Yeah but fnatic saved their strats ever since lock-in and fabric outclasses nrg individually as well the only way nrg stand a chance is anti strating and they can’t anti strat fnatic because nobody knows what the true fnatic actually looks like nrg have also not looked as dominant as optic was last year they played a close series with t1 who got knocked out by edg and they lost a map to a really shaky navi side the fact they struggled so much in groups should give you more confidence this isn’t 2022 anymore where they have marved and the best player of one of the most broken agents in the history of valorant they aren’t as good as last year and fnatic are much better even against last years optic they would be the favourites imo

They are outclassed in every position except for igl which is equal chronicle destroys victor derke destroys ardiis Leo owns crashies just like coppenhagen he is sending them to the lower bracket and mini is at least equal to chet if not better plus fnatic have been saving their strats the whole time so nrg don’t have the opportunity to be anti strat them and they can’t beat them in fundamentals or mechanical skill so fnatic will win

Yeah but nrg can’t play liquid as they topped their group

Then you need a new brain as only loud are on fnatics level nrg is below prx so not top 3 and prx are not better than fnatic as prx rely on their insane fundamentals and mechanical skills while fnatic is better at both best in the world at both even and only loud are close to their level with prx being a little behind loud in those 2 things and both fnatic and loud are the meta setters of the world a lot of the stuff you see in valorant meta is mostly either created by fnatic or loud so in terms of strategy they both beat prx, prx is close to their level but not quite their yet and nrg struggled against t1 they are not in the same tier as fnatic and loud yet as they haven’t proven they belong their they haven’t been dominant enough in groups

Yeah but that’s the problem they are practically the same as fnatic used to be they might be able to make runs but never be able to win competitions in my opinion if there is a team that should be used as an example it’s fnatic look at the progress they have been making since the start they’ve been only looking for the right players not been to hasty to pick up the best players they’ve been patient and it worked out they managed to pick up alfajer it might have taken almost 2 years but it was worth the wait I would say then soon after they managed to get chronicle and Leo who although they are also the best players in their roles they also happen to be exactly the roles they need also many people seem to forget fnatic was originally a team with derke and the way how they were bake to match the best with boater and derke was anti strating and cool unique ideas but that’s the problem will potter be willing to part with some of her favourites when the time comes and opportunity comes to be able to upgrade certain players for eg to turn from an upset team to a genuine contender that’s what fnatic have done and eg will have to take the same path but the question is will eg back potter like fnatic backed mini and will potter be able to make those hard decisions to drop favourites of hers if upgrades become available that will determine whether or not eg will be able to truly become a team that can consistently compete with the fnatic’s and the loud’s of the valorant world

Derke is a better raze he was digging aspas on raze while aspas was using jett in the lock-in final and on the 2 maps they both played jett derke had more kills in end derke is better than aspas not by much but still slightly better

Honestly I would love it if they just open a stream with intense and exciting animations just for them to at the end have the 4 playoffs teams and 4 groups teams just have their names pulled out of a hat to decide who plays each other and we end up with prx against eg the most unpredictable team against 1 of the best anti strating teams, nrg vs loud because why not we know riot loves this match up they are forever cursed to play each other every international tournament t1 or edg against liquid and fnatic gets drx or fut somehow that is probabaly the easiest match up and fnatic don’t get punished whatsoever for saving strats and practically giving liquid the win with how badly they were playing in that final

If he keeps improving he genuinely might reach that derke and aspas level I feel like he’s around the sayf, something and demon1 level where they have the potential to become as good as derke and aspas if they keep on improving at the speeds in which they are improving

Yeah I know americas is a farmers league once either nrg or eg get drawn against fnatic they will be sent straight to the lower brackets right out of groups chronicle and Leo own nrg and demon1 decided to leave emea for na because he knows he doesn’t stand a chance in emea against derke

China gets 4 spots if they win

Your 1 of the only smart Americans on this site

Says the team that can’t even beat nrg which dropped a map to navi who had 3 players playing in different roles and almost lost to t1 just wait until playoffs where you and all the other na fans will once again go back into hiding when nrg gets humiliated by fnatic and your na teams gets exposed for being frauds congratulations you beat the 3rd and 4th best teams in the emea regions eg almost lost lotus to fut and only win 13-5 on split whereas fnatic beat fut on lotus twice 13-5’and 13-1 and also beat fut 13-2 on split both eg and nrg will not be able to beat fnatic chronicle and Leo owns nrg and demon1 went to na from emea because he knows he’s not able to compete with derke so he went to na instead

Saadhak becomes John wick 2.0?

At least that way we can finally shut up the Americans who keep claiming they are the best region when in fact the fnatic and loud region is the best and maybe prx with something once nrg gets exposed by these 2 teams peace and quiet will finally be brought back

Nrg can barely beat t1
And eg dropped more than 4 rounds on both split and lotus against fut they even got taken to over time on lotus fnatic have lost a combined 8 rounds out of 3 maps when fnatic have played fut on lotus and split meanwhile eg are losing 12 in 1 map they are not beating fnatic nrg and eg will get exposed when they play fnatic or maybe even liquid tbh

He’s French what do you expect theirs only 2 types of French people the really good like enzo and the really bad like this French guy and unfortunately most of the French people on sites like this are the really bad French people

Not even 2-3 the emea teams in playoffs are 3-4 fnatic are the best team of the emea region wile its widely acknowledged that liquid are the 2bd beta team as well and at the moment until navi switch back their roles and stop trolling I would even say fut is the 3rd best team of the emea region

I feel like fut aren’t bad they are just nervous as not only is it their 1st masters but also they needed to perform well so they could automatically qualify for champions I feel lien they will play better now that there is no added pressure of having to win to get a champions spit without going through lcq plus there result against eg was technically better than drx so you never know maybe fut beat drx it’s unlikely but without the added pressure and having got that 1st win it might give them omnire confidence allowing them to play better and maybe even catch drx by surprise and upset them

4 of the 5 teams were also bullied eg got beat by talon meanwhile even combining the round scores of sen and 100t they only got 24 less than half of fnatics rounds against them and c9 despite taking a map we’re destroyed and abused in the last 2 maps

Just ignore them the americas fans have gotten extremely arrogant but they will get a reality check in playoffs and it’s ironic they are americas fans so they should know better than everyone that if players aren’t playing in their natural roles the team will naturally perform worse shao, zyppan and angel have their roles switched up if they were to switch back and actually play with their normal roles navi would of beat edg and it would of been a much closer series between them and nrg as navi took a map off of nrg while having 3 players playing in roles different from their normal roles but all these americas fans rating loud above fnatic nrg and eg above prx and maybe even liquid will get a reality check prx are extremely unpredictable it’s much harder to anti strat them so eg and nrg will struggle a lot against them and fnatic saved strats since lock-in all the way till now and have still looked dominant their pure individual skill is ridiculous and liquid have improved a lot and don’t play troll comps and switch around their roles for no reason everything will be revealed in playoffs who are the true top teams and which teams only look good because they weren’t playing the top teams yet

Angel trolling with comps and role swapping is the answer cned and suygetsu were performing fine and even though shao was great it’s because it’s shao like I know shao is versatile but why is he playing smokes when he’s a top 5 initiator itw and why is zyppan the Skye player and angel the kayo angel should be smokes shao should be Skye and zyppan should be kayo angel has just went mad I think he’s taken his trolling to another level just look at nrg for example when their players were playing different roles they lost to even mibr and now look at them when they are playing on their actual roles once navi stop trolling and switch back to their normal roles they will instantly improve

Na looking invincible like the best region then they got destroyed 1 after another with only nrg putting up a fight talking a map off loud and going into overtime on the last map but they still got destroyed 13-3 or 13-4 in that same series they once again haven’t played fnatic or loud and are going on about how na is the best region exactly like lock-in but once they faced these 2 teams they lost all 3 matches

You don’t have to wait taht long as I’m pretty sure 1 of nrg or eg plays fnatic 1st round the ‘big brother’ of emea they will be humbled really quickly and 1 of the teams from the apparently beat region in the world will be sent straight to the lower bracket in the 1st round of playoffs

This isn’t 2022 anymore where nrg have marved and have yay to carry them anymore or a broken agent to abuse nrg almost lost to t1 they will be bullied by fnatic if they get unlucky and draw them 1st round their going straight to the lower brackets

Yeah and then fnatics and navi wiped out all of the americas league teams without dropping a map on the omega bracket side only loud put up a challenge with furia challenging fnatic on 1 map

You mean the 1st masters where the skill level was by far the lowest out of every international tournament and the 3rd masters where emea’s best team couldn’t attend their 2nd best team played with 2 subs and 1 of the players who couldn’t play was their star player the best team barely didn’t make it due to the 2nd best team at full strength beating then then g2 played their best ever valorant in playoffs fluking a win against the 3rd best team while the only team at full strength out of the top emea teams was the 4th best which made it to 4th place the worst 2 international tournaments and this is not Iceland the only international tournaments na can win is Iceland

I mean he’s not even the best player in the world or even his region or even tbh as crashies is probably better than him and aspas and less are definitely better than him he’s not on the same level as any of fnatic’s 4 star players Leo, chronicle, alfajer and derke as well as mako I would say sayf is better than him as well the only 7 players who could have a 1st masters perm once rivalring tenz is Leo, chronicle, alfajer, derke, aspas, less and mako if drx make it far he is gonna be the main reason

Honestly I generally think you might actually be the least biased person on vlr and maybe the sanest 1 as well

They might just make fnatic play nrg as it will probabaly be the most hyped up match as these 2 teams have never played each other even when the fns and the others were on both optic and even envy they have never played each other in an international tournament before so riot might have that matchup as a way to hype up not just masters tokyo but franchising in general for the 1st masters of franchising we get a battler between 2 of the most consistent teams always making it to international events an funny enough the only 2 events they didn’t both attend was the 1st masters where fnatic lost in the final to a na team and the 2nd masters where nrg who were known at the time as envy lost in the finals to a emea team both 3-0 losses as well so riot might have them play each other to hype up masters tokyo and as a kind of matchup to signal new beginnings

The only correct answer is Leo he will simply fire a shock dart that will somehow makes its way into the core of the weapon that is firing the death beam and it will completely fry the part of the weapon that is making it function easy he is the only 1 who will hit his shit 100% of the time just give him a bow and an electric arrow basically a shock dart and gg it’s over and we can all go back to bed

100thieves, mibr, kru and sentinels are bad
Furia and leviatan have become worse over time they are worse than they were at lock-in
Every region only has 4 good teams all 3 regions are the same

I don’t think it can be unless nrg lose to t1 which is unlikely as I think team liquid and loud face 2nd place teams and fnatic and prx face 1st place teams as fnatic an prx are th 2 lower seeds of the 4 I think so most lowly we will get at least 1 emea vs na matchup with fnatic against either nrg or eg most likely a sling as nrg wins I think that’s how the seeding for playoffs works

Wait until the americas teams face fnatic and liquid before making such statements they are the best teams in both split and lotus in emea and eg struggled to beat fut in lotus and nrg lost to navi on lotus and as for split fut are just bad at that map they list 13-2 to fnatic and 13-5 to team liquid you can claim they are behind on the meta but wait until fnatic and liquid play before saying this as if they just beat all the americas teams then you will look like an idiot wait until eg or nrg play fnatic before discussing about who’s using better comps especially on split as both fnatic and liquid beat navi on split and crushed fut on split as well so nrg and eg beating navi and eg on split is not as impressive as you think as of the 4 teams they are the 2 worst teams on split

Is it confirmed fnatic are facing eg because out of all the 4 teams that’s probably the worst opponent for eg to face as they have not shown any new strats since lock-in and that’s frightening because they’ve been saving strats since then.1st is the worst possible draw as you don’t know what they will do and how they will approach any map with any certainty and eg have gotten this far in large part thanks to anti strating how do you anti strat a team which has given away almost no information and to try and face fnatic in just terms of mechanics and fundamentals is suicide only loud an prx have any chance of matching them in those things eg really have been given the worst possible opening match in playoffs that they could of gotten

Wait until fnatic actually strat trying now and use all their strats they’ve been saving up since lock-in both nrg and eg are anti strat teams but fnatic have shown them nothing and as long as fnatic are actually playing to their normal level and no one gets sick unlike the vct emea finals at least in the 1st round of playoffs they will not beta fnatic as they can’t anti strat them at least effectively and individually fnatic is the best in the world and neither nrg or eg can beat fnatic in straight up gun fights the only 2 teams that can even challenge them in that factor is loud and prx so no worries wait until playoffs liquid won’t have to play either of them if they win at least until the 2nd game of playoffs anyway and they won’t beat fnatic as long as liquid are playing in peak form they will at least put up a fight against the na teams and I would even favour them ahead of eg nrg I’m not sure who would be favourite though so no worries wait until fnatic and liquid take the stage that’s where emea starts to fight back and if navi start putting their players on the roles they are best at and stop changing comps so much they should also be a lot better and most likely make it to playoffs and will put up a much better fight against nrg next time

If we are talking about later on in playoffs I would agree but given the individual talent if fnatic and the fact that until they play a series they can’t be anti strated or at least bit very well if it’s the 1st round of playoffs i don’t think nrg or eg really will do well against fnatic the team that individually is player by player is the best in the world and has hidden their strats and themselves the deepest the main strengths of eg and nrg is anti strating against an opponent that is individually better a team that is known to create metas even as early as 2020 and creates unique and great strategies having no information to be able to anti strat them I feel like nrg and eg won’t be able to do that well later on in the tournament I feel like it will be a lot closer but 1st round could be a cruel time for either nrg or eg

Which in my opinion is probably worst case scenario for both teams as fnatic have been running the same strats from lock-in saving their strats for the entire vct emea league and playoffs while nrg and eg are heavy anti strating teams in terms of individual skill fnatic is the best in the world and no one can deny that and considering eg and nrg won’t be able to anti strat fnatic as no one knows what fnatic is yet they’ve managed to hide everything it’s probably the worst draw for those 2 teams as they are essentially going in blind when their greatest strengths is anti strating everyone is hyping up na but that game could be a lot more brutal than people expect

Imagine you work hard finish 1st in your group and you get a harder 1st match in playoffs then the team who finishes 2nd that’s pretty much what might happen as 1 of the teams who topped their group will I’m guessing have to play fnatic it seems cruel especially if the 2nd place team in your group doesn’t face loud

Alfajer was by far the best player in that final sayf got 16 less kills than alfajer Leo while having an off day got 2 more kills than sayf, derke while having an off day got only 5 less kills than sayf and had more first kills meanwhile sayf was playing at his best level

I mean if they add mako then they would have firepower a little less than fnatic as fnatic has 4 players on mako’s level of fire power prx do not have the most firepower fnatic went on a 11 series win streak in emea the league which in terms of pure individual fire power and bullied them using hardly any new strats and just simply outaimed them and it took 3 players having an off day l1 more player being sick and all of liquid’s players playing like they were back in their prime to barely beat fnatic after playing for the 3rd time against them prx have the 2nd most firepower in the world though

You mean how the only 2 tournaments na 1 was the 1st 1 which is the 2nd worst tournament as the skill level was far below all the other events that have come after it and the worst event where all 3 of emea top teams couldn’t be there as m3c barely got beat by fnatic and lost to a g2 taht was playing the best they ever had and managed to fluke their way to masters when m3c should’ve gone instead then fnatic went but had to play with 2 subs and 1 of their players that couldn’t play was their best player at the time by far derke while fpx couldn’t attend the event at all and they were the best emea team you talk about fluke it’s na that has had the biggest fluke wins the worst 2 tournaments were the ones you won the 1st 1 where nobody k ew how to properly play yet and the 1 where literally the 3 best teams if the dominant region at the time either couldn’t make it or had players that couldn’t play due to issues outside their control the irony of na fans galling about fluke wins when na has only won the worst tournaments where the quality is the worst out of all tournaments

Yeah but they are going to lose to navi the only team that na teams can beat us the worst of the 4 emea teams once eg play 1 of the top 3 they will lose and nrg won’t beat fnatic even if they beat navi and liquid they aren’t beating a fnatic taht is serious as only fns and maybe crashies can keep up with fnatic som maybe and the other 2 are way too inconsistent and the players they would be matched up against are arguably the 2 most consistent players in their positions and nrg won’t be lucky enough to catch a fnatic having an off day as they already had 1 against liquid when chronicle was sick, Leo and derke 2 if the most consistent players in the world were having off days and boaster was having 1 of those games he has every season where he kept overthinking and was also having an off day with only alfajer playing normally nrg will not beat fnatic and I’m not even sure they beat navi or liquid

I think they struggle especially against navi out of those 2 as nrg are very strat and anti-strat heavy but navi are prx levels of insanity you can’t even predict what comps they will use or even what maps they’ll ban or pick most of the time they are 1 of the 2 teams that really be anti-strated especially considering they were using troll comps the whole way through the emea season they are pretty much the worst team alongside prx for nrg to play as those 2 teams naturally counter their play style it’s why they lost at coppenhagen they aren’t good at dealing with the sorts of teams like navi or prx

Yes but he doesn’t have to compete with derke or aspas or even sayf or leaf pacific has by far the weakest duels it’s out of the 3 regions even sayaplayer is only on the skew level as cned and ardiis which isn’t bad because they are fantastic players but at best 3rd best maybe even lower than 3rd best in their region also people are overhyping something way too much because of that final his stats actually show you he wasn’t as dominant as everyone is making him out to be he finished with around the same acs as alfajer and he had to compete with monsters named derke who got over 260 acs I think he has about 265 or something around 35 or something like that more than something and chronicle who despite having a horrible final lowering pretty much almost all his stats massively he still finished on about 222 or something around there while Leo the player with the 4th highest acs on fnatic had 199 I think almost 200 and while something had competition for kills and stuff as well it wasn’t to the absurd level of fnatic and derke still out did everyone globally and I think he had over 10 maybe 15 acs higher than 2nd place so something’s domination is overhyped he dominated the final but he didn’t dominate the rest of vct pacific

Sorry it was so long I wanted to make it short but couldn’t something is a fantastic player don’t get me wrong but you can’t really judge him as better when only drx is in pacific that can challenge them maybe some other teams on good days but fut has fnatic, navi and team liquid while evil geniuses have loud, nrg and cloud 9 he hasn’t really been tested yet against the best duelists in the world once he plays fnatic, loud or even team liquid, navi or nrg then we can get a proper evaluation on how good he is

That’s a lie and you know it he’s not on the same level as Leo he’s top 3 maybe top 2 but not close to the best Leo is just better in everything that you want a initiator to be good at

Once again team liquid fans bringing down the collective iq of emea the only reason liquid beat fantuc was because 4 out of 5 players were having off days with 1 even being sick otherwise just like the 2 other times you would of got obliterated as despite fact you still almost lost to fnatic playing the worset they have all season long
Plus are you really this much in denial or just stupid you are so arrogant liquid will get knocked out far before fnatic while you were exposing new comps new strats all emea season fnatic have been saving their strats the reason why they haven’t changed anything is because they didn’t need to change anything and unlike liquid they actually have a chance at winning masters tokyo so instead of going all out to win a pretty pointless match they still continued to save their strats as team liquid are not worth enough for fnatic to take so seriously that they need to expose strats as they don’t care taht much about the emea trophy as to them only the tokyo playoffs spots are the thing that is important from playoffs while liquid went all out for a not very important trophy because they know it is the only 1 they have any chance of winning wait until masters tokyo begins and fnatic start using their strats they have saved up and actually do well while liquid gets completely humbled in masters tokyo and their emea win gets exposed as them only being able to win it because fnatic were saving strats and 4 out of 5 if their players were having off days while all of liquids players were in top form and they still lost a map to fnatic and had 2 more close maps as well it’s not fnatic getting exposed at masters tokyo it’s liquid and this arrogance that you liquid fans seem to have gotten from a almost pointless match will get squashed while you watch fnatic and navi once again carry emea

The irony of you calling fnatic fans annoying while denying the fact that fantuc did WIN the last international tournament and disregarding it just because it’s single elimination when EVERY sport plays Sibelius elimination because it’s a better format even cs plays single elimination the fact is winning a single elimination tournament is harder than double elimination because you can’t lose and still have a chance to win a tournament that lets a team win and if that team loses beats the tens that made it to the grand final without losing it means both teams have lost the same amount of games but the team that lost 1st gets to win being from Brazil I expect you to understand this as you are country that loves sports and competition but clearly I was expecting to much I forgot people form Brazil will disregard anything not from Brazil and even deny winners or tournament champions just so they can still have their team being the champions still June their not the hypocrisy that Brazilians have is only matched by americas

He’s no where near the best stop overrating him derke and aspas clears him derke while having an off day in the grand finals and sayf playing at his peak level and sayf got less first kills than derke and only 4 or 5 more kills than derke despite everyone on fnatic except alfajer having an off day and chronicle being sick plus just look at the stats ignore the ratings derke has by far the highest stats in almost every category you would want from a duelist and he has to compete with alfajer, chronicle and Leo to get kills which makes his numbers even more impressive while sayf only really has nats who gets less kills than those 3 normally and occasionally jampii he isn’t even in the same tier as derke and aspas yet in the future he might but not yet people are overrating him just because of rating without comparing him to derke in stats like acs and just because he carried liquid doesn’t mean he’s the best and that isn’t even true in the 1st 4 weeks maybe 3 he was carrying them but after that he has games he does great and games he does pretty good but it’s been a long time since he was carrying them

That’s not what I meant I mean when competing with the best teams you know the 4 teams currently in playoffs, drx, navi and nrg when they all are being fully serious have stopped messing around and are genuinely playing fully serious I don’t believe they can compete as loud has destroyed them map 3 both times plus this is not like playoffs vct americas where eg has faced all the teams before therefore they already have a lot of information needed for anti strating teams they don’t know who they will be playing in the playoffs if they make it and its really confusing they won’t have a lot of days to prep for each match or do it in advance like they did for vct americas playoffs as almost half teams haven’t been showing their true selves in the vct leagues the chineses teams are unpredictable the americas leagues teams are the most predictable they are too he heavy on stuff like structure to a point it makes them very predictable as can be seen by loud on both map 3’s against eg less just decided to do what he wants he just beat them with pure individual skill and pretty much all the top teams have at least 1 player who can do that if they really felt like it fnatic has 4 of them all unpredictable and also they haven’t shown anything new since lock-in apart from a split comp, their new bind comp, an Odin on lotus and a couple other small things eg will get obliterated by fnatic it won’t even be close as fnatic haven’t shown anything that eg can use to anti strat them and individually fnatic are worlds ahead whereas I still feel like navi, drx and nrg can still put up a fight and make fantuc work for a victory I don’t think eg are a top 6 team as prx are pretty much their worst nightmare and I feel like team liquid a better as well

Sorry for making it so long I tried to make it as short as possible but it kept going on and on

I know a lot of people have been rating eg with demon1 highly but I don’t even think he’s a top 5 duelist in the world plus eg rely on prep and anti strat but the teams outside americas are a lot more unpredictable and harder to anti strat plus now that loud will be fully serious they will start to become unpredictable as well and so will nrg with the fnatic, navi and drx showing not that much plus prx being prx I feel like eg won’t be as good even with demon1 as they no longer have the surprise factor and the top teams will start actually being serious and stop trolling eg won’t have as much time to anti strat as they did in americas

So will eg even with demon1 even be a top6 contender for masters tokyo?

They were plying there best against fnatic and navi don’t make them out to be better tan they are in fact it was fantuc and navi taht weren’t playing at their normal levels navi was trolling against team liquid while liquid was playing the best they had played all year like all their players were back in their prime while fnatic were saving strats since both teams qualified directly to playoffs anyway and fnatic had been saving strats the entire time so why expose them when theirs no need to with tokyo coming soon chronicle was sick so he was in his worst form of his career derke, Leo and boaster were having off days only alfajer was playing at his normal level and it was still a close series 13-11 14-12 13-6 and 13-11 despite liquid playing the best they all seasons and fnatic playing their worst all season they were playing even worse than they had been playing against bbl when they were still playing with a sub and the fnatic liquid game was still close liquid facing a fully strength fnatic who are no longer saving strats don’t stand a chance they are the 3rd best team in emea navi managed to make it to tokyo while trolling the whole way through the season both the split and playoffs while fnatic managed to get to the grand final and only lose 1 game all emea season long and only 5 maps despite showing almost nothing new since lock-in when those 2 are fully serious liquid can’t beat either of them and if you think they can you are very naive