You see I was gonna say idk about Korea but with Indonesia at least we definitetly do not have enough players for a real super team unless you want to poach forsaken (and arguably mindfreak) and if you count jingg as indonesian, cause those names you mentioned are so mid if pit against strong teams like famouz, berserx, and Kush. Shiro is great but hes only started becoming really good very recently. Back on Onic I remember the dude used to be mid asf

I mean the format was unforgiving, FNC didnt have enough practice going in and got caught off on a bad day where they kept whiffing shots. Theyll be on top of the world again by Shanghai

yet they both couldnt carry as hard as he did?

where was he in the gf?

the fact that texture couldnt activate like zekken did during the GF already takes him off of the number 1 spot. I think the only people that can challenge it arent even internationally competing rn cause i wouldnt put miniBoo, marteen, or the newer talent in contention.

It really aint as bad as yall make it seem. APAC is a very loosely defined "region" its EMEA but even worse where the countries are so isolated from each other and so far apart that languages, culture, economy, and stuff of the like dont really overlap. The reason APAC hasnt succeeded is because they cant create super teams like every other region can and are forced to create teams within their individual countries and so the level of talent and prospects just arent the same as EMEA SA or the juggernaut of NA.
The fact theyve made this many finals should be a celebrated thing on its own. Think about middle eastern, african, South Asian, and other countries that have done nothing in valorant, some of which have more access to esports than APAC does.

ngl they need anyone thats above diamond 2

so... how we gonna do this?

they finally won something and he thinks theyre back on the downwards trajectory to irrelevancy

nah he definitely isnt, weve never had a finals so neck and neck before between all maps, theyve all always been blowouts or dominant maps that lead to a single crazy map but this GF was literally banger after banger after banger.
Ive never yelled jumped around the place and been so speechless before the way i did watching this match

i mean i dont think you needed to post this, its pretty obvious the dude doesnt like SEN winning. I wouldnt go to the lengths to say hes a hater but definitely aint a sen fan or ever gonna be a sen fan

crazy how logic isnt commonplace on vlr x_x

qck is way better than monyet tf you on about x_x

This is the best VLR post ive seen in a while. W mans

its for sure bait

they wont ban split, theyll take out sunset and probably bind

Rn FS it's gotta be forsaken, texture, or zekken (I'd say less for the ridiculous comeback rounds against edg but edg were ass and throwing)

Sen ban breeze, they look way worse on it than icebox unless they're saving icebox as their trump card for a bo5

Edg were playing like straight ass but loud is looking on their stride rn. All their players are popping tf off including tuyz which is ridiculous. It's looking like Americas is the strongest region rn ngl

what the fuck kind of success has steel ever seen? Vanity as well even lower "success" than steel. Theyre both garbage cause if they had any amount of brain to them they wouldnt be failing team after team.
Dont forget that steel was the MFer that was so bad that Nitro was forced to IGL FOR HIM FOR 2 SEPARATE FUCKING GAMES

what has steel done?

c9 shahzam better fit, get vanity off that fucking team, mf gotta be the worst IGL thats ever been in tier 1 next to dephh and steel

tbf PRX are only middling rn. They own teams worse than them and get owned by teams better than them. Its too much reliance on fragging and firepower

why is bro so pressed?

he good now, dont think hell be back playing pro for a while

honestly that would actually fix them

does it really matter? What other word would you use to explain what that was

it was definitely victor and crashies, those 2 popped into my head the moment he said that, could be marved too.
But yea its crazy the mental games they thought they were playing only to get ROLLED

xeppa has shown he can be good, vanity has LITERALLY NOTHING achieved past 2021 V1 who arguably only qualified because their players were on an absolute heater and NRG and 100T were starting to fall off

Shahz

Its pretty likely, they wanna be part of franchise and they only left challengers cause of the ridiculous off season

the pee drinker back at it again

ok and?

Exactly it's stupid to say Sen losses two as an actual argument considering one of their losses was the reason they had to play more matches than anyone else AND it was against the best teams in Americas.
The second loss wasn't even important and they didn't even need to win or wanted it enough to try. If you genuinely wanna say G2 could consistently beat SEN you're claiming they're the best team in the league.
Sen has been the most consistent team map to map of all the teams in every single league (apart from edg but they're dominant in their region). To say they "had a bad game against G2" is such A dumb statement considering how much they've already proven themselves

Name me 15 better smokes players. Even him being on omen alone he's definitely in at least top 10 controllers. There aren't many good ones out there
Johnqt is at the very least top 5 igl itw, his calling is only slightly worse than FNS, he brought back a dead team to become a contender for an international title, and he even frags and consistently closes out rounds. What more could you ask for?

A lot of smokes players only play omen tho so it's still pretty valid to call him at the very least top 5 or 8 controllers cause I rlly wouldn't be able to name many others. Also omen players who aren't smokes mains are typically flex

Best in omen is good enough for me

There are 3 consistentlt top 3 smokes being marved mako pancada and currently tenz is playing even more consistent than the 3 of them other than arguably mako
He's definitely top 1 omen itw rn

A lot of controllers literally only play omen tho so it's still pretty valid
Or you could say one of the best flex

I'd say fs he's in the top 3 at least currently. Maybe even top 1 👀
He's almost as good as Fns at calling and is a Fragger AND beat saadhak? Bro he's a goat
Tenz probably best smokes it's at least that qualified for Madrid
Zekken isnt best entry but he's up there

Sen above loud for sure bro
SEN
Loud
PRX
TH
EDG
KC
GenG
FPX

I agree and don't agree. I don't think KC are anything special and that FNC were very obviously not playing up to their regular standards but that doesn't mean they aren't a great team.
I think overall I could not put them anything above 4th especially cause I still feel like TH is the better team who just had a bad game in the finals AND that Loud and SEN are just on a different kind of heater

Bait used to be believable

He had 1 map and was not able to replicate it. If he was so good then having people like jaampi and nats on his team shouldve sent them to playins easy

Nah I genuinely don't think these guys have the igling power to run anything but defaults. I mean they had a full week to prep and anti for Sen and yet somehow they came to split with NOTHING to show for all that time.
It's either a chet or Ethan disaster class but either way it's seeming really consistent with Chet's coaching

It seems to me like youre the only one in this entire thread that's forgot about the match. Don't worry, we'll keep this post alive until you grow the balls to actually check it out

Bro trolling on vlr is one thing but this is too far bro, you're actually embarrassing yourself at this point.
I kinda feel bad for you not gonna lie 😕

Do you know the difference between opinions and fact??

I love how all of you are so quiet after the stomping that we witnessed

BRO DID NOT COOK 🤣🤣🤣
THIS IS HILARIOUS BAIT OR NO BAIT, IM GLAD HAPPINESS DECIDED TO BECOME ANOTHER BRAINDEAD VLR BAITER