4th Best Team in Americas and I don't think that should be a hot take.
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4th Best Team in Americas and I don't think that should be a hot take.
My point was that Less was playing only sentinels and being the best in the world at it while Alfa played KJ on 1 map and then was an entry player, either way their 1A 1B and both should be seen as top 10 ITW.
It's gonna be really hard to tell until the next LAN but rn he's playing better than Less. Less still probably holds the crown because he's been better for longer but I wouldn't mind saying he's number one and did in a recent tier list.
I mean oping is the most important part of Jett play even if rifling is also very important. Getting an OP in ur Jett's hands round 4 and being sure you'll have it for 6 or 7 of the next 9 rounds is really important to teams winning.
Not BR but I'll say
Pancada
Sacy
raafa IGL
Havoc
Matheuzin(or FRZ since he's been their only slightly competent one recently but I feel like we've seen his ceiling)
If you somehow can't get Sacy that either means u can get Mwzera since he went to Furia or you can keep JZZ cuz he does have some highs
BcJ should be playing controller over Jawgemo anyway. He's goated on Raze so keep him in on Bind Fracture and Split but otherwise cmon no way BcJ's harbor and omen are worse.
There are no good ones lol, the only one to ever have success was Mazin 4 weeks ago and even then he was getting insane pop offs from Khalil Mwzera and Dgzin individually
ok their KAST is even but his assists are definitely higher and honestly another tier higher
I mean leaf has only played 4 cypher games in his life and only 2 were in franchising back at Lock: In. He's a better player but Stellar is for sure the more polished cypher player.
That's why I specified it was NA teams only and not NA players only. Either way it only changes up Fade and Sage which would just be Derrek and Cyro
NA teams prioritize flexing KJ a lot more than most other regions, NRG has had 4 different guys play 100 rounds of it alone, and C9 and 100T each have two different guys that play it depending on map and meta. EG and SEN are the only ones who stick to a strict singular KJ and SEN specifically plays it a lot less than your average team. If this was something like EU you could just say Alfa since it's really all he has to play RN, but in NA your best KJ players are also best in class phoenix, raze, and kayo guys.
Probably fair but I see Xeppaa's Skye as the rock of C9 and he's played it so much more than Leaf, and anyone for that matter, that I think he's overall the most skilled at the specific agent. His assist numbers and KAST are still higher than Leaf but Leaf's fragging on the agent is crazy
Cypher is by far the weakest agent in NA franchising, I'd likely take the two you mentioned alongside poised, add3r, and moose on cypher instead of Stellar but he's the only one that plays it at all, and is probably the historically best between he, fns, and dephh.
KJ: Victor or Zellsis
Jett: leaf
Skye: Xeppaa
Viper: s0m
Omen: jakee
Sova: crashies
Raze: jawgemo or Asuna
Harbor: s0m
Breach: runi
Astra: bang
Kayo: Ethan
Brim: s0m
Sage: ardiis
Gekko: Asuna
Fade: Sacy
Cypher: stellar
Neon: leaf
Phoenix: Zellsis
Chamber: Yay from Lock: In
Yoru: Ethan from Lock: In
Reyna: N/A (Asuna or Tenz pre 2023 though)
All of this is based off of 2023
Repeat players:
s0m 3
Zellsis 2
leaf 2
Asuna 2
Ethan 2
I'm pretty sure its as simple as cut mikes and stellar and bring in whoever the best coach IGL duo that you can from ascension, don't gotta overthink the other roles except maybe verno for derrek or cryo to a new team.
I mean his skye rating is identical to raze and Skye is the most important initiator in the meta, alongside him playing like 3 other agents well. Seems like a pretty good player to me.
IDK all I know is do everything you can to retain sheydos and Trexx and build around the two and grab as many of Monsteer Baddyg Enzo and Mistic as possible alongside a completely new staff.
could not be more different players to compare dawg what???
No shot they go another year with worst in Americas FRZ LMFAO
There's still like 4-5 Challengers teams that would probably want him as their IGL, I know he gets hate but you're telling me he's not even a top 17 IGL in NA?
One of Mary Bob or Florescent probably
I agree that he can and probably will be back in the top 5, but if you're making a top 5 list of players rn he's not in it.
s0m is playing at the second highest level of controller rn(behind mako) but obviously he needs to show it in playoffs and Tokyo
TL a few more LANs but has the exact same vibe of late bloomers that fall short and have rough rebuilds.
Cryo was better than Mikes and Stellar ever have don't keep him in that group
xffero is by far the most underrated player ITW and has played amazingly since champs
Very well done!
Foxy9 is significantly behind any duo of PRX I'm sorry. Foxy9 is good but is playing duelist worse than buzz was and is mostly carried by his team. He has mechanical flashes but in general contributes much less than a top 4 team usually has.
I don't think we can call suygetsu the best player rn but I would put Shao over Alfa atm
specifically in the sentinel class. He obviously is one of the most flexible players ITW but this list is specifically for players as sentinel agents. He doesn't play cypher and viper which gatekeeps him from the upper division. Same can be said for the other 4 guys. Nukkye is a god tier raze, Zellsis has great agents, Sheydos is disgusting on initators as is Shyy. This is a sentinel specific list
he's played 1 more game of KJ but zero viper to D4's 4 games where he was great
If I was doing it for overall players he'd be above shyy in the sheydos tier mostly for his phoenix and flexibility alone but because I'm only taking their ability on sentinel role (kj cypher viper sorta sage) he is lower.
God Tier Top 3(Plays every agent in the role at the top level)
H.M
ceNder, Victor, d4v41
Made another one of these and felt like sentinel would probably be the next easiest one to rank. I feel pretty solid about these tiers but the last 5 is definitely a tough one.
IMO the top 3 is interchangeable but set in stone. k1Ng has been too impressive so far and if it's only based on 2023 he's undeniably top 3. Alfa and Less both play an elite KJ as well as an elite other agent (Less viper Alfa cypher).
Next tier makes sense in my eyes, obviously top 5 in the role but either doesn't play KJ at all for nAts or just not as good as viper cypher or sage for suygetsu. After them it gets tricky because these guys really only play KJ, but are such high impact that I couldn't leave those 5 out. Pretty much all 5 of these guys are standard duelist or initiator players put onto KJ, but they are all fantastic at it and have very high impact. I kind of wish I could've extended past 10 because Cender and D4v41 really deserve a bigger shout out, cender is just solid and plays all 3 agents just not on the level of suygetsu or nats, and d4v41 really isn't a traditional sentinel but plays viper and kj better than anyone on PRX. Victor I added just because he has prob been NRG's best of the revolving door of KJ's. Some guys I also wanted to add would've been texture and lmemore but just couldn't find space
Overall Regional Rankings:
EU: 5/10
Americas: 3/10
APAC: 2/10
EU obviously is and has been the spot for the best sentinel players, with 3/5 also coming from Russia which is not a huge surprise. Americas each has one from LATAM BR and NA and APAC is two great KR sentinels. Overall would like to see more APAC sentinel gods outside of KR, someone like d4v41 or lmemore could be next up. LMK if there's any guys I might've left out or if my ranking is just dogshit but I'm just doing this for fun atm.
suygetsu has been kinda non existent this year IDK why, at least compared to where he was at last LAN
Runi yes the other two no unless you really count SQN winning one monthly gauntlet as t2 experience
100T has two games and they pretty much have to win both, one of them is versus Furia which is tough. One thing that really hurt them against Loud and must be fixed is picks and bans for maps from Mikes and Co. Furia is a strong ascent team and 100T is now 0-4 on the map, yet they're still permaing Pearl as their veto. If Furia gets Ascent and doesn't have to play fracture because 100T is so bad at it then there's no way they lose. A map ban of Lotus Pearl first gives Furia ascent and a fracture ban so they can play Split or 100T's fracture in the third map, something they'll likely be completely fine with. The big thing for 100T is they have to leave Pearl up and ban ascent, and they need to fix their Pearl comp. They can beat Furia with this specific team comp
Cryo Jett
Asuna Skye
Bang Viper
Stellar KJ
Derrek Harbor (!)
The Derrek Harbor is going to be the big decider for them, but if you look at it Bang, Stellar, Cryo, and kind of Asuna all get their best agents(Asuna can't play Raze here) and Harbor just has to learn Harbor well enough to out duel Furia. He doesn't need to pop-off, just be able to beat a Pearl team that almost lost to MIBR on it. It's doable for 100T, but not easy.
100T rolling out a map pool that's at least strong on Haven Split and Pearl would do wonders for them despite disastrous Ascent and Fracture performances.
Bro no matter how positive you want to be about KRU since they're an easy to like team this current roster is ass and that new one is not good either. They still would not have a good IGL, Keznit is not a really good duelist anymore, Quick doesn't IGL anymore and is playing bad and Matheuzin and Daveeys are good not great support players who won't be enough to carry an ass team like this. This roster reeks perma 10th place.
Wow that team still looks really bad LMFAO
I mean if we're doing 2022 then Ange1 is still ahead of Boaster but that's fair otherwise
No Redgar in all time over STAX of all people is crazy
Their Jett rating is negligible and Foxy can also play raze as well as being better in their h2h matchup
Leaf and F0rsaken clear both on Neon
I think Mazino is nasty at it too but Tuyz has excelled on it utility wise against all of the best teams ITW. Tuyz fragging has left a lot to be desired recently but his Harbor mechanics are still exceptional.
1a. Sayf
1b. Derke
If we're talking currently best viper is MaKo and I think the point is that Tuyz is the only guy who we can really say has mastered Harbor so far
As specifically a supportive initiator for a duelist the difference between him and Leo is night and day, but as an individual fragger and player they are much closer. Still works with my point that Derke gets much more help to frag than Sayf does.
Ya that's the one thing I have against him is he just doesn't play against anyone good, and when he did play against GEN and PRX he was bottom rating, but I think come Tokyo he will be seen as top 10 anyway. ATM he could be anywhere from 6th to like 20th on my list but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's playing both Jett and Raze which no one else in APAC is able to do rn, apart from maybe Saya and Suggest.
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