How are people seeing M3C lose ONE game and going: oh yeah they've FALLEN off they're never winning again.

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Yeah I mean he was fucked so not sad to see him gone. I think they're a lot more comfortable now, and I think they're still pumping out great content.

Imma be honest I think Optic is just leagues ahead of any other NA team at the moment. I'd be shocked if they dropped a series this qualification.

Honestly yeah unless Guard get to work again, which I trust them to do. I can't believe C9 would do this NOW tho it feels so stupid.

LMFAOO LFT OXY??? On a more serious note, if they could poach some V1 and Knights players that would be fantastic for them. I'm thinking Zellsis (provided his mental health improves), Skuba, Ban, maybe even Zander. We'll really have to see what happens tho.

Tbf I think he might be the weakest of the Guard players but that's not saying much bc they're all pretty good overall. He really fits the team as well, which is why I'm sure they've kept him around. I say wait until the year is up, then consider roster moves. Everyone's still very young.

Who tf gets the second spot now....

This is awful

Yeah I don’t see that team going anywhere atm tho. There’s really strong competition in NA and I don’t think they could beat TSM or NRG much less C9 or Optic

I like beavers

Bro those are literally all the games he's played with TGRD in VCT. Idk what you want lmao

Bro I mean they have strats and play together; that's more than another specific "tier 1 NA team"

In Saya's last 14 games, he's been above 200 acs in all but two of them and only bottom fragged once. How on earth is that not consistent.

Edit: meant to respond to the person this comment is responding too.

Bro Loud, PRX, or Zeta are gonna win no cap not even trolling

Wrong they're actually looking decent, competition is just fierce in NA rn

Are you calling yay and saya not consistent LMFAO

Wrong! NA pioneered the Phoenix meta, everyone else just copied, you will see its power at masters

I feel like Stax is very good at drilling util combos but no one on DRX is good at midrounding (just look at what FNS did to em)

Ez clap you got this shit

Yes I agree

Bro then who is

Cap on the optic suffering

Fantastic player, meh igl imo

I'll def check it out, thank you!

Alright some people are gonna flame me for this, but I think Shaz last year was a good igl and a top tier player. Even in the first challengers of this year he looked really good individually, and had some great sova utill. He fell off HARD this qualification.

Just curious who WOULD you say is #1 then

I'm sorry did you just say Optic just go for duels??? They're insanely structured dude, nearly as much as M3C. Besides, I don't think Redgar is as good as FNS at midrounding and calling even if he's a better fragger.

Abt Ange1 just check my other comment. I don't know enough.

Isn't Zest the IGL for DRX at the moment tho? I definitely agree Crow is amazing, I'd put him 6th. And for C0M, I'd say yes he's on the rise but I'd rate Zander and Valyn as better IGLs in NA rn even with Zander's underperformance last qual.

If I could get Guard, C9, and Optic, I'd be happy asf. 100T would be a nice bonus. Then we could also have Fnatic, M3C, FPX, and Liquid/Ascend/Guild from EMEA. Loud, NiP, Vivo Keyd from Brazil. Zeta and Crazy Racoons from Japan. OnSlayers and DRX from Korea. PRX, Xerxia, and some other team from SEA. Then have three matches a day. That would be so fucking hype.

True but I don't know enough about FPX and how much he contributes.

I'm very sad becuase I want 4 teams from NA to be in masters and we can only have 2 :(

Disclaimer: I'm caring more about their igling ability not their fragging, but obviously fragging does matter some.

#1: FNS. His midrounding at Masters was an absolute masterclass. He might not be a big fragger, but he's definitely not ALWAYS dead weight, and you can tell he really leads outside of the game as well. Any team that picks him up will do well, and with Optic, he's formed them into one of the best teams in the world.

#2: Redgar. A great fragger, super wholesome dude, and fantastic within M3C's structure (a lot of which he made). One of the few IGLs that can clutch just as well as a star fragger, and his and ENGH's strats set the meta. Ofc with M3C he won Masters 3 last year and was a finalist at Champs. Excited to see more of his team next masters hopefully!

#3: Saadhak. A fantastic kayo player, and undoubtably the greatest IGL in South and Central America (yes ik Loud is a Brazillian team I'm talking geographically). With Loud, he plays and calls incredibly. I wish I knew more about him out of game too, but sadly I don't speak Spanish or Portuguese, so it's harder to find info.

#4: Boaster. I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this one, but even though his individual performances can be lackluster and his strats overcomplicated, he's absolutely the centerpiece of Fnatic both in and out of the game. He's the emotional glue AND he shapes the team along with Mini. Their victory over M3C last qualifier shows the peaks he can reach individually and his team's structure can reach as a whole.

#5: Vanity. In terms of roster building, he makes such a difference. The only igl to lead TWO seperate rosters with different core players to international tournaments (V1 and C9). Once again, he's not the strongest fragger, but he's proven himself able to create a team and get them to compete on the highest level. That's a super rare achievement, and I hope C9 qualifies so we can see more of him.

Wrong that assistant was badass, he's more like the Galaga dude

I'm so excited to see their comps (and chronicle)

Star Lord: Boaster, Funny dude who pumps his team up then gets carried.

LMFAOOOO

I honestly don't think ghost is THAT free form and I see them working to be more structured everyday. Sen is a great comparison tho, and a great proof as to why Optic is a step above that type of team.

Not on fracture tho

This is a good point. Even if some EMEA team would've won the whole thing if they were full strength/attending, the fact of the matter is they didn't. I also think anyone saying Optic was a fluke or that they played badly obviously didn't watch the matches. The quality of gameplay between Optic and Loud was amazing, and I'm only more excited for future confrontations between those two with other great teams like M3C, FPX, and Fnatic.

Yes but I'll have to see more to be confident in him.

Lmao g2 over c9

Better than tenz

Optic and C9!!! I must see vanity on lan again.

I’d say yay chronicle aspas

Honorable mentions to: derke, marved, mako, nukkye, sacy, nats, sugarzero, laz, cryo, leaf, on and on….

Confirmed??? Let’s fucking gooooo!!!!

No one was seriously saying that lmfao they were just baiting

I'm waiting!

Yeah he's fixing in the win against faze

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