Yes they're probably number 3 if Something can play.

Every player to ever play with FNS got substantially better after joining his team(I guess ardiis being the one exception) but guys he's just really lucky

Feels like 7 teams all have a really good chance to win

Zander>Skuba>thief>>>>wippie/valyn/v1c

zyppan

They're all good not great players and Bonecold is a good not great IGL. They seem like they'll be a perpetually mid team but I also don't think any singular player deserves dropping.

I have gotten downvoted for saying he's not a top 5 flex ITW and have had multiple people put him in the top 3 convo he's disgustingly overrated.

I just think he got really overrated from the S1 run. He definitely didn't carry as Sugarz3ro was by far their best player, and though he was a good chamber the only people that played chamber back then were all better than him. Since then he's kind of had this icon status because of the Japanese popularity(I see it similar to early mixwell where he was just extremely popular but hasn't backed it up much) but hasn't actually been good since that stage. In s2 when they didn't qual he got chamber diffed by 2 different NTH players, and since 2023 started he's just been good not great. I personally just see him as an average player but because of his popularity and one tournament where he stole the spotlight from a more deserving teammate I feel like people still think of him as some top tier player.

I disagree I personally think NZR has had the better Sova and Skye for a while but I think Mazino is better in a flex role where he was playing fade and kayo and viper. I think he definitely gets hurt by Kingg being such a good flex player but I still just don't rate him that high.

I've personally been more impressed by NZR throughout the season but the argument is there. In general LEV's roster is a bit dysfunctional atm.

I say Rb because we do this every time with him. The Rb circle starts in open quals when DRX shits on teams and looks amazing, he looks good but the level of competition is bad. Then they get to LAN and his group stage is good as they get easily through bad teams. Once playoffs get around, however, he's statistically one of the worst players at every single playoff and frags at the level of an IGL. The problem is that he does that for 2 games, they get bounced, and people forget. Then group stages come around, he looks good for 10 games, and everyone calls him a top 3 flex ITW. It's just a boring cycle and I hate that he gets called top 3 ITW as a flex when he is consistently the worst playoff performer of all time.

I'd argue d4v4i is one of the most underrated players ITW atm

C9
GIA/BBL if FUT doesn't qual, NAVI/TL if they do
Zeta or GES

Where do u rank him among sentinel players? I feel like the consensus is he's top 3-4 and I really don't see an argument any other way. I do think he skips by criticism for being not great on KJ too much but apart from that, and especially after playoffs, there's no way in my mind he's not top 4.

Nukkye
Cloud
Hoody
qw1
Bonecold

current or all time?

Unpopular opinions and hot takes preferred

I'll go out and say
Mazino(pre playoffs but that's not unpopular anymore IG)
Rb
Laz

I'm willing to elaborate if people are interested but that's my personal overrated list.

Realistically the only guys I see getting changed in NA are:
Sacy and Pancada to BR teams
Stellar
maybes on jawgemo c0m and derrek(but much less likely than the other two)

I think M80 makes it into franchising so the most likely pickups are
flyuh and valyn to IGL 100T and SEN
Trent to wherever Valyn goes
possibly Verno over one of the intiiators listed
possibly skuba over Jawgemo

Apart from that all the duelist slots are filled unless Tenz retires or ardiis goes back to EU(don't know why he would) and there's no reason for c9 NRG or really even EG to make changes atm.

sure, but he wasn't good in league play which all drx duelists have historically done, and buzz outperformed him at every point. Maybe he has a d3ffo like turn up but that's usually the opposite of what happens to drx players, mostly rb. Either way that's 2/5 starters being questionable fraggers compared to competition (as in the most elite teams, players like derke aspas crashies leo shao)

I know abt their shortcomings, this is just one of them. I still rate stax mako buzz very highly, and I think termi has usually done a good job but probably needs a shake up at an analyst spot. Either way I stand by the fact that of the top 5 teams their individuals, especially zest foxy9 and rb, are much behind especially in big games

like I didn't say any of the things u said I said lol

I'm arguing that it isn't stax's fault. They are always well prepped, well coached, and well igled, they just don't have the players to get over the hump. They can win big games here or there but you and I both know their expectation would've been to have at least gotten to one final by now which they've failed to do. I think its a great team but its hard for me to pick them over abt 4-5 teams rn when they individually are behind those teams.

I mean he was worse than Demon1 and Aspas who are the main comparisons but I still don't see him being a bad player lol. I'd rank him dead in the middle of duelists coming into Tokyo behind aspas derke sayf something and jingg off the top of my head.

Americas top 4>any other top 4
Americas top 2>APAC top 2 but <EU
Americas top 1>=APAC but < EU

I'd also say they're 7-8th best teams are so much better than that of EMEA and APAC. 100T or SEN would likely be much better than BBL, TH, RRQ and GES.

So they are definitely in debate for the number one team

ardiis is known for turning it up in playoffs and on LAN, they will be fine. Plus most of their star power comes from having an absurdly good initiator and probably the second best controller player in Tokyo.

TL and NRG are a tier ahead of DRX and NAVI and T1 are in there own tier between Navi and EG w/o Demon1

people seem to not realize that their roster just isn't as good as the 5 teams ahead of them atm and it's been that way for a while no matter which teams are top 5

Leaf+NRG instead of Ardiis

saadhak for kingg and ur team is perfect

1.Chronicle
2.Leo
3.Derke
4.Sayf
5.Alfa
6.nats
7.trexx
8.suygestu
9.shao
10.nukkye

cloud,qutioner,hoody hardest omits

Isn't that exactly what the post is saying?

4. Something
5. demon1
   Buzz if he keeps playing it gets into top 5

I don't know u unfortunately

I pray at least someone else on this site looks at d4v4i's last 90 days on the sentinel (viper/kj) characters he's literally farming an entire region.

Derke
Aspas
Sayf
something
leaf
saya
demon1
jingg
cryo recently
ardiis recently

I think qw1 and qutioner are both hella underrated and great players, but he's way too inconsistent to be called top 5, especially when there's a strong argument for 8-10 above him.

When will d4v4i start getting put into best ITW conversations because there are not 10 players better than him rn that's for sure.

Cned is great but they have an obvious weakness on Raze maps that aren't split. He's not a good raze and Zypaan is a fantastic one, but cned cant flex at all, so it's a bit problematic. That's why since 2021 he's always been a good player but not the top duelist anymore because he can't play chamber or raze at a superstar level like derke, aspas, etc.

why not tuyz chamber saadhak brim????

He deserved it last year and after lock in, but this was a bad performance this past split. Consistently finishing top 6-8 in the world last year was impressive, even if it wasn't number 1

ya he's historically the most well known cypher player in NA even if he's ass now lol.

The only Cypher main NA players are Moose Aproto and Dapr and all are in challengers. Boostio zellsis and pancada have never been cypher players, FNS prefers breach and kj so stellar is really the only 1. If someone like Moose or aproto gets called up you'll see an increase in cypher but rn the best cypher players in the world are literally all in EU (nats, suygetsu, alfa, cender)

Probably just Leo when he plays it

or Jawgemo....

yetujey as well

guy must've never seen qutioner play jett and have 1v9 for BBL

100T is a tragic team but it's not because of their individuals. Bang is still one of the best vipers ITW and Asuna is still an amazing player, they just put him on kayo way too much when he is still superb on both raze and skye, better and more meta agents. I 100% understand the argument for Zekken over him but not Sacy or Pancada over either with how they've been playing.

Duelist: Qutioner
Initiator: Asuna
Controller: Bang
Sentinel: Sheydos
IGL/flex: xffero

Players I would also add: Trexx, Monyet, Zekken, Cryo, Marved

sure babysasuke

They've won 7 straight games and just 2-0ed both T1 and DRX yes they're much better than T1 lol. I can see the potential with T1 especially with Carpe finally figuring it out but no team ITW has more firepower than PRX and FNC is the only team on a longer win streak.

blud said PRX 💀💀💀