I think f0rsaken's mechanics are better enough for him to win. f0rsaken has proved many times that his aim is still very strong, while most IGLs normally don't.

Take f0rsaken vs johnqt. Despite PRX losing 3-1, and two maps being blowouts for the most part, f0rsaken only had four less kills then johnqt.

https://www.vlr.gg/312781/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-lbf

f0rsaken easy W :)

unless it has to be a true IGL, then we're fucked

i know we say this every tournament but champs is ours :)

we have learned from our shitshow at shanghai

we have a new analyst, alecks is not alone anymore

we will get this trophy finally <3

alternate title: shoving together a bunch of world champs and throwing them on one team(+victor)

yes unless khalil pulls out another life game

VERY clean shot

I think G2 is possible as well, but they'd need to play really well

No proof he can do that currently, so it doesn't apply

sure, when he was playing for prime gambit he counts as a true flex, but not right now. The only reason he's on these different agents is because they're trying to make the new guy comfy. Normally, he would not count as a flex. Sure, you can argue best peak flex, but he isn't a flex right now and is only playing different agents because of the team member swap

True, but there is no real other way of comparing. Who knows, maybe f0rsaken would still be this good if he continued to play duelist.

yeah, I understand he's not a true IGL, which is why i said "He's an IGL, alebit not the true sense of an IGL."

Any proof on that "better mastery" part?

wdym "despite chronicle being forced onto the initator role"? being forced onto initiator means he now plays agents like Sova and Skye, which he never did before(from the couple of matches I checked during Champs 2023 and Tokyo)

Also, this data is biased af as FNC now have a sub, meaning they are changing around their comps for him. During Tokyo and Champs 2023, chronicle basically only played Viper, Kayo, and Breach. That is not a flex, that is a Viper + flash init player.

I've always said f0rsaken is a better flex(can play more agents) and has a small IGL role but chronicle has a trophy and has better performances.

take your pick basically

I get it, I'm not saying he should be the goat. I just don't get why people don't at least put him in the convo. The ONE thing he doesn't have compared to most other goat contenders is a trophy, and I understand he should not be the goat because of that.

I just don't understand why people downplay everything else JUST because he doesn't have a trophy.

edit: here are Aspas's stats of all time on Raze and Jett:

Rating ACS K:D ADR KAST KPR
Jett: 1.25 250.2 1.44 158.4 75% 0.91
raze: 1.19 251.2 1.27 166.9 76% 0.88

Now f0rsaken's stats on these agents:

Jett: 1.21 276.8 1.33 170.5 74% 0.96
Raze: 1.10 262.2 1.20 167.7 75% 0.88

These are decently similar. Whe f0rsaken is put up against argubally the goat, on the same agents, they have decently similar stats. His performance is pretty similar to the goat. He can play on any agent. He's an IGL, alebit not the true sense of an IGL. I don't get why people don't put him in the convo at minimum.

wdym not the consistency of aspas? He may not be top fragging like crazy, but he's a flex and should'nt be expected to. But he's always been performing well and I can't name a section of matches where he didn't play at least solidly.

his mechanics are still easily top 10% in valorant

no achievements is the only thing holding him back

Easily at least Top 10 imo, and top 5 is still perfectly reasonable.

I agree he doesn't have a trophy, and can't be put higher becase of that, but that doesn't mean he isn''t in the convo.

achievements dont equal to whether a player is good or not

sure that's the main thing holding him back from true GOAT status but that doesn't mean he can't be in the convo

give me a reason why?

he's been consistently a very good player ever since PRX entered the internation scene, can flex onto literally every agent, and is PRX's IGL(at least as close to one as they have)

tenz no, he was pretty bad, mid at best, during 2022 and 2023

how is vanity on this list?

imo it's Aspas, with f0rsaken and chronicle in the convo(f0rsaken better flex, chronicle better performance)

I think G2 should be here imo

fraud + no skill

ngl i love it

it's fucking adorable

https://www.vlr.gg/post/3568213/victor-and-crashies

I think it's that most IGLs focus on calling more, and don't pay as much attention in getting in the right position to take fights and whatnot

also having bad aim and IGLing is allowed

because i have adhd and can't stand slow defaults

chet has decided for ethan to be primary duelist now and he will now play be playing raze

my guess is that deadlock is really good for shutting down retakes, the wall on a for CT can be really strong

but honestly that's not good enough imo to play her over kj/cypher

raze player is prob best imo, demon1 was mid on raze

+jawg would be dope if they could

lmao

that happened a while ago, what delay r u on?

I have no idea what they're doing on defense, but on attack, their idea is just exec A(yoru + fade + omen is very strong for exec), and then you can't retake past deadlock's stuff

this is my guess for their strat, but it's kinda dumb imo

wdym "even"?

LMAO 3/14 THAT'S CRAZY

LMAOOO

I still think G2 will make a big run at champs, they play really well but can't adapt

Give them time to cook

me <3

I think it's they play basically like an NPC but on it's hardest mode

very good textbook valorant, but an NPC can't change thier code mid game, and G2 suck at adapting on the fly

so....

we're just going to ignore ethan could've sticked that?

also the nerf was like a year ago

from what I can see, all they do is just play very well structured textbook valorant. poke and prod, double swing angles, leave a lurk, etc...

it's literally just going against an NPC but the NPC is on expert mode

This is the entire point of Iso now. Very strong, and you can snowball really hard, but you need very good timing.

Basically high risk and high reward.

I was just curious why, no need to get all over me

0/8, come up with something new

then why write NA first and then just write amer, which includes NA and SA?

ik that but

then why bother saying NA?

NA and Amer fans?

tf?

again, not even considering an op might be there, just no respect at all...

They are just not respecting LOUD at all and not using their util. artizin is peeking off his own KJ turret, with nothing to support, whether util or teammates

They do seem decent at team fighting tho

wow, that's crazy

I guess I see what you mean, but I still think have a lot of prep time is much more important in valorant

proof? I didn't know about that

but also, CS and Val are different games, Val has a lot more prep, as coordinating util is much more important

And what about a team like Gen.G? They have been playing basically once a week minimum for a couple of months now, excluding a break here and there.

Even if a team is dogshit and only plays the 44 matches the OP says they will play, If the breaks add up to 2 months(8 weeks), then the team is playing ONE MATCH PER WEEK for 10 MONTHS. But this is an average, we aren't accounting for time spend on LANs and playoffs. Assuming these add up to two months as well, then that is 44/32 = 1.375 matches per week, which is just crazy. And you're keeping up that pace for 8 months.

also, I'd say four months in total is generous, I would've said 3 months each for breaks and Lans/Playoffs for a total of 6 months, meaning it's 44/24, = 1.8333..., which is basicaly two matches per weel

Not really. I think the current format is fine, I would just like to see fewer "lose one match and you're out" formats. I agree with making the offseason shorter, but having this many matches is just unfeasable and would burn out players.