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current or all time?
Unpopular opinions and hot takes preferred
I'll go out and say
Mazino(pre playoffs but that's not unpopular anymore IG)
Rb
Laz
I'm willing to elaborate if people are interested but that's my personal overrated list.
Realistically the only guys I see getting changed in NA are:
Sacy and Pancada to BR teams
Stellar
maybes on jawgemo c0m and derrek(but much less likely than the other two)
I think M80 makes it into franchising so the most likely pickups are
flyuh and valyn to IGL 100T and SEN
Trent to wherever Valyn goes
possibly Verno over one of the intiiators listed
possibly skuba over Jawgemo
Apart from that all the duelist slots are filled unless Tenz retires or ardiis goes back to EU(don't know why he would) and there's no reason for c9 NRG or really even EG to make changes atm.
sure, but he wasn't good in league play which all drx duelists have historically done, and buzz outperformed him at every point. Maybe he has a d3ffo like turn up but that's usually the opposite of what happens to drx players, mostly rb. Either way that's 2/5 starters being questionable fraggers compared to competition (as in the most elite teams, players like derke aspas crashies leo shao)
I know abt their shortcomings, this is just one of them. I still rate stax mako buzz very highly, and I think termi has usually done a good job but probably needs a shake up at an analyst spot. Either way I stand by the fact that of the top 5 teams their individuals, especially zest foxy9 and rb, are much behind especially in big games
like I didn't say any of the things u said I said lol
I'm arguing that it isn't stax's fault. They are always well prepped, well coached, and well igled, they just don't have the players to get over the hump. They can win big games here or there but you and I both know their expectation would've been to have at least gotten to one final by now which they've failed to do. I think its a great team but its hard for me to pick them over abt 4-5 teams rn when they individually are behind those teams.
I mean he was worse than Demon1 and Aspas who are the main comparisons but I still don't see him being a bad player lol. I'd rank him dead in the middle of duelists coming into Tokyo behind aspas derke sayf something and jingg off the top of my head.
Americas top 4>any other top 4
Americas top 2>APAC top 2 but <EU
Americas top 1>=APAC but < EU
I'd also say they're 7-8th best teams are so much better than that of EMEA and APAC. 100T or SEN would likely be much better than BBL, TH, RRQ and GES.
So they are definitely in debate for the number one team
ardiis is known for turning it up in playoffs and on LAN, they will be fine. Plus most of their star power comes from having an absurdly good initiator and probably the second best controller player in Tokyo.
TL and NRG are a tier ahead of DRX and NAVI and T1 are in there own tier between Navi and EG w/o Demon1
people seem to not realize that their roster just isn't as good as the 5 teams ahead of them atm and it's been that way for a while no matter which teams are top 5
saadhak for kingg and ur team is perfect
1.Chronicle
2.Leo
3.Derke
4.Sayf
5.Alfa
6.nats
7.trexx
8.suygestu
9.shao
10.nukkye
cloud,qutioner,hoody hardest omits
Isn't that exactly what the post is saying?
I don't know u unfortunately
I pray at least someone else on this site looks at d4v4i's last 90 days on the sentinel (viper/kj) characters he's literally farming an entire region.
Derke
Aspas
Sayf
something
leaf
saya
demon1
jingg
cryo recently
ardiis recently
I think qw1 and qutioner are both hella underrated and great players, but he's way too inconsistent to be called top 5, especially when there's a strong argument for 8-10 above him.
When will d4v4i start getting put into best ITW conversations because there are not 10 players better than him rn that's for sure.
Cned is great but they have an obvious weakness on Raze maps that aren't split. He's not a good raze and Zypaan is a fantastic one, but cned cant flex at all, so it's a bit problematic. That's why since 2021 he's always been a good player but not the top duelist anymore because he can't play chamber or raze at a superstar level like derke, aspas, etc.
He deserved it last year and after lock in, but this was a bad performance this past split. Consistently finishing top 6-8 in the world last year was impressive, even if it wasn't number 1
ya he's historically the most well known cypher player in NA even if he's ass now lol.
The only Cypher main NA players are Moose Aproto and Dapr and all are in challengers. Boostio zellsis and pancada have never been cypher players, FNS prefers breach and kj so stellar is really the only 1. If someone like Moose or aproto gets called up you'll see an increase in cypher but rn the best cypher players in the world are literally all in EU (nats, suygetsu, alfa, cender)
Probably just Leo when he plays it
guy must've never seen qutioner play jett and have 1v9 for BBL
100T is a tragic team but it's not because of their individuals. Bang is still one of the best vipers ITW and Asuna is still an amazing player, they just put him on kayo way too much when he is still superb on both raze and skye, better and more meta agents. I 100% understand the argument for Zekken over him but not Sacy or Pancada over either with how they've been playing.
Duelist: Qutioner
Initiator: Asuna
Controller: Bang
Sentinel: Sheydos
IGL/flex: xffero
Players I would also add: Trexx, Monyet, Zekken, Cryo, Marved
They've won 7 straight games and just 2-0ed both T1 and DRX yes they're much better than T1 lol. I can see the potential with T1 especially with Carpe finally figuring it out but no team ITW has more firepower than PRX and FNC is the only team on a longer win streak.
blud said PRX 💀💀💀
deserves FUT by far but VIT def could win this game
qw1 by far rn but Twisten has a much better raze, jett is just very important and qw1 is playing a lot better on her and is more of his teams carry.
Point is that they're peak has never been very good pre franchising, they had a good run at champs and have been consistently top 8 in 2022 but every person ranked above them should indisputably be since they won events and/or had consistent high placing, higher than DRX.
Theres a lot of things wrong here lol. This post is about pre-franchising to start, and DRX beating FPX twice doesn't make them a better team. FPX won a LAN and tho struggled against DRX that's literally the only team they've every struggled against. Against literally every other team in their two LANs they played they were 13-2. DRX for sure had there number, doesn't mean they were a more elite or successful team. Ya they beat FPX, how about what they did against OG, Loud and even Zeta division lol. They were obviously great in champs which put them up a bit but apart from that they didn't get out of groups once in '21 and in 22 they hard choked against Zeta and in the most important match they played against FPX they didn't win. If they were really that much better than FPX then why didn't they get blown out when they had a chance to get top 4 in Stage 2. They're obviously a good team but man ranking them above teams that won a LAN when they've never even made a final and have only been top 4 once is just comical.
Mazino has been bad recently but the amount of people wanting him dropped atm is crazy.
I really don't love that analysis because the team hasn't actually been given a shot to prove that wrong and people can kinda just get away with saying it without much analysis. ACE dropped their first map of the tournament and then went 8 straight maps wins in their four games before Gambit. They were dominant against Envy(no1 NA), TL(top 3 EU) and beat the best team ITW in a BO5. That's not a fluke at all. I think people mostly think that because they never did anything after but a roster change and zeek mental health issues stopped them from even getting a chance to compete again, and the LAN before they played well and were 1-2 fights away from ending top 4. That team was far from a fluke and were obviously a step behind the top 3 but were a fantastic squad. Also you know that DRX argument at the end there is dumb lol
What have DRX actually done to deserve being called a top 3 team? They never made it out of GS in '21 and their best performance was a 3rd place. How can you possibly put them over FPX and ACE?
I'm going to do this in chronological order, this is not a ranking of the teams but just the 10 I feel like were "elite" during the VCT era(basically the first 6 LANs). My general criteria is top 6 team in two straight LANs, or in some cases being great all year except for one LAN. So... starting chronologically
2021 S2-S3 SEN:
1 LAN win, top 8 in next LAN but lost to top 2 team. 3-2 at that LAN
2021 S3-Champs Gambit:
1 LAN win, 1 second place where they beat another team on the list
2021 S3-champs Acend:
Champs win, 1 5-8 in a very close game, beat another team on the list on the LAN win
2021 KRU(mostly s3-Champs):
Top 3-4 and 5-8, nearly beat Gambit but beat S2 champs and runner up OTW to almost finals. My last pick for this list and likely the least elite team here.
2022 Optic:
LAN win, 2nd place, 3rd place. Most consistent 3 LAN stretch of any team
2022 Loud:
Champs win, 2nd place and a qual for S3 but bad performance
2022 S1-S2 Paper Rex:
2nd place, 4th place in the 2 LANs, only Optic was better. Beat 2 teams on the list in S2
2022 DRX:
3rd at champs, 5-6 at both other LANs. beat 3 of the teams on the list in playoffs during that time
2022 FPX S2-Champs:
1 LAN win, 1 fourth place, 1 qual as a first place team in EU but couldn't play. 4 wins against teams on this list.
2022 FNC S2-Champs:
4th and 5-6th place, if fully roster in S1 would likely be seen as a better team. beat 1 team on this list for champs. Probably second weakest behind KRU.
Teams just missing out: '21 Envy(choked at champs after a top 2 in S3), '21 FNC and TL (both good in first and last stages but never were ELITE), '22 LEV and XSET(never elite but both very good).
My general rankings(very disputable):
Yay Saadhak or Chronicle are the only actual players with arguments.
I mean its pretty easy to see that kiNgg's viper is elite, like top top tier itw, even if his IGLing has fallen off hard. All statistics and eye test can see how impactful he is on the character and LEV is a notably better team when he's playing it versus breach and kayo. Just because his team is ass and he's the IGL doesn't mean he isn't at or above the two we've mentioned.
ya they for sure need ange1 to play cypher that's definitely gonna win them the game instead of any of zypaan raze shao fade or cned jett
MaKo kiNgg Less clear both unfortunately
ange1 is trying to cook too hard instead of just letting zypaan play it with cned on sage
hence why I said coming into this game.....
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