Also I would wait until the fnatic vs eg game to see if eg are genuinely on fnatics level or not as 3 of the 4 teams left all came from fnatics side of the bracket nrg beat liquid and prx beat edg.
while loud genuinely and I’m not kidding looked worse than drx as drx at least put up a fight on a map vs nrg and both maps vs prx and edg destroyed loud but lost to prx also drx was probably the 7th best team in playoffs.
fut lost to them as well so whether eg actually are on the same level is questionable as all the teams fnatic destroyed have not lost a game since and all the teams that eg have played have lost since they played them.
so whether eg are on fnatics level or fnatic are in a league of their own is still a question mark imo.

This is delusional it’s a known fact that in terms of pure individual talent emea is superior to the other regions it’s just that because they are so good a lot of their players have big egos so it creates internal problems while na has less talent so they have smaller egos look at fnatic they literally have potentially the 4 best players in the world but it works because derke is not arrogant and neither is Leo or chronicle tbh only alfajer is but he has shown with his results that he has a right to be arrogant and boaster, mini and the rest of the fnatic staff including their 6th is very well grounded to reality so if any of the players get to arrogant they bring them back down to reality

Shortened version eu players have too big egos because individually they are better na has smaller egos fnatic has a team that can keep their egos in check

But so far 2 igls got absolutely diffed from America by boaster both fns and stellar while redgar 3-0ed envy who were the same as the optic core and guild with koldementa as the igl beat optic 2-0 and boaster didn’t just diff them he absolutely mentally crushed them look at what nrg was doing towards the end of bind they couldn’t think straight and 100thieves didn’t qualify because baoater mentally broke them they went from being great in scrappy situations and winning every close map to losing 2 close maps to sentinels and 1 to cloud9 before they became the cloud9 we know them as you can’t say america has better igls when fns who I know is Canadian but you Americas act like he is American is your best igl, your second best igl is marved who is also Canadian Canada has great igls while other than maybe runi, boostio and maybe ayrin all the American igls get diffed by most of the top eu igls

Mini clears all of Americas coaches he’s been consistently affecting the meta since 2020 I think no one else even comes close

He’s being sarcastic

Tbf fut did almost ruin eg’s flawless map run to the upper finals and only didn’t because boostio had the map of his life

Yeah we are gonna be coping when fnatic win without dropping a map and at least 1 fnatic player breaks tenz record of highest rating at an international event literally taking away very thing that na has left to cling onto

Is everyone forgetting they were playing fnatic last time the literal best team in the world on either their best map or their 2nd best map in the current map pool and people are acting like edg’s lotus is on the same level as fnatics

Can you all finally accept that fnatics bracket was harder than eg nrg is better than liquid, drx played better than loud they actually took 11 rounds off of nrg on pearl and 10 on both maps against prx and prx are going toe to toe with edg

I’ve heard they did the same thing with breeze last year or was that misinformation

Actually mini has confirmed it multiple times they have it prepared they just simply don’t know when they should show it while other teams are struggling with improving all their maps fnatic have no idea when they should show 1 of theirs sliggy even confirmed it as mini told him just because they haven’t played it doesn’t mean they don’t know how to they simply haven’t been forced to show it

My point is valid while yours makes no sense you are acting like fnatic and eg are the same 1 has got the beta players in roles and the best coaching staff in the world while the other eg has not got the player quality to match up to fnatic other than demon1

Would you rather nrg destroy liquid or liquid win
In my personal opinion it would be better for eg if liquid won as if nrg have the same results as eg against the team ms they both played it doesn’t look good for eg when they play against fnatic

And that’s why your region is a joke because it’s not an eu cope thread and that’s why emea clears Americas at least we can read

Yeah I’m pretty sure you could make just a compilation of fnatic on lotus and it would rival if not surpass most teams compilations if you were to take clips and rounds from every map they always have ridiculous clutches or 3ks or 4ks it just always happens and there is nothing anybody can do about it

They are clutch gods that’s who who needs strategies when you have an odin, derke, chronicle, alfajer, leo and boaster also for some reason chronicle becomes a literal god when on lotus he has used the op and odin as well as every other gun and still just owns everyone

They won’t be able to gain an advantage against fnatic though as they quite literally can’t troll a veto if they wanted to because sliggy already confirmed from mini they have pearl prepared they just don’t need it at the moment they can’t troll a map veto as they have no bad maps they can play any map against any team and eg will be forced to play either lotus or bind against fnatic and they have no choice they won’t gain any advantage in the map veto against fnatic as you can’t gain a map veto advantage on a team that doesn’t care what map they are playing against any team

I wouldn’t say this before she faces fnatic they mentally broke nrg and outaimed prx 2 things which is a rarity

I wouldn’t say this before she faces fnatic they mentally broke nrg and outaimed prx 2 things which is a rarity they are literally just challenging the best teams in the world in their greatest strengths and beating them literally at their own game

This matchup is not good for Americas as if liquid wins it shows that emea is better or at least on par with Americas but if nrg destroy liquid it makes eg look less impressive and means they have even less of a chance of beating fnatic.
As nrg who got destroyed by fnatic had the same results against the teams that eg played it looks especially bad if nrg destroy liquid and prx beat edg because it will show that fnatics side of the bracket was harder and nrg are most likely on the and same level as eg if this result happens
So Americas fans what result would actually be better for you liquid winning so it shows eg has although small a chance of beating fnatic or nrg destroying liquid to prove that Americas is better apart from fnatic but this scenario would also eg will not have any chance of beating fnatic a truly tricky dilema

Wait until tonight either way the Americas region loses no matter the result of the nrg vs liquid game as if nrg destroy liquid it shows that what eg did is not that impressive and if edg also loses it puts the Americas in a really bad spot as it means all the team ms that eg beat just got destroyed by either another team and that team lost or just straight up they got destroyed by another team it also will show that the other bracket was actually harder and if nrg can get the same results against the teams eg played that is not good for eg as fnatic destroyed nrg.
nrg destroying liquid is a worst case scenario for Americas

Fnatic plays omen only on split and ascent though maps they hardly play

Yes fnatic is the most innovative team they were caving the meta literally since before Loud made a valorant team I think as didn’t they make 1 in 2022 or late 2021

Have you forgotten that 1 of if not the most flexible player in valorant history is on their team i wouldn’t be surprised if chronicle can play harbor really well as well so if they wanted to play pearl with harbor they probably could

I don’t think so I still think this fnatic team has better aim as alfajer ha ms better aim than prime nats potentially the best aim in valorant history tbh, chronicle matches chronicle probably, boaster matches redgar, derke has better aim than deffo and Leo has better aim I would say than sheydoa that team is the closest but I still think in terms of raw aim only chronicle and nats is able to keep up with fnatic and boaster=redgar

And what happens if they get beaten by fnatic on fracture what will you say then

Did you watch that game and are you seriously gonna tell me that the fnatic that played liquid is the fnatic that destroyed nrg and prx.
There’s your answer if you can’t see that and you want to continue with that copium then go ahead

But edg destroyed loud as well and what will you say if prx destroy edg and nrg destroy liquid it will mean that the other bracket was way harder and eg had the easy bracket.
And then you will be against the team that dominated the harder bracket with ease don’t get to cocky if liquid and edg play it close or win against nrg and prx then you can be cocky but what until that result 1st

The problem is they are saying it against fnatic they are 1 of the best fracture teams in the world and they are in top form as well it is arrogant with that context.
you don’t see fnatic going around saying they have the best lotus and bind so teams should ban those maps.
that’s the difference they are confident on the maps but the only map they will say that for is icebox as everyone acknowledged fnatic as the greatest the kings of icebox’s but eg are acting like they are the kings of fracture.
you don’t get a title like taht unless you consistently win it for much longer than eg has been winning fracture

Yeah you almost lost to fut on lotus which fnatic won 13-5 the 1st time and 13-1 the 2nd time when they played fut on that map so it’s probably a smart choice

To bring out against fnatic is suicide they won 13-4 against nrg and then was up 12-3 against prx sure it ended 13-7 but they were still winning 12-3 but I guess it’s practically like picking your poison so you want to play lotus or bind against fnatic

The only team that has any chance at beating them if we are being serious is
Mako
Less
Aspas
Crashies
Prime redgar

Meanwhile na is carried by emea their 3 best teams all have emea in them quepert or however you spell his name for cloud9, ardiis for nrg and demon1 for eg what’s your point plus sentinels manager or whatever it is I think or 100thieves is eu as well 4 out of 5 of the na teams are carried by eu

Did you not see the 1st few rounds of lotus he almost single-handedly gave fnatic that great start which gave fnatic all the momentum

I have feeling we haven’t even seen the true fnatic as yes just like eg they have dominated all their games but eg at least look like they are trying hard and doing everything they can too win.
while fnatic have beaten 2 of the best teams in the world while making it look easy they mentally broke nrg which is something many thought wasn’t possible and they outaimed prx easily as well it was 12-0 and 12-3 in the 2 games.
sure they ended 13-5 and 13-7 but that was only because fnatic got too relaxed which allowed prx to find a few gaps and win a few rounds.
they haven’t been pushed hopefully eg can at least push fnatic because if they can’t this fnatic team might be better than anybody thinks even with the amount of praise people give them

It’s because alfajer has the qualifications to say that as he has proven himself time and time again meanwhile this is eg’s 1st tournament they are playing at this level even in Americas they barely qualified then sure they beat nrg and c9 but they the lost to loud with map 3 being a stomp and they lost 3-1 to nrg and yes sure you could say eg destroyed liquid and fnatic lost to them on fracture 13-11 but fnatic were playing so bad in that final the fact it was still 13-11 with how bad fnatic were playing tells you something especially when you consider how good they are currently playing plus other than icebox and bind before this year fracture was their 2nd best map so eg are getting quite arrogant acting like they are invincible on fracture

eg’s coaching staff is not better than fnatic they have been changing the meta since 2020 if I remember correctly and they’ve created so many different metas from comps to strategies even to economy just because potter finally found success after so long doesn’t mean she is better than mini the coach which has most likely affected the valorant the most in history when fnatic cook the whole world watches as the teams in the other regions like to copy fnatic as their strats and comps and are usually the best

They got battered in that map 13-5 and 13-1 by fnatic and even liquid beat them in playoffs on lotus

And what makes you think that fnatic will beat eg on all maps and they will only get 1 of those maps anyway so even if they do win that map they will lose the 2 others anyway fnatic are not a team that has to rely on fracture or haven their lotus, bind and even split at the moment is better than those 2 maps

It’s all the more amusing every time
they win eg so far has only faced fut who lost to drx who were playing awfully this tournament, drx who were playing awfully and they played against eg with foxy9 who in my opinion needs more experience, then they played loud and destroyed them but edg also destroyed them so that result is a question mark then they played liquid who barely beat edg but we still don’t know how good edg are so that is a question mark as well
Meanwhile fnatic crushed nrg who everytime they play eg it’s close apart from the 1st game where nrg crushed eg, then nrg destroyed drx in the same way that eg did and then they effortlessly destroyed prx as well who even without something beat drx and both nrg and prx faced a drx with the more stable and consistent zest who is also more experienced other than the inexperienced and inconsistent foxy9

Just wait until fnatic reveal pearl the whole world will be shocked when they bring out their 5 duelist comp and destroy everyone going on the longest map winning streak on pearl tan any other team has done on any other map

They might be able to beat team liquid but they won’t beat fnatic now that they are serious and warmed up from the nrg game plus they might struggle with prx as they have a unique and difficult to deal with style

Are you high even prx with something weren’t favourites the definitely aren’t favourites with cgrs fnatic has been and still are the favourites prx are top 4 but they were never top 1 favourite

Fnatic are the favourites they always have been eg aren’t beating fnatic even if they beat liquid

Are you forgetting about fnatic they are literally the best aimers in the world who also happen to be 1 of the greatest at strategy and anti strating as well

Yes but also they are different games for cs if you don’t qualify it’s fine there’s not that much pressure as there are so many tournaments but in valorant there is 3 a year so every team is fighting desperately like their life depends on it as don’t forget the league want only deciding who gets to go to masters but also champions as well
Plus this is the 1st year and season of franchising there is a lot more media things such as more photo shoots and interviews they are not used to it so it could be burn out as this is the 1st year they doing it so it might be that it is taking some teams longer to adjust than others
Also in valorant you don’t only have to think about where your opponent is gonna throw a flash or smoke how they are gonna play a map. You also have to think about what comp your opponent is gonna use how they are gonna use the specific util of the comp they are using which is different for every agent while also thinking about how their opponent is gonna play the map such as how they are going to set up and stuff like that. They are 2 games that are similar yet very different and in terms of the mental aspect valorant is more draining as there is more to think about as agents and the ever changing meta means if you want to stay at the top you can’t stop thinking for even a second

Just ignore him I think he’s talking about the 2022 1 as well which actually makes the statement more stupid as gambit as an org disbanded and a lot of the staff couldn’t or didn’t follow the gambit members to m3c, derke fnatics star player and another player on fnatic couldn’t play they were playing with 2 subs and fpx couldn’t attend at all he’s clearly a loud fan who thinks international tournaments only matter if loud are making it far guarantee you thinks coppenhagen is even worse than this one as loud got knocked out even earlier

Yeah they have to beat fnatic a team with at least top 3 in every role in the world, the team with the best fundamentals and mechanics we have probably ever seen their aim is ridiculous and their util and their igl is the player with the best 1v1 record in all of franchising in any of the 3 leagues.
plus what eg are doing trying unique comps and ideas fnatic are the kings of that. the amount of metas they have set that are used worldwide is frightening and they have been doing it consistently since either early 2021 or even 2020.
so even in terms of coaches and strategies they don’t hold any advantage fnatic is pretty much the worst opponent they could face.

Well sentinels at lock-in did get the same amount of rounds against fnatic as nrg both times it was in the 1st round as well of playoffs if you can call lock-in playoffs
So what does this all mean

Honestly if fnatic switches their bind comp I want chronicle to stay on viper as a semi-sentinel, derke on jett, alfajer in raze, boaster stays on brimstone and Leo stays on Skye I feel like with how good each fnatic player is on each agent it would be broken