Wardell and steel

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nayakshubham

I have just 2 things to say.
1) It has been a usual thing to judge people on just 1 match/map. Wardell has the best ACS as well as K/D as a chamber in the open qualifier.
2) If u forget T1 literally had 2 advantages a) Ping ( Just go to T1 vs TSM VOD ) b) Coach's Extra Input and Unethical moves.

Reminder this is not regarding TSM or any other members or Wardell in TSM. It is just about the players. Don't waste your time discussing on that.

And Regarding Subroza. I am going to be Biased cause i'm his biggest fan. But stop judging him as well. I know he was little more than active on social media after the T1 match and he just underperformed in the matches against Knights. Again you can check his overall performance and ACS was top 3 Astra in open quals.
Thank You and requesting you all to send only opinions and not memes and hate.

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ZoldyK

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CHECKS OUT

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chloeburbank

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common ZolgyK w

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Arisqq

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haters are going to hate bro and they hate even more bc its TSM https://twitter.com/Corey_OW/status/1488006272591007748 https://imgur.com/a/kZ8kWgV

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nayakshubham

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XD

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AltonBu02

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There's always going to be haters when you are a big org, but I was hoping that at least some TSM fans would understand that their team (everyone besides Corey) acted like a bunch or crybabys this qualifier. The nickname Babydell has more meaning now.

Corey's chill though and there should never be any hate thrown around, just banter.

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Blazieboy

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I don't think nobody hates any team as much as Sentinels and especially Shahzam

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Gaeman

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1/8 bait

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maximumszn

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3/8

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kocunar

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Wardell is great

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Netero

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L steel was shitting on him no one cares about Wardell's round of 128 stats

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Vuzy

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TSM fans care cause they were playing against the teams thats on the same tier with TSM KEKW

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nayakshubham

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IG every team played only 1 round of 128. Wdym He got 128 stats?
Like atleast make some sense.

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Netero

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Bro I just checked the stats he's not even top 30 in ACS so what are you even on about bruv?
K/D doesn't mean shit this ain't cod, he dies less because he baits and saves op. Steel also plays sova and he IGLs of course his shit is gonna be lower but in their game Steel was owning him.

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nayakshubham

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???

You know how to use filter right?
IG not :(

BTW Removed the Round of 128 and round of 64 performances as well

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Netero

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Wait this just proves Steel is way more valuable, IGL and look at the FK rate compared to Wardell's low FK because he baits.

#31

nayakshubham

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So you are not denying the fact that atleast wardell has better ACS and K/D. THanks proved my point.

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Netero

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Steel is the better Chamber because of the much higher FK, Wardell brings less value to the team. K/D doesn't mean a thing in tactical shooters, he just dies less because he baits and saves op. Learn the game

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I guess Average Combat score does bring value to the game. As how much impact you had put in the Fragging department but you won't understand cause you are a lil kid with smol Brain

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Vuzy

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Normally yes but since he is an oper what do you expect him to have? 1 shot 1 kill already lmao there is nothing special with that

#46

Netero

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Baiting your team for kills and exit frags with op isn't impressive nor valuable, NT.

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Leave it man not worth your time arguing with braindead haters

#80

nayakshubham

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Well I have never met Akrew Fans until now.

continue thread →

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you are completely braindead. Steel has higher First Kills per round than Wardookie and like 6 Average combat score lower which is negligible. On top of that a higher KAST. So not only does he outright do a better job than Wardell on the same agent, he provides more impact per round AND he is the IGL for a much better team than TSM. Overall, just a player differential. Wardell has a high K:D ratio because he saves his op when TSM throw rounds and he also baits his team. Im not gonna deny that he can clutch up really well, but your whole point about ACS and K:D are absolutely low-brain. You completely just outed yourself as an annoying iron TSM fanboy who truly knows nothing about the game and your entire brain cavity is totally empty. Get better and learn what you are actually talking about or shut your fucking mouth you low elo goblin.

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nayakshubham

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LMAO bro wanna 1v1 anyday? Hahahahahahhahaa

continue thread →

#89

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It matters but not for an opper.

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why 40 min rounds? XSET literally owned their bracket and i see dephh on the top of the list. TSM being bad doesn't make other tier 1 teams bad as well you know right?

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Netero

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Yeah this guy's weird probably calls Wardell daddy in his chat and gifts subs

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goes to Throwing Salary Machine

#34

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No bro you misunderstood. Your Mom calls me DAD.

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nt (not tenz)

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BatChest?

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grandfather confimed?

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nayakshubham

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Spitting Facts or wot.

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chloeburbank

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yeah bro wardell was insane is the game against girl kissers

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AhsanX

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Cope that rat can only cheat

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Bait quality is decreasing day by day , fellow bosnians please do something .. 0/8 btw

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ciro

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Netero needs to come back to baiting cuz these guys suck at it

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chloeburbank

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no matter how good a player is/u think is if they dont show results its pointless.

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matarab16

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they are secretly lovers, it's all fine

#26

wizardbot

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Opinion is you shouldn't care so much what a bunch of randos are saying about your favourite player lmao

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No Cap

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The ping diff is just an excuse. Pure COPIUM.
Nerdstreet has already released an official statement saying there was no ping advantage for T1 and that they chose the optimal equidistant server. Go read the article

And as for the coach calling thing. Stop using that excuse too. You're pretending like T1 used some cheats. I've read a lot of pros' takes on it and turns out a lot of teams do this. People like Lothar have said it openly too, just that they don't get caught. And TSM aren't a bunch of morally superior beings so I'm willing to bet they were probably doing the same thing with their coach, just didn't get caught

And even if we do consider this excuse valid, what is you excuse for TSM getting owned by Knights? Or getting 2-0'd by Akrew ?

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Knights and Akrew played better as a team.

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Nah Kanpeki > Wardell. Kanpeki plays with the team and Wardell sits back.

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Steel > Wardell. Steel plays with the team and Wardell sits back.

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true, this is a TEAM GAME so akrew and knights better overall

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Imagine defending cheaters

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how does the TSMAGNUM DONG taste on your tongue? you swallow too?

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MilanTheMyth

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Copium
open qualifier ACS doesn't matter if you still loose.
you all are luck T1 was disqualified

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Says a LG FAN LMFAO

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at least we ain't coping with excuse

Liquid owns u any day.

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There is no doubt that Steel was shitting on Wardell when it mattered. 4-4 against each other on Split, but Steel had 10 first bloods. Seven had more impact than Wardell on Icebox. It sucked to see as a TSM fan because I 100% expected the opposite. Sure, it's hard to op when you're tired, but no excuses.

TSM is not managing their economy well at all. Wardell saving for an op one round is so much better than him buying two bulldogs. Steel and Seven won the early fights and got their economy going, but Wardell couldn't recover because his team kept force buying. I could also count the number of times he saved the op in this qualifier on one hand. Hazed used to manage that shit well, but all these young guys just tilt buy. Need to see some improvement there.

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TSM = Team Save MyOP

P.S. you're the only TSM fan I've encountered who is willing to admit their teams faults and actually being mature about it

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Probably the last one as well

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i try my best to be realistic, glad we can have mature conversation on an internet forum lol. i know saving an op is a tsm stereotype, but it would have helped them so much to do it more this past qualifier. until corey gets fully comfortable with his aim and rossy develops some actual strats over time, we need wardell locking down one side of the map with levi there to set him up. those two work well together. that's our win condition.

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Agreed
TSM need more set plays and strats that involve utility combos and teamwork
Their games felt like just them trying to 1v1 the enemies

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they refuse to use utility and instead just walk dry into sites. wardell/subroza either get an opener or TSM doesn't win the round. zero "set plays" as you mentioned, no coordinated site hits with perfect utility combos and nerd shit like that. they default and look for picks every. single. round. they rarely changed the pace. hopefully their coach can point that out (and whatever else my relatively dumb ass missed) so rossy realizes it.

assuming they review vods at all...

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LOL yes I remember the first 4 rounds of TSM vs Akrew on fracture. They just walked dry into A site from A main without clearing dish once or trying to bait out any enemy utility. Just made it easier for Akrew to retake. And they did the same thing 4 times in a row. It took an ace from wardell for them to even get a round.

Hope Rossy and his coach can step it up

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TSM is actually Lacking Map understanding as a team.

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i wanted to cry watching them send five people through A halls every round on fracture. rossy should know better.

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Time is what's going to speak about TSM.

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juno_VLR

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ill be upset if they don't qualify this week, but ultimately im not gonna completely give up on this roster iteration unless they fail to qualify for either main event this year. actually, even if they don't qualify, as long as i see them putting in work in smaller tournaments, i'll be okayyyyy. would be fun to see wardell shit on tier2 teams every weekend.

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Hahahahhahaha I love your opinions man XD

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we are in the same phase right now. lets holding hands we can go through this together

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Bro I feel all your pains being a TSM Fan XD

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I totally agree with you. HOPIUM IS STILL IN STOCK I Guess. XD

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They can literally ball out and qualify next time if they just don't tilt force up, and they figure out how to use Wardell better. It felt like they had him holding angles that were much too passive. The only success we had last year was when Wardell had over 100 first bloods. Subroza had more first bloods than Wardell this qualifier.

also they have to take the games seriously, don't pick troll agents/maps, and not get stuck in one playstyle. which should be obvious, but apparently not with TSM recently.

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Yup!

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nice bait

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steel was playing on higher ping lmao. nt tho

#72

AhsanX

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Half of these TSM haters are braindead 10 years old kids that don't know shit about game and talk out of their arses

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dexter000111

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Half of these TSM fans are braindead 10 years old kids that don't know shit about game and talk out of their arses

(Not you Juno_VLR. We're cool)

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AhsanX

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Even though they are 10 years old they still know more than you

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dexter000111

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ok tier 3 team fan 😀👌

#78

AhsanX

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Cope 100 trash will get shat on soon. Nitro left and Asuna alone can't carry that 50 year old baiter.

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dexter000111

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ok "team that wont even make it to playoffs" fan 😀👌

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nayakshubham

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Wait Mf

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and people downvoted me lmao

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ihsazal

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Come on bro , let him cry. Don't put more salt on his wound.

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juno_VLR

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i was about to comment the exact thing, u got to it first i see

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ciro

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thats a nice description for many of their fans too

#82

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A 100Timeout is all you are going to get in playoffs

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nt but that doesn't even mean anything

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A 100T fan won't understand. Thats the thing

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juno_VLR

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100Times tsm out every time we face them sadly