

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Did you read the post? I’m asking for proof not word of mouth

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Who would waste time recording a random being racist, a thing that happens in literally EVERY CS match with/against amateur, semi-professional LATAM teams or happen also in any ranked match that there's a argentinian/chilean with brazilians in the team?

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Mortadelo

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So since he is Argentinan/ Chilenean we just assume he was racist but nobody recorded it? Loool

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When did I say this? I said no one recorded him being racist back in the CS:GO days, because unfortunately it's such a recurring thing that no one would care to record it.

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Mortadelo

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When did you say it? Well my friend as far as I know “No one recorded him being racist back in CS days” Implies that you’re assuming he did with no proof

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BronzilianYoru

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Yeah, I'm assuming he actually did, as there are reports from more than one pro CS:GO player about it.

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Mortadelo

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My friend there are 110 comments on this thread and all of them are just to ask for a source of that. Show those multiple reports, that's all people is asking for here

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LOS Grandes Pleets, a former CS:GO pro player and now a Valorant pro player:
https://twitter.com/pleetsfps/status/1323082966025838594

"Manito I played with him every day at ESEA and he was racist SEVERAL TIMES, I wouldn't be saying that here without being sure what I heard."

This tweet was in 2020, long before the main controversy between dgzin and keznit.

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Mortadelo

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Good then my friend, should have started by that which again is what this whole thing is about. Now it's turn to judge the credibility of that

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I don't think keznit is racist but if he has had immature attitudes which is totally normal, he is still very young.

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buddyhoodie

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yeah, keznit has a lot to learn, and his attitude sometimes is ridiculous, but the more ridiculous thing is to the point that this "controversy" has gotten to, which is honestly baffling

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he is young but he should know his actions have consequences

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matiasqnt

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and where are the consequences of dzgin? He mocked the physicist saying that he looked like a chicken.

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Riot didn't explicitly say they were punishing keznit because of racism, but imo it's just about them not being able to prove it was racism + a case like that being extremely bad for sponsoring and VLR scene in general + if they banned keznit there would be a reaction and a shitshow that would be bad, again, for the VLR scene. they just played smart while also punishing the racist.

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yeah, aguero actually got mad and seethed over riot on a stream after that case lmao

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Mortadelo

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You still haven't answered his question

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yes, I was going to tell you that but it's wasting time so... xd

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They really can't accept it huh

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keznit got to a point there was no other choice than applying a punishment over him.
the guy just can't live a day on brazilian lobbies without being toxic (not racism in this case, TOXIC only)
we have guys like klaus, nagzet, tacolilla all playing on brazilian lobbies, brazilian hubs and we never had any problem. do you wonder why keznit isn't even invited to this kind of hubs?

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my final thoughts about this

he was racist for several years/situations in the past
i dont think he was racist in that cj episode
he is STILL extremely toxic and thats why we still hate him

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you seem to be the only one that cares

cry quietly

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STATS

mwzera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q?playlist=competitive&season=all
keznitDEUS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6tv11_KMiM
NagZet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6tv11_KMiM

STATS ON SKYE
mwzera average damage per round - 97 (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)

MATCHES AGAINST KEZNIT -

mwzera - 0% winrate

can you take your time to appreciate how shitty mwzera is? without a doubt the most overrated player to ever touch the game

this man will get skye and fucking lurk around the map on it, and fail to provide any value to his team whatsoever.

but you know what? forget skye, the best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

so, let's take a look:

mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze
mwzera? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the most overrated player in the world.

He is not killing 40+ per map, fuck, forget 40, he struggles to kill 15+ per map in matches versus tier A (not even tier S) teams!

let's be honest, in brazil any player can get 20+ per map because teams and setups are basically a bad joke (even mwzera has managed to get 28 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/108242/keyd-stars-vs-los-grandes-champions-tour-brazil-stage-2-challengers-lr2/?game=89250&tab=overview)

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W
but people will always bring the CJ episode as if it was the only argument

@edit
at the beginning, people were "biased" to think the CJ episode was ALSO racism because of keznit past actions. so people didn't get it like that for being dumb, there is a whole fucking context here

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No one ever said he wasn't toxic, there is still to be proven any of the other accusations where there isn't evidence anywhere

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Would you care to explain the context

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Okay good, that's a progress my friend, well done. He was toxic that's a fact and you're right, and I think deep down other than your passion for Mwzera your takes regarding everything else are actually way better than what people think. I also think you're coherent with yourself, you hate Keznit, but not Lev, just like you hate for example xand.

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I think it's first time i agree with you. Also Mortadelo explained it better.

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If it happened to so many people there has to be proof?

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Who would waste time recording a random being racist, something that happens in literally every CS match with/against amateur, semi-professional LATAM teams or any ranked match?

If you were Brazilian you would understand. ALMOST every time I have an Argentinian/Chilean on my team in a competitive match at CS, or a Gamers Club (brazilian faceit) match, they use offenses like monkey, n**ga etc.

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It’s not a waste of time. It’s dumb to just assume someone is racist because they are Argentinian/Chilean, that is racist in and of itself. If people had footage of Keznit being a racist piece of shit and outright calling Brazilians slurs like you guys claim, then the community would support you guys, but you don’t. Just baseless accusations that are escalated through Brazilian echo chamber into something negative for both regions.

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I didn't say he's racist because he's Argentinian or Chilean, I said that nobody recorded him being racist in his CS:GO days, because it was common, and it's a waste of time because Valve totally ignores it on the SA servers. Interpret it correctly.

And I don't see why more than one pro CS:GO player, who has nothing to do with Valorant, would lie about him being racist in Gamers Club matches, etc.

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And that circles back to the problem at hand, there is no proof of it. I can see your points and I don’t doubt that there are racists in CS, since video gaming is a cesspool that attracts all kinds of people, but without the proof that a pro player is racist, it looks like the accusers are just crybabies at this point. It is not a good look for the fans of your region unfortunately, if they complain and try to defame a player with no solid proof. But people are entitled to their own opinion and will act regardless. Keznit is definitely an asshole and very immature but accusing him of racism for years with no footage leads to what you see today on the forums sadly.

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Why am I going to show evidence if I'm not looking to prove anything in a COURT?

I simply believe that the reports about keznit being racist in CS are real, as more than one Counter-Strike pro player has spoken about it. If you don't believe it, ok, that's your problem, but I believe it and I know that players who have nothing to do with Valorant wouldn't give these reports for nothing. These reports, which even corroborate with the already common knowledge that he is toxic in praccs etc.

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U got it twisted my guy. This is not like a religion where people “believe” in something, that’s simply not how it works. This is a real life person and the fact of the matter is, he is either racist or not. Not whether you believe he is or not. THAT is why proof matters, otherwise people are slandering him for the wrong reasons. It’s really simple. No one ever mentioned court or any kind of legal process. I could accuse you of anything and if I believe it it doesn’t make it true. That is why people are calling out Brazil fans for witchhunting.

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Yes, things work like that. More than one CS:GO player has given reports that he has been racist more than once. Translate this tweet: https://twitter.com/pleetsfps/status/1323082966025838594

"Manito I played with him every day at ESEA and he was racist SEVERAL TIMES, I wouldn't be saying that here without being sure what I heard."

This tweet was in 2020, long before the main controversy between dgzin and keznit. TESTIMONY IS ALSO A LEGAL EVIDENCE, so yeah, I will in these testemonies.

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I have already explained to you why your logic is flawed and you keep regurgitating the same stuff. Word of mouth is not proof, never has been. Also you do not know what a testimony is, it is given under oath. Nobody ever mentioned any legal repercussions so I don’t know why you think you did something with that either. Keep on going in the echo chamber bro 👍🏾 I can’t debate with someone who doesn’t even attempt to understand both perspectives. Things have never worked like how you’re trying to put it, I find your ignorance pathetic.

continue thread →

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I agree with you trembo 🤝

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trembo do an AMA

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most brazilians have already admitted that this is stupid and hugely exaggerated and are just supporting their teams without feeding into the baseless controversy. of course, there's a few dumbfucks, but the huge majority of manitos aren't weirdos, they're good ppl 🤝

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most brazilians? wtf bro, don't make up things in order to look right. you are saying a bunch of bullshit

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Bro mad cuz he in the weirdo minority. Provide proof shidoh, you claim that it happened to so many people and pros, then some of them should have evidence no?

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it's not minority, i know my own fucking country :)
and we'll always stand against racism and against guys who live in bubbles and cannot understand anything mildly complex, like you

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Provide proof or stfu, stop talking about irrelevant shit. This is why you’re the most braindead Brazilian on this forum

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You don't stand against racism, you just want to hate keznit. Standing against racism is understanding the situation and reflecting upon it. You ain't even trying to make the world a better place, instead want an average person that had an immature attitude, gone from this world

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No one is making shit up, whether it be on this website, or in any other platform where you talk to real people instead of receiving echo chamber messages from a hivemind, you can tell what most ppl actually think. the fact that you are a big weirdo with a huge self-victimization fetish who can't stop creating imaginary drama and suffering to feel victimized has nothing to do with what real people will say and opine after actually looking at the facts of what happened.

Vast majority of people after putting a decent amount of critical thought into the situation and thinking without letting sensationalism from either side get to them, arrive at the same conclusion, sure, the guy's been toxic and immature, but the racism accusations are baseless, ridiculous and sensationalized to self-victimize and create more and more pitchfork bullshit against an specific player because of a stupid fixation against him. get out of you little bubble Shidoh, you're worrying. you're attacking me for making a comment supporting the BR community... that should make you realize how fucked you are lol

you claim to know your country because of a little bubble hatred shitty community you have, meanwhile a fuckton of brazilians i've spoken to both in-person and online have said what I stated after actual debates and thought, as opposed to baseless crying as you're accustomed to. big weirdo

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This is very well said about this guy. So fkin dumb and hiveminded and he’s the one talking about other people “living in a bubble”

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In football its usually the opposite . Idk how its like that in the val scene there but in football Brazilians face a lot of racism .

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you'll probably get downvoted since everyone here is biased against brazil and will even ignore facts.
the football scene just shows there is a racism culture in those latin countries. keznit is a consequence of his culture.

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I will say it again, you're problem is not that what you're saying it's wrong, your problem is that you can't see what your own people's mistake

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jiangLi didn't even state that said racism was coming from latinos lol

what he said is true but you really think that Dani Alves while playing in PSG got thrown bananas by some chilean in the stadium? no, weirdo... it was racist ppl from europe and other continents, because racism is highly independant from nationality. no one is making this about argentina or chile or any other country being racist. Brazilians have received a lot of racism in the past, but has nothing to do with a certain country and the baseless victimization some people are taking this to is insane, and even more by people like you in this forum crying for no reason in a FPS game forum lol

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i never heard anything of him on cs, but the monkey clip is disgusting, i don't think he is racist and you all are turning ok something that is not.

here in Brazil we are trying to solve things and have "justice" just by screaming and hating, fuck the facts and all. this is absolutelly wrong, everything that is happening in Brazil we are trying to solve this way and every fucking thing is going wrong because of that, recently some pros tried to build a hub like fpl, you know what happend? we divided in thousands of factions and hated each other. Again we have a problem with keznit, in both moments (monkey clip, and cj acident) he made two statements that we can clearly put as racial injury, and the brazilian community did what? screams, hate, death threads and all. at the end what we've gain is everyone agains us in every possible situation.

disclaimer: dg was idiot at calling mazino slow. but not comparable, at least for me.
disclaimer2: my english is a bit broken, trying my best, corrections will be very lovely

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both instances were disproven to be racist and proven to have been taken out of context, which is why posters usually ask if there's actual proof of him being racist or not (a question which continues to go unanswered by the hivemind of crybabies)

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From what the GordoReally said, he was banned multiple times in GamersClub for the amount of cheating accusations he stacked only for having good aim, something like a Ropz situation, but in this case they just banned him

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this is normal in gc

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Pretty much, but apparently these accusations were made by pros of the scene

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aspas got that ban right?

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Imo the exaggeration in every comment we post is higher than a gold's ego, the amount of hate he is getting is way more than what he deserves. He said bad stuff in 2021 and we addressed it, and it's almost 2023, ppl can change... it's funny how each thread made about him gets to 100 comments in less than 2 hrs

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i dont like keznit either. he looks and acts like a douchebag but seeing the brazilian hate for nearly a year now, i think brazilians are just crybabies who know they wont see another lucky fairytale story like loud so they throw shit at everyone they can

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f-s-Ktal1U&t=3s

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"KEZNIT IS PUNISHED BY RIOT AFTER OFFENSES TO DGZIN,..."

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pretty weird that both dgzin and shaw talked shit but were not sanctioned, also taking the title of a video and not the official statement is kinda 🤡

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Half of these brazilian are retarded ffs can't even take things lightly

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_KDdrlkeM

he imitated a monkey for a brazilian

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Thank god I'm no pro gamer and twitch streamer I would be banned after 1 hour cuz I make weird noises and ppl over exaggerated every shit they hear/see.