jeez louis whats up with you and drx

hate it when this happens.

never works well for both parties. yoman is still a good player.

NS has got some big ass mountains to climb 😭😭😭 good luck to them tho

lakia "can" aim. his run in champs just ruined the image but he can aim.

nah you can't really compete with T1, unless the player himself wants to stay

no use if the players want to leave. meteor wanted to join T1, lakia healing his injuries now.

might not see the crazy structured DRX from 2022-2023 since their playstyle and igl have changed. but that is due to player change too. two different versions of DRX/VS and this version looks like it has the best fragging power and aggressive strats.

It's impossible to tell him the truth. He just blindly ignores everything. Mans said, "Learning Japanese and English made Korean players better," and ignored all of my rebuttals. This is an absolute waste of time.

people who support Japanese team just want only "Japanese" or people who speak "Japanese" in their team

did you not read wtv the fuck i have been typing? You don't know what is going on enough to be typing all these shit and even when people tell you that it isn't the problem, you turn blind eye. It isn't about opinions but a fact. you don't change a fact.

just sounds like you have nothing else to argue because up until this point you still have not come up with a proper response to all my questions and arguments. Like all those words saying that "factually" language is not the big problem and you just don't give 2 shit.

1. you don't give proper response to an actual argument with facts
2. when you can't think of proper arguemnt with facts, you just go "well lets agree to disagree" after clearly stating the wrong point.
3. if you aren't familiar with the scene, just don't force you shit down to people who actually follow the scene. you're just an uneducated viewer when it comes to JP scene.
4. learn how to properly discuss, blindly ignoring actual facts and trying to validate your factually wrong opinion won't get you nowhere.

ZETA had to face NS and PRX (since you just completely ignored my points) btw. didnt even have a proper chance to play against mid table teams.
DFM got a swift victory over GE when akame and jinboong got their form back, only to face PRX.

Kick-off is still in progress and we aren't even in stage 1 but you are already crying over JP teams. Language was not the issue, but the constant change of roles of Laz, tenn, hiroronn, yuran, and ping pong of igls with coach issues got the worst out of ZETA.
DFM was just straight up messed up in 2023 and 2024 in terms of tier 1 worthy talent in that year

"Talon is a HK org" - valorant division is in Thailand and they were full thai until fr0st came in. NO ONE was from HK to begin with for Talon.
EMEA is a different case as they were already mixed nations to begin with and always had various nationalities playing with each other since the beginning of esports and english was generally required unless teams went full French/Turk/Russia.
wtf do you mean
"When korean learn to speak english and Japanese, they become good at the game". language don't make you better.
dont come in here talking about "sadly majority won't pick him". if a player wants to move to a foreign team, they will learn the language like how a lot of koreans did to get a move to JP. so IF meiy wanted to join another org (which he rejected multiple times already, even ZETA), he would learn the lingo.

you dont need to learn their language to improve and learn. didnt know termi could speak Russian, English, and Turkish when he adopted some of the tactics. Also, if you didnt know, ZETA has Brazilian and Ukrainian coach so that is clearly not the main issue.

2023
DFM - God awful pick ups
ZETA - Kept switching IGLs between Laz and Sugarzero, Tenn was not the same as 2022 but still won the LCQ and went to champs.
2024
DFM - opted to keep washed players (hate to say it) and did not change much from 2023
ZETA - picked up yuran and hiroronn, only to put them in a new role
2025
DFM - picked up akame and jinboong who were one of the best players in VCJ, brought in Art as IGL, gyen came in as a hot prospect
ZETA - picked up the fennel core. CLZ was one of the best IGL in vcj, syouta arguably had the best aim among tier 1 and 2 JP scene, xdll another solid player

vlr 상위 1%임 ㄹㅇㅋㅋ

well i've met more than enough of koreans living abroad most of my life and i've only met 2-3 actual arrogant people but it was in highschool so they might have matured up.
"majority" is a risky word.

OP is forgetting the 2023 season where T1 and GENG were clueless and DRX only got better going into Champs after roster change fck-ups

won't go as far as generalising the entire nation

always gave the top teams a hard match and honestly should have beaten GENG in kick-off 2025 but GENG just clutched up

still mad that estrella got all the sticks and others just went under the radar. mfkers were shitting on him for the smallest thing they could find.

what even is the point of this thread?

im korean too but i just don't see any good reason for you to be posting this. RRQ is well known to be a really good team, estrella is doing well, KR teams are doing well but this just sounds arrogant.

이런거 하면 그냥 한국 팬들 이미지만 안좋아져서 단어선택 조심하셔야 할듯. 행복vlr 하세요 <3

KR players study Japanese when they join a JP team to gel with the team. CN is in their own region so adding them to the argument is futile.

your words are really negative and making it sound like JP as a region has got serious stubbornness but in reality, DFM played RRQ who almost beat GENG, ZETA faced NS and PRX. Unlucky draw.

Sengoku gaming, BB, and scarz did not have any notable achievements apart from SCZ's run in LCQ. Individually they may shine but they always fell short to full JP or JP/KR roster who spoke full JP in comms.

Learn the F'ing english? how about the foreign players learn Japanese since the org is paying them + they are joining a JP team that only speaks Japanese

o7 BME got some quality plays

:(

thats a really good point tbh.

true true. also i miss your Chao Hui EDG flair.

i mean i won't say "sack em" but they were mainly talking about representation of different nations i think.

KR/CN's dedication in esports are something else

my fav from EDG was always nobody. man deserves some more recognition

I can't lie, i wanna see them in international tournaments. Jemkin and Kushy too clean with it.

RRQ looking real nice though

aight we cool

one can misinterpret but saying "watch your wording" AFTER you make a mistake figuring out a simple sentence is concerning. and when replied upon, just says "allat". grow up mate.

I wouldnt have cared if you just said "shit, i misunderstood". but "watch your wording pls"? give me a break.

huitz saying "allat" to a spaced out words is worrying man. mans brain is beyond repair.

can't even take on a proper argument after not understanding the initial comment. absolute embarrassment.
might as well change your flag to your actual one.

watch my wording for?
before "i want to see him as a full time duelist", i specifically said "it wouldnt hurt to have a fragger like him on the senti".

did not mention deryeon or pat. You've been going around hyping him up but all i said was "udo would be good on senti, but personally want to see him on duelist".

udo on duelist is just my preference and pat can learn senti like meteor. "preference". PREFERENCE. idc about your interpretation but you are just making shit up at this point

you are just way too invested in hyping patrick but i didnt even mention any other player. take a chill pill.

like can you not read? when did i say that udo+deryeon is better than udo+pat? PLEASE mate, read and properly understand what im saying.

People don't realise that performances in trial do not always translate well to actual matches on stage and keep finding excuses like "if we had x we would have won". people be hyping up EVERYONE

couldn't care less. man's had zero care and shit talked god knows how many players and teams.

find it yourself mate, i am not wasting my time going through that guy's account

it wouldn't hurt to have a fragger like him in the sentinel role

and yes ive seen patrick play.

have you not seen his posts at all

If Udotan doesn't mind playing Seni, it wouldn't hurt to have a fragger like him in the sentinel role. but i want to see him as a full time duelist, just me though.

fr0st is going to mess up dambi's development so... no.

^this. every team needs a player like that. a nice little foundation for the team and udotan/kr1stal/papi can frag out for the team anyway.

i lowkey second this. having OCE in pacific would be perfect in terms of representation

fairs but some of the coaches you listed werent in "top of their game" for more than a year tbh. But i see your point.

nice to see udotan play duelist again. both are seriously good. Papi too.

solo with his 2024 can't be regarded as a good coach? I would say he can be added to that list now.

10/10 noodle

all those korean baiters out there, be humble

doubt any baiters were actually korean and if im being honest, stay humble is such a funny thing to say. Like we are all just chilling and out of the blue taking strays from "indomie"

might do it for next year's kick-off since RIOT changed the format in 2025 compared to 2024 kick-off