jawgemo is cambodian so we already had a trophy, 2 in a row from different teams is crazy though

they're not gonna scrim with a team that hasn't signed them ffs, I know the average age on this website is like 14 but come the fuck on

dude this is massive cope, how tf would a team have a player who isn't even sure he can join the team scrim with them? They're not signed and they're not gonna do it for free. Idk why you're so committed to denying basic facts, sen won fair and square, all I'm saying is the idea that all the other teams were simply too lazy to work in the offseason is wrong

the teams weren't even sure they could get them until late december how tf could they scrim with them?

for fnc sure but the americas teams who got eg players literally couldn't because of the contract jail

you'll never be goatz

we're literally talking about the frag record dumbass

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harder to get frags on? Mindfreak no question

difference is those guys play duelist, at least on some maps

what was your thought last year after eg beat prx 3-1?

I mean you deserve a huge advantage for winning through uppers, usually in games that don't take 4 hours for a bo5 the team from lowers straight up has to win twice. My issue with double map ban is that how good it is really depends on how much the top 2 teams' map pools overlap, look at how effective it was in tokyo vs champs for example

this is the list

this is just an attempt to bait eu surely

I'm convinced sen fans live in a different world than normal people do

unironically geng players choking because of the pressure

the korean hating community isn't relevant to this conversation

do val fans know what choking means?

davai most underrated for me, him and f0rsaken are the lifeblood of prx imo

sen, geng isn't even a team with a lot of fans or anything so the haters can still shit on prx and drx fans

because they lose some blowout maps and win some really close ones. Look at their loud game at champs for example, win a 13-10 and an ot map and lose a 13-2 on split. Same with grand finals losing 13-5 on bind, shit like that tends to lower ratings a lot

map pool diff alone should mean geng have it in the bag but the players can always choke, it's a lot of pressure for them since they have a lot to prove for their region as well

just have f0rsaken raze and have something play gekko op on every map like boostio

nah boostio just had a stinker in upper finals, also mindfreak life game on pearl

funny you mention lev because they, along with every team which picked up eg players, got way less time in the offseason because of the contract jail situation

not a rookie

none of those are objective facts but I agree that this tournament is very low level

op is literally saying this geng beats champs prx dude, you’re agreeing with me

what? Their pearl and bind were goated (trolled bind in grand finals though), ascent, fracture and lotus were world class too and split was ok with haven as permaban. Compare that to a team like sen in madrid who have a really solid split and lotus, ok sunset and icebox and dogshit everything else

yes they pick first too. In my opinion this gf is a 3-0 or 3-1 for geng regardless of who makes it up there, sen and prx’s map pools are too inconsistent. Teams that win from lower bracket historically had really solid map pools so the double ban didn’t matter that much but in this event geng is the only team with more than 3 or 4 good maps

no it’s always been double map ban for the team in uppers

sen can’t ban anything if they beat prx, geng get both bans

not hard to pick apart a 4 map pool after having weeks worth of vods, none of these teams sniff top 3 at champs last year

your eyes don’t work

SEN 3-2 PRX
GENG 3-1 SEN

I mean those teams also have their own issues so no, by shanghai the story might be different though. I just think doing a masters right at the start of the season with no round robin for teams to fix their problems is stupid, the level of play is so much lower like this

internationally I don’t think so but they won pacific grand finals last year

eg upper finals vs prx was actually close though

fully deserved, only team at this event with more than 4 good maps

it’s kinda crazy how a team so allergic to any map where they can’t play raze is top 3 at an international lan, says a lot about this tournament

unironically true and real, both matches today were very low level

downplaying the event because your fav team lost or couldn’t qualify is stupid, downplaying this event after watching it is the logical thing to do

my point isn’t that they’d win madrid, it’s that nrg are already almost at the level of sen despite only having a fraction of the time together because of eg’s fuckery while sen had the whole offseason, thinking they can’t overtake them later in the year is retarded. No clue wtf is wrong with fnc though

edit: also kc did have the majority of the offseason, this roster was together since at least october

I agree, they couldn’t win madrid with a month of prac, they’d look like how prx does. By shanghai they’ll be better than sen though unless they refuse to practice

garbage igl and coach almost 2-0d the current tournament favourites with 1/5th of the time together lmao

yes i’m watching, it’s low level valorant decided at the map veto because these teams (except maybe geng) have a 4 map pool at best

rito wants you to forget what high level valorant looks like so people actually take the ‘kickoff’ events seriously

you can tell loud and prx especially had to change up their comps last minute after they got exposed and have very spotty map pools as a result, this is why I feel like this is overall the lowest level event maybe ever. Most of these teams don’t even have a 5 map pool yet for fuck’s sake. Rito needs to put a full round robin split before masters 1 imo

fnc beat vit with a sub and got 2-0d by a team that got grouped at masters, this isn't a goat debate it's about right now this year

geng is fun to watch, they got some aimers