SEA > NA | VLR.gg

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PrTsty

Dumbest take I've ever heard and I see it here daily, just stfu, SEA didnt do shit in masters 2 and 3, they won against NV who was playing absolutely bad, victor had covid and played like dog. Then in their second group they had to only beat crazy raccoons and vikings who were like the worst teams in the tournament. SEA had 2 top 8 teams and the other one got last in groups while NA got one top 8 teams and 2 teams that were top 12, SEN was a group with KRU and TL who easily made top 4 and you wanna tell me that SEN and C9 < X10 and Team Secret?

Please shut up and use your brain, APAC has a lot to prove before they can even be called a top 3 region

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Agreed

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Ratio

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I dont see why people overrated sea so much. Each subregion of sea only has a couple of good teams

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x10 won a map against gambit, envy didnt even without covid, plus x10 beat envy fair and square stop brining up excuses

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That X10 doesnt even exist anymore lol
Vikings almost beat gambit but they gigachocked, so vikings > NV?
Dont get me wrong X10 was the better team but NV was not in top form and even if they were X10 was still behind SEN and C9. X10 came back in a super close game stop acting like SEA stomped the shit out of NV

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that x10 does exist, its the same team with a different name (Xerxia) plus multiple sources have already revealed x10 beat sen in scrims, asuna himself has said on stream that prx defeated 100T back in masters 3 during scrims too and 2 out of 3 sea teams qualified for playoffs while only 1 did from NA

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X10 lost the best player in the entire region

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sueYA

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kekw do you even know about sea region? he def wasnt the best here (yes was a beast and among the most hyped)

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PrTsty

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Internationally he had the best performances and carried his team, f0rsaken was also a besst but they didnt get far. Either ways it was easily their best player and X10 are a lot weaker now

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sueYA

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umm they are not weaker, in fact they are looking much stronger now than they were during champions, before champions began x10 was struggling slightly and still put up a good performance but now they are on a winning streak

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who was, then? There is no world where Patiphan was "definitely" not the best in the SEA region during Champs. Arguably, sure.

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Victoriei

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Best player in the region lool

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xd

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carl123

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he is the real prodigy in both Valorant and OW and proved himself in both games already, Isn't enough to be the best yet ?

"AT THAT TIME" he was the best val player (duelist) in SEA

but recently, f0rsaken era is coming, Also waiting for Surf to prove himself

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100t beat gambit and their tier 2 in na rn

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Zephyros

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i wouldnt agree rn cause their igl and smoker left and now 100t just arent that gud team anymore

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Prtsty finally good take after years of missing

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Seriously, NA > SEA

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makoidk

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i do agree NA is still above APAC, but i believe APAC (south) is the 3rd best region

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makoidk

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whya re you booing me im right
NA EU
APAC KR SA
JP
but i guess you can exchange APAC KR and SA

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sueYA

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NA=EU is the dumbest shit ive heard in a while

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makoidk

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its supposed to be like a tier list, I know ofc EU is better, i just put NA first

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Tier list is supposed to be in order?

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Zephyros

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lol also y r people classifying sa and apac as a separate region like ok now add th and sg and my/sg and ph and hk/tw lol of u wana compare sa as diff

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they are talking about south america

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its south america not south asia

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south am

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W but X10 > SEN , ez win in scrim
no idea about C9

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373washoooi

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I agree with you but why did you bring up masters 2 and 3

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PrTsty

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Because thats longtime results, people are basing SEA > NA just because of one tournament and even then I dont think that SEA was better than NA but u could argue SEA was slightly better at champs. But that doesnt make them.the stronger region

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bruc

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lol that a year ago where everyone was new

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carl123

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You have to judge by based on recent results since they all can improve themselves and CHAMPION proved that SEA had improved a lot.It's just a simple logic LMAO

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373washoooi

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Then it just implies that NA has better overall standings compared to SEA but does it make them the stronger region? but I still agree that NA > SEA

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PrTsty

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Im trying to say that SEA fans are trying to put SEA over NA solely based of them.having 2 top 8 teams in champs, and even at champs NA has performed overall better, only downside NA had in comparison to SEA wss the super close NV vs X10 game

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bruc

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so we can't have a opinion?

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PrTsty

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Saying SEA > NA is truly delusional

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bruc

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true, but living in the past is more delusional

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i wont call it delusional but just an opinion not a fact

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says the 100T fan

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PrTsty

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ah yes supporting a team = delusional

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most 100t fans are delusional after all + sea better than NA rn, and the present is all that matters

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kristof

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stop living in the past
NA is dogshit rn
we only care about recent results
not results in the last one and half year…
SEA > NA

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PrTsty

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Kirstof your baits have never been good

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kristof

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bcz it’s not a bait

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sueYA

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this wasnt even a bait, its fact

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If Champions groups were equal, there would be 2 NA and 1 SEA in playoffs (C9, SEN, X10)

Every sane guy knows that Secret fluked because of BR/JP teams in their group + every sane guy knows that SEN got lower result than they deserved, because TL and KRU both semifinalists

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Olofboost back at spitting facts

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373washoooi

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then does it mean that TS also got lower result than they deserved because they only lost to eventual grand finalists going by your logic

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Are you implying Secret was stronger than SEN at Champions? Because I find that very hard to believe in.

SEN still a solid top-4/5 team in NA, no matter what you say, they are not THAT bad.
Secret failed to make it to APAC (failed to become top-3 in PH), which definitely makes me think that Secret results at Champions were much more than they should have got.

Also Action PH finished 3 spots above Secret in PH, and this same Action PH got fucking destroyed 13-3 13-5 by Full Sense, lmao.

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bruc

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because everyone in ph got better

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Olofboost

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In NA teams got better too, we would never think V1 and Guard would become this good

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bruc

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okay you got me

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373washoooi

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I'm just implying that your logic doesn't really justify the teams' power standings because you're basing it on results but I wholeheartedly agree that NA > SEA.

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sueYA

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before champions yall were calling KRU/Latam bad too? but now its a hard team? average NA hopiums

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Olofboost

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KRU also overperformed but they won SEN and Fnatic, very fucking decent teams

Secret won bad teams, lost to grand-finalists and you SEA copiums use this as a justification

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bruc

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lost to only the campions

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PrTsty

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Gambit werent the champions bruv what?

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acend?

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No hate to any region but I literally don't see C9, The Guard, and V1 losing to any SEA team. I could be wrong as we need to see it in Masters to have a good view but I really can't think of much facts to say SEA > NA

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PrTsty

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The only team we saw that could keep up with NA was X10 but that team has changed a lot

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sueYA

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"keep up with NA" why would anyone want to keep up with NA, SEA is definitely>>NA (not emea tho)

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carl123

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APAC Group stage hasnt started yet, it's just only play-ins. How could you know that ?

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bruc

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right?

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bruc

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the only one are like T2 team lol

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DeluluGavin

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I have been following the regional challengers and as i have said, could be wrong until we see masters. and so far, NA just looks better from open qual to group stage compared to SEA regional challengers. No need to get so worked up

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OMEGALUL

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DeluluGavin

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yeap i deserve this. HAHAHAH but the guard tho o.0
(well done finding this thread and replying to this msg)

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sueYA

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END OF DISCUSSION BONKERS SAID SEA>>NA and that they are glad to be part of apac region rather than Near Airport

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PrTsty

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Bonkers is not SEA

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sueYA

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I didnt say bonkers is sea? read bro

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inlucid

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sea fans will get reality checked in Reykjavik 2022 just like brazilians in Reykjavik 2021

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fax. SEA needs to perform better than NA in a few more intl tourneys to be considered better than NA. but honestly if they keep working hard,i can see them putting a challenge against NA teams in the future

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arguments from both sides valid (na> cuz larger sample size, history of doing well & sea> cuz recent results). we will see but i still got my money on na performing better

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thatpower

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sea claiming how they are better than na by beating vikings and cr lmfao

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carl123

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Why can't ? Even BR lost to everyone, They're also claiming that BR is top 3 in the world. KEKW

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PrTsty

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Im saying BR will be 3rd never said they are nor that they proved they are

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carl123

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No, I meant many threads in vlr.gg, BR ppl still keep saying that BR>SEA or BR is top 3 in the world even they're worse than SEA rn.

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thatpower

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True

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Quackyquack

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honestly, by using the same logic, LATAM>NA &SEA since KRU managed to beat NA and EMEA and reached semis, smtg both NA & SEA failed to do lol

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bruc

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facts

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Zephyros

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honestly i think no region except emea is overall better than another
i think some teams r better than others and there are factors to consider like momentum/bad game/great game for a team
pro play is in a situation rn where no region is clearly above another and thats wut a like it keeps thisngs interesting
some teams might be having a good game against another and some might not so u cant assume anything yet we need more tourneys

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bruc

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thank god someone has a brain, thank you kind gentleman

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W comment

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Oh yeah for sure every region can have a team that pops off and gets a win or just an overall insane team, that doesnt mean that a region cant be bettee than another. Also I never stated that SEA cant win againts NA, they can and they will win games every now and then, especially in valorant most teams can beat anyone

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Stop living in the past delusional fanboys. Stop living in the past. It is time to embrace the truth. SEA>NA. Rejoice. You feel that? It is the power of knowledge. Knowledge is power. Truth is knowledge. The truth I have to share for you is that SEA>NA. Now go on to live your lives and conquer the world with this new found knowledge. Amen.

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NA content > all region
just content XD

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For now NA is definitely better than SEA but the gap between them is very very slim imo. Masters 1 will tell the full story.

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EMEA
NA
WHATEVER REGIONS ARE LEFT
no hate to other regions but these 2 are ahead of every other region.

Downvote all u want idgaf

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Plus1, BR will turn up big this year, in general it will be a crazy year for val so lets see what happens, but NA wont grt kicked out of the top 3 that quickly

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Ikr x10C the best team in SEA at the time with the best SEA player(who left btw) only beat NV, because victor had Covid and played like shit. I swear vlr is full of retards.

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ah yes covid excuse, meanwhile TL nievera got covid too but they still made it to semifinal.
EMEA>NA>SA>SEA

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PrTsty

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bro thats not how covid works, Nivera said himself that he had no symptomps and that he only tested positivie, he had covid 2 weeks before the event

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who cares? its not that important to argue about. masters is right around the corner and we will see who is better than who.

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no ratio + im better than both

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Every apac team soloverse all the shitty regions 🤪😝🤑💦

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when can we see just a day where nobody argues who is the better/worse regions ffs.

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Carthage_Er_Pola

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yeah bro you're absolutely right!!! victor had covid so they lost!

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Up

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Uppp

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apac >> na

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ItsMeDio

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Yeah!
Victor are COVID?

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dapada

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KEKW

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SEA>NA SIT TF DOWN

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luckypleb

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Yeah right! and also NA>>>>EMEA 👍👍👍

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aged well kekw

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373washoooi

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bump

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LMAOOOOOO

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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inlucid

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im sorry sea i didn't believed in sushiboys supremacy

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CrimsonPride

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ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Marcusgeez

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you tell me bud

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Foxz brain bigger than FNS confirmed

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RG

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No covid this time OMEGALUL

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L BOZO

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L BOZO

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LMAOOO. Victor covid, 2-1 OG, Victor no covid optic 2-0 kkkkkkkkkkkkk

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S3V3N

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Lol nt bro

#129

StockfishZ

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Aged like fine absolute milk

#130

Strafe7

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Not even apac just thailand is better than na lol

#131

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This threads did not age well

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Dumbest take I've ever heard and I see it here daily, just stfu, SEA didnt do shit in masters 2 and 3, they won against NV who was playing absolutely bad, victor had covid and played like dog. Then in their second group they had to only beat crazy raccoons and vikings who were like the worst teams in the tournament. SEA had 2 top 8 teams and the other one got last in groups while NA got one top 8 teams and 2 teams that were top 12, SEN was a group with KRU and TL who easily made top 4 and you wanna tell me that SEN and C9 < X10 and Team Secret?

Please shut up and use your brain, APAC has a lot to prove before they can even be called a top 3 region

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not better but definitely on par with NA

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Sure

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oops

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A rare PrTsty L, which seems to be turning more common

#138

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Wdym more common, I'm barely on this site these days

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And this is why you don't talkshit

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That's only Thailand that's part of APAC vs NA lmao

#139

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L KEKW

#140

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daily L for 100T fans

#142

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common L

#143

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L

#144

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L?

#146

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irrelevant taking L's

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The fog is coming

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L

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L

#149

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mmm wait

#151

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الضباب قادم

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.

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L?

#154

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Looks like it aged like wine.

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Antarticas better.. Both from NA and sea