you are over-analysing this. SPG wasn't an "org" so it was possible for NS, so it isn't the case of "rich org buying smaller org for a spot in franchsing", but more like "actual org takes over a group of players and the coach".
*if the reports are true.

blue treble clef buddy. I cant remember when I got it but its real nice.

yea but i guess its something that double duelist comp can't avoid. Someone's gotta headbutt their way in.

i tune into him BECAUSE he is chill.

That is true, and he is the only entry GENG has, unlike PRX with double entry

krytox is right, they simply didnt make it pass the open trial

Fans should be more objective and not take everything in directly. Plus saying that their "goal" is to make masters isn't the same as "we will make it to masters", and a few fans were saying that this is good enough to make it, or at least top 3 pacific. Top 3 duelist, well its better than saying "our duelist is alright". A coach will speak highly of his team obv.

I hate to break it to you but Pacific is too competitive and GE making it to playoffs should already be a good achievement since they couldn't do that for the last 2 seasons.

fact that some GE fans were saying that they are going to challenge for the masters spot was a delusion, to begin with anyway. This roster is not bad, but y'all wanting it to make it to masters was the issue. This roster with time will do alright, and it seems that they have yet to cook anything yet anyway.

Oh right, its only PRXvGENG

sliggy

HLE has crazy budget, KT has been around LoL since like 2012 or 2013. In a way, Dplus is a random org in terms of years active. I doubt Dplus has the budget of the 2 orgs mentioned too. Its just the way esports works, money is a significant factor in franchising.

lowkey hoped for HLE but nongshim entering is pretty nice since they have been in the scene for some time now (if its true)

dont jump to a conclusion, it would be naive to change your igl and the 5 of them showed interest in staying tgt. He might just be late in posting or the contract is not finalised yet.

Talon isnt as bad as you think tbh.

if you want a proper discussion, just ignore them or reply with proper way mate.
Chronicle, sheydos, and redgar all were switching roles for certain maps.
Sheydos usually rotated between skye and sage (sometimes reyna)
chronicle filled in the roles when redgar played breach with brimstone, also filled in with viper, sova, skye, and kj. coming into 2022, he even played chamber and raze.
It was sheydos who went full time initiator during M3C days.
Chronicle was ALWAYS the flex player of the team with redgar and sheydos too in the GMB days but towards the end of GMB and during M3C, chronicle was playing in every role

your replies to people with different views are far from "debate" though.
"you are stupid" (not very "debate" like)
"Said the fan of DRX, the most failed team in Valorant" (when they came up with MULTIPLE set plays and lineups that many teams use even now)
"shitinels"
"Chronicle only became flex last year" (Chronicle was playing controller/sentinel/initiator regularly from GAMBIT days)

it just sounds like you are not even remotely ready for a proper debate.

This might be the most biased and delusional take I have EVER read in vlr and blud can't take 1 criticism. yikes.

isnt that the guy who said GENG had "physical altercation" that resulted in players leaving? I saw someone linking that a while ago LOL

W

oh yea i meant just him when it comes to hating. This guy might be mentally challenged because I cant think of 1 good reason anyone can hate their own players (same country) so much

a lot of people have BLG winning the first match vs DRX, and no one rates them so much as a contender. DRX fans are just hoping to see the team being fused well together. Jeez the hate on DRX is insane when no one was talking about them. Just don't get how you motivate yourself to shit talk them, but oh well you somehow shit talk GENG players too so I'm not surprised

DRX's abyss was really good tho, even sliggy got them as the best on abyss.

i am afraid to open that link

a lot of the players are already mentioned, so here I go

STAXXXX

Kinda of a classic at this point, but BADLAND is pretty solid

patrick looking pretty good tbh, regardless of the kills, the team seems to be working pretty smoothly considering its a brand new team.

0 first kills and i dont really believe the stats farmed with broken ass agent. Not saying venka is bad, but to say "leave your ass team" is a bit far fetched

i think we gotta wait for Radiant Asia Invitational to confirm the roles.

zexy looking good again and again, THANK YOU. He is still really young so I've got high hopes for him.

FOU has more players that have experienced Challengers main stage since 2022 so on paper they have proved more. SLT has C1nder who is pretty experienced but yea "on paper" FOU might be more favoured. I think SLT is still a bit inconsistent. That don't mean SLT will lose tho, both are capable of getting a convincing win today.

same as every VCT events with Upper and Lower brackets. The upper bracket winners that made it to grand final first will always get 2 map veto

lol its hosted by soop and they are streaming. I know you are annoyed due to the SEA streams but damn chillax, they have pretty good outlay and system.

OH MY GOD THAT RIGHT FROM CHANDLER

chandler losing about 15 fight iq per minute rn

Olivera vs Chandler (2 years of full camp is crazy)
miocic fighting again
Not a bad card tbh, I ain't complaining.
Jones vs Aspinall would have been better for "undisputed" tho, considering that it is MSG

yea but they are listed as "academy" to play in the VCL so... they kinda cheated the system

never seen any of them in actual VCT tier 1/2 games apart from surf so I'm not going to say nothing. T1 academy looks insane tho, with the amount of experience they have on their hands

ive been saying this but SPG was already a really good team pre-neon

cook him froggy.

i think the OP may have forgotten about some players and the line between tiers and players got ambiguous as it goes to tier C/D

I wanted to include every intl winner, so F tier exists for people who don’t deserve to make the list but won an international

oh i get it now, you can ignore the zombs part in my reply mate. Really refreshing to see these ranks btw.

Fact that mako and stax are that high up without any int trophy hurts my heart man. Also Buzz should be C if I'm being honest (although you could argue that he had his inconsistent moments). and if you are putting zombs/mindfreak, id put rb too, man survived every meta changes by doing well in every role he was assigned to. Like scream over buzz is not it for me. I'd argue about t3x and zek too and kinggg's addition

nah ruffy cant lose

true...

its impossible to compare them since they lived in different times. Should rather ask "who is the best in ### era". With that said, purely out of entertainment, I'd go with Alexander. big brain dude and deffo one of the smartest war time general considering the era he was living.

fuck jon "duck" jones. Runs away from USADA, runs away from ngannou, runs away from aspinall, but claims that he is the GOAT in HW after only fighting once in HW. Not to mention he should have lost vs Reyes, most of his LHW opponents are middleweights, full doping body vs DC 2. Literal criminal with multiple charges. Shogun gave him a chance to fight for the title when he did not achieve anything, ducks Tom who shat on everyone else. DC accepts the fight with almost 10 years of age diff, ducks aspinall when its his turn. Loves to eye poke, loves to cheat, loves to do oblique kick on opponent's KNEE. Fuck jones.

sorry for the crash out, but I hate jones.

Charles Olivera> (sorry chandler but when u walk into the cage your IQ drops to a single digit. pls prove me wrong)
Nickal>
Llontop> (I'm just going for my gut feeling, I know a lot of ppl will say ruffy is the top dog.)

i dont really click the "list your top 5" in vlr, especially in the off-seasons. too many biased delusional zero brain merchants in the thread. but I gotta tell you, anyone with brain puts mako in top 5

no one thinks of him as someone outside top 5 controllers. He's always been in top3, or top 5 after taking on igl. idk where you getting these narratives but no one who actually watches VCT puts him OUTSIDE top 5.

Before that, he was released by T1 because they went for an English-speaking team, and if I'm remembering correctly, K1ng chose to do his ns immediately after that. Hopefully he is still sharp when he comes back (probs sure he will)

k1ng's not even allowed to sign to any org until he is discharged from his national service

you know nothing and just yapping without any background info for reactions lul