CSGO boring | VLR.gg

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I love CS and been watching it religiously for the last 6 years but its so boring now. Like the hype just isint there, scene is becoming dead and stale. I used to get up early for majors and discuss on hltv but since switching to Valorant, I enjoy watching Val more than CSGO because the gameplay design is modern and it's fun to see insane movements from Raze and Jett players conpared to the typical smoke cat and run up long A on Dust 2.

Just an impartial opinion from a long term CS watcher.

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i kinda enjoy those matches honestly, and we havent even seen the legends stage matches. it will get more hype by every day

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It's more routine which makes it boring to watch nowadays. Literally every team can execute a site as the whole community knows how to smoke double doors in Dust 2 and push short A through Cat control etc... It becomes an aim duel battle with flashes mixed into it which isn't fun to watch for long periods of time.

Tarik can back on this opinion because he also said CS is more routine.

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I dont know how to smoke double doors on dust 2

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u just suck then

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i am gold nova 1

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u just suck then

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dust 2 has been out for like 20 years lmao

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i have 70 hours on cs i play val mostly

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unpopular opinion

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I love CS and been watching it religiously for the last 6 years but its so boring now. Like the hype just isint there, scene is becoming dead and stale. I used to get up early for majors and discuss on hltv but since switching to Valorant, I enjoy watching Val more than CSGO because the gameplay design is modern and it's fun to see insane movements from Raze and Jett players conpared to the typical smoke cat and run up long A on Dust 2.

Just an impartial opinion from a long term CS watcher.

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Wasted a whole minute to copy pasta.

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I love CS and been watching it religiously for the last 6 years but its so boring now. Like the hype just isint there, scene is becoming dead and stale. I used to get up early for majors and discuss on hltv but since switching to Valorant, I enjoy watching Val more than CSGO because the gameplay design is modern and it's fun to see insane movements from Raze and Jett players conpared to the typical smoke cat and run up long A on Dust 2.

Just an impartial opinion from a long term CS watcher.

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speak for yourself, i enjoy watching cs

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Well I clearly said opinion bud

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machine / spunji are better casters than all of Val combined x100.

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pansy owns them tho

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cap

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cap

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csgo promotes t*rrorism and dark depressing world. Should be banned from all countries.

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Valorant promotes sexualization of cartoon characters, therefore creating unrealistic expectations for young zoomers, immediate ban pls

edit: vlr doesn't understand sarcasm

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Ullyr

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this is more of a you thing lol

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how tf do u find val characters attractive ?? They are not human, surely ur either baiting or suffering from mental illness, if thats the case my condolences and pls seek help

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L valo owns ur dead shit game

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valorant is more enjoyable to watch content wise but cs is better to watch as a esport

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Subjective

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mauge67

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im pretty sure even the majority of valorant pros who follow or switched from cs and this forum agree

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still subjective? I like watching val more than cs and pretty sure there's many ppl like me including the OP

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ppl don't understand subjective opinions lol

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mauge67

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what does a "subjective" opinion mean a opinion is literally always subjective lmaooo and this has nothing to do with my point

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im sure there is 100%

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cs has a more competitive esport . But thats because its been mastered for so many years. Give valorant some time and it will be there too

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i never said which esports is better, for me val viewing exp is better than cs

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yeah that's subjective. I like watchig val more too

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cs still has better youtubers, but the streamers in val are a lot better imo

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Csgos fun if you play it once a while with your gang. Otherwise no

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CS is better for professional play because the game has been mastered but I agree it’s become a bit stale since nothings changed for years

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Personally, I think CS matches are consistent while Valorant has lower lows but higher highs because of the unpredictability. At least for me, pls no flame or me cry

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to me it will never have higher highs until they get passionate crowd on lan, hopefully that crowd won't be 80% of 13 yo kids with their moms

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did u see this? https://twitter.com/FionnOnFire/status/1522848324302217217

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I don't feel anything watching this tbh
in cs you can feel the energy coming from the crowd live as they are reacting to what is happening and not just some b roll footage of fans cheering after a round

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well its japan crowd

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it wouldn't change my point even if they were Brazilian

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well see when there is crowds at masters or champs.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1517640487858966528

I like this clip more. This was the match for Zeta to get into playoffs. Much more weight than the exhibition event but I'm still proud of Japan's attendance and commitment to valorant <3

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yeah this clip is better, made me smile a couple of times. It's still nowhere close to a lan with crowd to me (as a twitch viewer), but it's as good as it can get with the way riot is running their events so far I guess.
I like seeing Japan doing well in val too, it was honestly kinda sad to see how bad scarz was doing in cs

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Yea its pretty refreshing that everyone has more of an even playing field when it comes to a new game, especially with riot's global infrastructure. Just need crowds man...

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yes make this thread on vlr so that you will get super biased opinion

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CS takes on VLR will always be braindead exhibit no 9000

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I mean current games are like watching Full Sense vs Furia BO1's in Champions or even worse. Wait when the games actually become interesting with top teams fighting against each other.

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Ullyr

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I think reason why is cause you see same teams in same region dominating, Cs scene is getting smaller world wide in terms of competition. NA looking to be an absolute joke this major, yeah maybe something surprising will happen. Last year Navi getting their first major was a story built up for a while.

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philion

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every established Esports has a dominating region along with a complete shit region, wait for valo scene to find it's footing and it'll be more or less the same thing

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Ullyr

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it won't Riot isn't Valve. Valve fk up when they pretty much don't support any of their growing scenes worldwide. There was a time asian scene was into cs 1.6 and csgo. They didn't do anything to help Na cs now and orgs don't see the means to invest in the esports. Its pretty much EU region game in a couple of years the way its going. I like watching it back in the days where it feels like there's more competition overall globally.

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Look at LoL worlds dude, EU won the first one and from there on it's either china or korea, same with dota except EG won it in 2015 otherwise it's all EU and China, It's got nothing to do with riot or valve, the better region will come out on top and stay there

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but there is still regional leagues getting good viewership around the world. The msi has equal slots from all leagues whether you are from a competitive region or not

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philion

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it's League, so viewership will be good regardless, but that's irrelevant because I'm talking about the dominant region it's got nothing to do with viewership

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The matches are still fun to watch because you see different regions bring out their best to play in the tournament. And that's when you get some dream runs under dog teams that might not get them the trophy , but still super exciting to watch

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yeah lcs with 70k viewers are killing it kekw

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i think lcs peaked at 200k or something for the finals

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400k , just checked

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finals are 5% of the total tournament matches

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still better than non-existent regions in cs

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I think Shooters are super popular now and is a growing trend with games like fortnite, apex, valorant, overwatch, csgo, pubg, crossfire being play by pretty much every country. There are great aimers and ppl that can shoot world wide. They just need good org and support to work on teamplay and they can compete. Ik moba is also popular but idk how much it has been in recent years.

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Bro just said moba isn't popular now when just a few months ago worlds had a peak viewership of 73 mill, thats more than NBA finals, I was arguing with a dumbass all this time.
Edit: Nice job editing your post bro :)

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Its popular in asian region lmao obviously which is why china korea will dominate. I said it at the end of the post , i didn't know you can't read lmao. Compared that with NA/Brazil/EU its really not as popular as it was back then. Valorant will be pretty popular world wide.

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yeah, good job editing your post atleast you realized you sounded stupid af, and you just contradicted yourself with this reply so gr8 job again

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Ullyr

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i watched league since season 2 lol Ik how popular it was man. Its literally the first big esports that blew up and even mainstream ppl know about it and some of the pros. As of now its really popular in asia, growth is slow or nonexistent in a lot of other regions. Riot still won't let the scene or game die out though and that's my point with riot/valve.

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EG vs 100T was a banger LCS final and it didn't even cross 500k, that's low for LoL standards, it's close to dead in NA just like CS but the dominant region is asia rather than EU.

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There will be dominating regions. But that doesn't mean letting a region die out like what valve did. Japan was bad at valorant for 3 consecutive lans. But look what happened now

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philion

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I mean, if you're shit you're shit. NA's dota, LoL and CS scenes are all in the mud but they weren't always bad but It's bound to happen once we have an established scene

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being shit doesn't mean kicking down the region even more. Giving chances is the only way to improve the region

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philion

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ofc there should be chances, and there were. RMRs are a thing if you didn't know and every team from tier 5 to tier1 gets a chance to qualify,

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yep, 2 slots for literally half the population of the world

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philion

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I mean they're not gonna waste slots for teams who simply don't deserve to be there, this is not charity lil bro, it's one of the most fierce competitions in all esports don't get it twisted

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do you watch sports? the fifa world cup for example

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philion

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dude you're making no sense, more than 200 countries play the fifa qualifiers and only 32 go through, it's even harder in FIFA, make it make sense

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If you're talking about NA slots for CS major, they don't deserve more than 2 slots, giving slots to trash teams is just gonna water down the competition and make a shitty tournament

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Asia

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Not much different than NA, they're simply not good enough so why waste slots on them when teams like BNE exists

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hekzy

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yeah but giving chances means you just lower the competition. thats why valomegalulrant is all just garbage ex csgo bots still

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L BOZO

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excellent argument.

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I bet you hate game changers too

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hekzy

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nope i love gamechangers. its very important that esports become more approachable/attractive for women. its not important that it appeases losers/participation trophy holders

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it is important. The fifa world cup is a prime example

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did you seriously compare football to esports? Also have you seen uefa CL? 5 countries get 5 instant spots and the rest fight for the other spots in qualifiers.

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Its only a matter of time until the korean overlords take over Valorant as well.

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Ullyr

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maybe not korea, in valorant the only scene that is slow to growth actually is korea atm. Seem like japan is way more interested in valorant.

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Nah bro, last Major and Katowice were literally some of the best esports events ever, just wait for Legends Stage & it will be just as hype again. Obviously the hype isn't there at the moment when Astralis goes 16-2 vs an entirely unknown asian team or NA get's absolutely destroyed by EU again.

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Last major has huge hype because Navi storyline of winning their first major has been a thing for a long time. That plus there hasn't been a major in nearly like 2 years since covid ?

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Katowice 2022 literally exists

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Exactly lmao, faze came outta nowhere, two teams with no regional fanbase and viewership was still solid.

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Wasted a whole minute to write that.

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valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism so need child game to relax

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I am just gonna wait for MSI sooo in the meantime every esports is enjoyable

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Old cs was better

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lmao

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