You could argue this for so many teams that made deep runs and some that won tourneys as well. Loud faced literally nobodies in Champs 22 but they very obviously were the best team at the event, EG faced garbage until the upper finals and lower finals and then PRX threw the GF, Optic have literally never had a difficult run for their entire 1 year podium placements (they at most had 1 difficult game and 1 thrown away game (typically DRX)).
Theres never an argument for why a tournament is a fluke because for the past 3 years of valorant there has never been a tournament where there were more than 4 genuinely good teams (usually only 2 of which have a real chance at winning).

bro really said out loud "Im gonna waste my peace of mind and think about this meaningless post on a shit forum just so i can prove im right to someone i dont know"
Thats embarrassing dawg

TBF tho Navi are always dogshit in regionals and turn up when it comes to international tourneys. I mean theyve literally only ever won 1 regional and that was before they started trolling with their comps and roles

not to mention it had a "like-champs" bundle that was split 50-50 with the teams that attended (something no masters have ever even remotely had)

So for all those reasons FNC were not the best team at the event? Just help make it make sense

oh i love reading the absolute copium from every single one of you. Delusions gotta be by far the most entertaining thing to see on VLR

https://www.vlr.gg/24004/sentinels-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-1-ro32

woot*

its a fact tho zekken was only the best because aspas wasnt there. Zekken is a great player but the best in the world is excessive. The competition definitely wasnt at its best but Sen at their peak could easily compete with the best of the best

I mean is he wrong tho?

Genuinely this feels almost as bad as 2021 SEN, like bro please stop glazing them like there has been no other team in history with this level of play (there has been way better in the past cough cough loud 2022). I rlly feel like ending my life everytime someone glazes them for narrowly beating Loud on their own map pick and only destroying them on sunset because Loud were out of it (Im not even gonna talk about how useless it is to analyse that furia game). What happens to this team when they face real opposition that tests their calling and midrounding and what happens when theyre pushed into a corner with no more timeouts?
They just dont look like a loud or sen to me and i havent seen a single bit of whats needed out of a team to win a championship

it cant even be called a problem anymore tho cause it only ever does happen when they NEED a crazy play and when they have almost no chance at winning the round unless the opponents throw

but thats not a game sense problem thats a discipline problem which hes worked on and almost never happens unless a risk needs to be taken in an unwinnable round to potentially bring it back

good job, you just toppled your entire argument with a single sentence response

couldnt have said it better myself

yay was better tho on c9 and still had glimpses of his optic self but that all was gone when he went down in teammate quality and coach quality

shahz was truly the only guy in sen trying to make a change but was given 0 authority to do so (I guess zombs got rawkus to join which is smth)

Dapr probably wouldnt take the offer to play with them tho considering hes already set on OXG to win Ascension and keep the team chem into next year.
Hes learned from SEN that he should aim for long term success and not risk short term glory

It told the story for Demon1 and C9 just proved today that their scrim results actually meant something so who knows

Aspas is what made them close to being a superteam. If Tuyz was performing like this last year this team wouldve won the whole year man

they are most definitely cooked. These mfs lost to C9 x_x

nah its actually crazy how NRG is looking like the new SEN fanbase. I love marved and ethan but just looking at the weird fans really gives me a weird feeling whenever i want NRG to win and actually be the superteam people all say they are

the NRG cope is insane and this is coming from the hardest SEN coper in history x_x

it was a blow out, you didnt miss much

yea let PRX the great disappointment keep cooking so they can consistently underperform when it matters the most

The other dude already mentioned how they havent been with this negative mindset ever since they showed they were a top team (Copenhagen) so ill just talk about how Monyet is such a benefit to thte team.
Ive been so down on monyet and i dont think hes a good raze player, BUT I do think this dude is FAR better than Mindfreak on controller and is way more consistent. The dude after he finally got comfortable is easily putting up 0.95+ rating every single game meanwhile mindfreak is busy throwing every single impact kill hes given.
Monyet is also a hella positive guy, on a roster that were all down in the dumps and didnt believe in their potential monyet was the only one that was ever smiling and enjoyed his time on the team. Even after losing the dude kept talking about how he was glad he was able to make improvements and increase his chemistry with the team. Ffs he was the only reason PRX even managed to get a single map off Sen, all the other maps apart from map 1 were HORRENDOUS.

TL;DR this team wont make it anywhere if they dont make a change and start getting rid of the players that hold them back (MINDFREAK). Mindfreak hasnt had any semblance of a world class performance since Tokyo. His Rating, KD, ACS, AND EVEN KAST have been so mid for over a year now. The guy doesnt even have any passion to play the game, hes in it for the money, WHY KEEP HIM ON THE ROSTER??

Mindfreak literally is worse than monyet esp on the smokes. Just place monyet on smokes now that hes comfortable and is actually providing a ton of impact for the team.
PRX need to change something cause having the veto advantage in the GF in a game where Com (their biggest problem in the UF) wasnt firing like he was the prior game is unacceptable. They need to do something even if that means replacing integral pieces like Forsaken or Something (or mindfreak who isnt as integral) because sticking with the roster youve had so many chances with already will only lead to the same conclusions just like we saw with DRX and currently Navi

then just get rid off their worst player (mindfreak) and replace him with the guy that was the only reason PRX managed to take a single map off Sentinels (Monyet)

for real x_x

"Where was M3C at Copenhagen" dumbass argument, yes they didnt keep up with FPX but FPX just had insane firepower and ridiculous amount of chemistry at the time that they were unbeatable. They were by far the best team at the time no questions asked.

Meta doesnt matter when the level of play far exceeds anyone whos conforming to the meta. M3C simply fell off, doesnt mean they werent at a peak that was beyond most other teams in the world at the time.

"fluked out TWO trophies" is such an oxymoronic statement. Also FNC were probably the least fluke-like winners weve seen since Sen and GMB 2021
But i do agree he isnt at an FNS or Saadhak level of calling

Reykjavik 2022 was the start of chamber dominance but the best teams at the time (FPX, FNC, M3C dont even argue with me) didnt run it. They looked so good and very clearly the highest level of play we had ever seen up to that point.

well yea i think thats obvious and thats clearly something theyre gonna be working on (and probably something they alr did before kickoff and just didnt get the chance to show it off)

I feel like FNC are just gonna get back to dominating the scene again. Theyve had a long enough break from the game and theyve been shown that they gotta start trying again if they wanna win. With the players they have I really dont see what team can stop them

I mean I was kind of in on shroud. Really if they signed him quicker right after the split ended or even at the beginning of the year I feel like that team would potentially own NA, probably top 4 team. If it wasnt for franchising I feel like there wouldve been a chance they kept shroud if Loud didnt let go of pancada and sacy and if Xset stayed together.
Just add a real coach and bam you got a real competitive roster

I feel like boasters take about Madrid is something ive been thinking and ive been saying here and there about how the level of play just doesn't really stack up very well to champs. You could give the argument that its the beginning of the year but i mean 2022 Iceland era teams were crazy from the get go due to it being the second year of the main esports circuit.
It really feels like SEN and GenG would at most make top 6 at Champs taking FNCs and DRXs spots (and whoever else was around there).

Will we see FNC teaching these new teams how to play the game properly at a high level?

EMEA - Gotta be FNC
APAC - RRQ
CH - who cares? they suck

Sentinels won that MUST mean that Furia are top 15 AT LEAST in the world right?

100T qualified for a champs and beat a top team, what have sen done?

Nah man the real sen fans are the most loyal in the entire Valorant community

fr the C9 fan said SEN is a megacorp x_x

bro found the script x_x

but why are you posting this shit on vlr, you know other forums exist right?

Well i mean the fact that the illness itself that was stated is chronic and is serious enough to be exempt then clearly it isnt bribery. Also this is singapore were talking about, how much would the military had to have been bribed for him to be let go

He doesnt need to be singaporean to know. Its typically pretty easy to avoid national service when you have a reasonable excuse and if you have a condition like asthma or something you can easily get exempt from service

my guy think he running on an anonymous account x_x

ppl really try their DAMNDEST to cancel whoever has a semblance of clout.
Blud think tenz is the moderator of his huge ass stream x_x

Oh he definitely does when hes spewing bias and this recent sentinels shit really got me annoyed considering its so overwhelmingly obvious that he doesnt support sentinels but he constantly argues against it and refuses to just say "Im not rooting for sentinels".
Idk why he does these things especially when it comes to orgs that arent clouted like sentinels but other than that he has some pretty good analysis videos

FR tho we all descend from Africans so honestly the best region is africa

Thats 1 moroccan, there arent even competing africans at a high level other than him