yeah ok this is actually a waste of my time.

Yeah and you responded with a fucking hitler comparison to a vlr argument, just put the fries in the bag and pack it up lil bro

???? LMAO WHAT ARE YOU RANTING ABOUT

You are clearly out of reasons to give besides "omg china has it's own region!!!!" if you're going to compare fucking hitler to it LMAOOOOO. You actually might be one of the most stupidest vlr users I've seen.

Also about your argument about hitler (LMAOOO THIS SHIT IS ACTUALLY SO FUNNY) he did horrible things prior to ww2 and the holocaust like murdering his political enemies so your point there is proven wrong too LMAOOOOO

Representing multiple countries, Korea has the most which was what I was saying lmao not this stupid ass argument. Regions like OCE didn't get a spot because KR got them instead

People have corrected you on this before lmfao

Where lmao????? pulling shit out of your ass.

A whole fucking franchise league of 12 teams with up to 4 direct slots to international events, their own Ascension league, and marketing is a huge fucking deal you moron lmao, no other country is getting this level of support ever buddy. You're acting like having your own tier 1 franchise league is something small.

so you literally just stated the thing I said to not state... you might be stupid or just a china hater lmao

Riot gave Korea the most amount of spots within Pacific and completely neglected other Pacific sub regions, let me ask you a question if you're going to include China as a region would you want them in Pacific so they lose spots because of them? Probably not so why not give them their own region when they are going to spend the most amount of money anyways in the league lmaoooo.

the reason behind it is irrelevant because China clearly receives more support than every other region in the world - not Korea.

And explain that to me, besides your dumbass argument that "china gets it's own league" what else does China get that the rest of the world doesn't? these extra events that are setup in china are not setup by riot, they get much less recognition and advertising compared to other regions lmao.

They don't favor China more than Korea it's from a financial standpoint lmao, why would you not allow a region of 12 orgs that would constantly flood the scene with cash while orgs in other parts of the world do the bare minimum like Americas? The amount that Chinese orgs spend in this game is probably the same amount of every single team combined within other regions of VCT.

What about when Moist Moguls and DSG were part of tier 2? the viewership was probably the highest it will be yet Riot didn't do shit with it. Toast literally didn't attempt to come back to the scene because he lost so much money from it.

Because riot loves KR more than any region out there

Surely it cannot be that hard to just require players to have a cam facing their computer from the back to prevent cheating

People were begging riot to do something with the tier 2 scene and they never did anything with it, they just continued to do things to benefit themselves (SOOP deal is an example). Gonna be a whole mess to see their scene fall due to their neglect to it (ofc gonna be sad to the players tho but they can't control that).

Because it's just a fact??? Look at the prize pools from both of the stages of NA challengers and look at the prize pool from GC NA currently. Not only does riot favor GC more by giving them access to the literal VCT AMERICAS twitch and youtube channel but also gives ~20k more than tier 2.

I would make a joke about tencent here but I'm going to refrain myself from doing that

Isn't this shit the same anticheat that does some sketchy stuff to your files to see if you're cheating? how are people still getting away with cheating if that's what's happening lmao.

Not surprising when riot cares about things like GC more than their literal fucking tier 2 scene

I mean Marved was in a pretty heavy matchfixing issue back in the days right? but he turned out right, I know it doesn't apply to everyone but not everyone is going to waste that second chance. But there are some zellsis words that will and bring down everything.

Riot could also give Tier 2 (at least in NA) the same treatment it gives to GC, just increase the prize pool (we know they have the money to do so) and use the main Americas channel to stream the games like they do for GC.

They don't even need to stream it tho, a single tweet alone would acknowledge the problems in tier 2 to a bigger audience.

Can we get the tracker?

I love how big creators/streamers can complain about anything but I don't think I've ever heard them ever mention tier 2 at all lmao.

So many solutions to massive problems and none of them are being made, joke of a league and joke of a company.

Maybe based on placements at the previous masters, so pacific -> americas -> china -> emea

That would mean 6 players on the main roster, s1mon, xlele, kai, fengf, luoking, heybay.

Just ranked for teams + regions

1. Any Chinese ORG
2. Americas (SEN + G2)
3. EMEA (VIT, TL, FNC + probably some french team)
4. Pacific (only really heard that T1 pays bank)

If you're gonna have Jemkin at 1 then Rarga isn't going to be far behind lmao, they are basically the same level of crackedness

I think you might be the problem lowk...

where the pickems for HERO ESPORTS ASIAN CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2025?

Are you okay? Wolves looking shit even with their main roster, DRG already got beaten by EDG during stage 1 and look even worse with their new signing, and they beat TEC who literally beat top 3 and top 6 in stage 1. Also Trace wasn't playing with half their roster, heybay is more than likely getting replaced and only person off was Biank. Average brainless G2 fan.

So tell me, who's going to be top 3 if it's not EDG? Wolves? the same team who is going to bomb out of masters? hmm maybe DRG, wait no with their new signing they look even more shit. Hmmm maybe Trace? I mean they got a good shot but the sub for Biank wasn't even doing bad so who knows.

Nah but good try

Waylay and yoru just switch whenever I get bored

0/8

Playing with a player who's playing agents that they are not used to and are still learning. Plus they just won the most recent EVO so they are minimum top 3 in China again.

At the moment? yeah. Of all time? not even close.

dawg, which business is purposely limiting the amount of sponsers, can we think please. im not saying red bull is the only sponser, im saying you bringing up redbull is not a good point because THATS ONE SPONSER. as a business you need to MAXIMISE the amount you can get not limit.

Name me one sponsor that riot has now that they didn't have before lmao

its literally not legal, riot couldve and gotten in trouble, and if they continuted to allow it this can be used against them.

"riot couldve and gotten in trouble" yeah and they did it and they didn't get in trouble lmao what are you saying

You do realize that. If they just say you need to pay them the same amount. Then they have to pay the same amount? I don't think you could be more dense than this.

thats one sponsor, many sponsers will not willing sponser minors working, riot as a business should want every sponsor possible

dawg you cannot be this dense, there were tens of other sponsors during that time besides red bull lmao

10pm is a hard limit for minors for many countries, a long tech pause, a long series, and boom, players like zekken legally can no longer be allowed to playing and need to subbed out

Yeah except for the fact that the matches Less played in Europe went over 10 PM most of the time lmao and was still able to play the entirety.

Yeah children are paid at a rate lower than adults in normal jobs... There is no difficulty in enforcing that rule in esports dawg what are you talking about.

look at the times the event was run, do you know why they ended so early in the day? child labour laws.

I don't get what you're trying to say here, matches during Iceland ended around 7-10 PM in their local time lmao and matches now end much earlier.

What about sponsers? sponsering a leagues where they are minors working is another issue.

They had big ass sponsors like red bull during 2020-2022 where minors were allowed to play.

What happens if something like pacific kickoff happens where there is too long of a period where a minor is allowed to work? they would literally need to sub them off mid match

This just makes no sense

Dawg I'm talking about pre franchising lmao, Zekken and Less were playing all across Europe before and those rules would still be the same moving into franchising.

International LANs don't matter, players like Less and Zekken were still playing at LANs despite being under 18

Riot could've also chosen different countries to put their leagues, LA not only has labor laws but also has outrageous rent and other shit. Hundreds of ways to make the scene better and yet they don't do anything about it.

Deryeon joined DSG and immediately looked 10 times better while playing an off role

Child labor laws are much different in the West than it is in the East, In Korea there's not much of a difference between the hours you can work being 16 and over compared to being 18 and over.

Would've been top 3 pacific in 24 (probably top 4 after DRX's improvement during stage 2) if they kept their ascension roster, but ofc rito's age restriction blocking ascension team after ascension team.

“the sole reason I hate Indo teams --> the fans” - mulyindoindon

There’s clearly some behind the scenes going on, no shot the team would want Trexx back even if they were doing bad if Derke was telling the truth about him being “toxic”. Seems like they made a poor excuse for his removal, felt like betrayal to him, and now he finally got what he wanted.

Derke isn’t even top 3 on his team rn gng

Did you not read what I just said… ig being schizophrenic and not admitting it is a problem for you

I know you’re weird but bouncing on it cannot be that good

I sent that reply 10 minutes ago and just read the message now, if I was going to edit it then it would’ve said when I edited it lmao

No… you’re just weird

??? Are you schizo too? How am I going to edit something when I just read the message

Ew you’re weird and you’re schizo