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Tuyz defenders come

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#1
Liwus

I've seen some ppl defending him lately on twitter, even saying that Loud shouldn't have brought Pancada back to play smokes, saying that Tuyz was doing fine on controller, all because he won some 5 clutches in 2 years, so I decided to show you some stats.

Controller Average Stats for Brimstone + Astra + Omen + Harbor (all time):

Player - K/D ---- Average Damage per Round --- Rating 2.0 --- Kast

  1. Pancada - 1.19 --- 134.2 --- 1.13 --- 76%
  2. s0m - 1.16 --- 135.1 --- 1.11 --- 77%
  3. Mako - 1.15 --- 135.0 --- 1.14 --- 78%
  4. Ange1 - 1.14 --- 131.6 --- 0.98 --- 73%
  5. Boo - 1.10 --- 126.6 --- 1.10 --- 75%
  6. Khalil - 1.02 --- 118.0 --- 1.00 --- 75%
  7. Melser - 1.00 --- 120.9 --- 0.99 --- 74%
  8. Tuyz - 0.98 --- 115.5 --- 1.03 --- 75%
  9. Mindfreak 0.98 --- 113.6 --- 0.94 --- 71%
  10. Boaster 0.95 --- 113.1 ---- 0.95 --- 73%

Aspas' average just for fun (Jett + Raze + Reyna + Neon) all time:

KD: 1.32
ADR: 167.7
Rating 2.0: 1.23
Kast: 75%

Observations:

  1. I know that stats don't tell everything, but they do tell a lot.
  2. Most players haven't played harbor enough (only 5+ games with the agent got on the list)
  3. Some pros got made or unmade by a specific agent performance (Ange1 has great stats on Astra, Mindfreak terrible stats on Harbor), because it was not an weighted average.
  4. Tried to select players that went through different metas
  5. Picked the stats that I think are more relevant
#2
kuruk
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pancada is better than tuyz? holy shit

#3
Liwus
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Water is wet kinda statement but it has to be made from time to time

#4
Sk00d
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tuyz > pancada, stats in this game don't matter for shit

#5
TraditionalFlyer
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They should have released him instead of making the guy swap roles every season

#9
Liwus
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yeah, they should've released him as soon as Pancada was avaiable

#6
z12
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ange1>tuyz with regards to fragging 😭 ?

#7
Liwus
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Ange1 dies a lot but he also does a considerable amount of damage

#11
z12
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how does the list look if we only look at 2022 and onwards?

#12
Liwus
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I got stats from vlr and their only parameters are last 30, 90 days or all I think, would have to manually search or get data from somewhere else

#8
SleepingSnorlax
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I would defend pancada amigo than Tuyz

#10
ASTEROIDCHILD
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it dont matter bro lukxo is gonna replace tuyz and take loud to the promised land

#14
Liwus
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I'm not big on Lukxo, and he is actually replacing Less, so it is a downgrade either way, but he wil prob perform better than Tuyz

#13
cloudberry
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Have you considered impact? He's not only insane with his utility and almost always seems to find impact with it, but he's also super slippery with his positioning, as some who've played against him in ranked have attested to here before.

Also, why does he need to have good stats? He had aspas, cauan, and Less on his team, and now he has dgzin... his job has never been to frag out, but to be a very excellent role player. And he has been.

All of this is assuming he's on controller, by the way. I don't think he quite understands where he needs to play or how to use his utility when put in other roles, and frankly the only reason he's not on smokes is because LOUD decided to resign pANcada instead of getting an actual duelist last year (nothing against him though).

#16
Liwus
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As I stated in the observations, I know some things can't be measured (half of these players were also IGLing, as an example), but I feel like Tuyz is a lot like Khalil, but when it comes to Khalil everyone knows he has some great games and then goes unnoticed for a large number of them, when it comes to Tuyz, they tend to forget the lows.

#15
Raphou13300
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I mean poor tuyz bro got forced to play almost every role without really much asking him for 2 season like man smokes to duelist to sentinel. Bro become a big flex and you can just respect that he does what his team want

#17
Conceit
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Why did you rank it by kd and not rating? Rating isn't the best metric but surely it's better than k/d. I mean if you reorder this by rating than tuyz is 5th

#21
Liwus
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Well, short answer is because I wanted to, but the reasoning is because I dont know what rating takes into consideration, but I think it considers some redudant stats and ones that are not role appropriated. Assists as an example is a fraud stats in my book, specially when it comes to controllers (if someone goes through a smoke and die you get an assist), while a initiator getting an assist probably has more meaning.

#18
kfan4238173
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All time stats are awful because tuyz played controller in only tier 1 franchising games

You should know that pancadas stats include random no name teams he beat up

#20
Liwus
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all valorant stats are a bit trash anyway, ppl play 40 maps/year

#19
vctscrims
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ok

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