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Wayley early thoughts

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#1
Anguibok

Hi vlr, today I want to open the debate on Wayley, I want to know if you think she will be strong or not, here is 3 thought about Wayley :

Way(ley) too early thoughts : https://youtu.be/6pcCw_5wpjA

tldw ;

  • Her backdash will be good against trap sentinels and be a good answer to doble sentinel composition
  • Her operator isn't that good, she can't instant backdash after an operator shoot, don't overate it
  • Z-axis / verticality agent, were always strong, Jett, Raze and Omen where always top pick, Chamber destroyed the meta, and the last other instance of z-axis agent was Sage
  • She might be good, but I need to figure out how to enter with her.

I want to know your thought about her, what are your opinion ? What she will be good at ? Bad at ? Will she be meta ? If yes on wish map ?

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delighted
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unrelated but Idgaf which agents will be meta as long as Ascent isn't just mirror comps

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AfterGlow22
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Vyse and Breach are going to be played often in Ascent, mark my words

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Anguibok
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Really ? Why so ?

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AfterGlow22
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Vyse counters dive agents like Jett and Wayley really dang well and even when its up against a Duelist like Yoru, Vyse still stalls execs and pushes really nicely. Breach/Tejo meta is still really strong, but I can still se the Sova being used on Ascent. Breach is being used on Abyss, so why not on Ascent where the map is much easier for the agent to manoeuvre?

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seofps
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without breach though, theres not going to really be a flash unless yoru is used.

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Anguibok
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Because Kayo is better than Breach ?

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I think she can be a great agent in ranked because you can just run it down on your whole attack half and in ranked people won't have enough awareness or knowledge to counter wayley's entries especially considering how strong tejo is, you just cannot hold sites against her. On defense she is quite bad imo because she doesn't bring anything interesting for 80% of the round except when it comes to retakes, because you can basically run a strong exec that will be quite efficient. In pro play I think she's a one and done because why would you play her instead of Jett or Yoru. I can see one (1) case where she's interesting in officials and even then it'll be a one and done. Personally I won't play her because I'm too comfortable on Jett, especially considering opping on Wayley is not good. Some might think she's a cool alternative to raze, time will say but I doubt it

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Anguibok
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You dont afraid in ranked whe will get killed before having her weapon in her hand ?

#18
MrBlooBloom
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I am but she's so fast and chaotic that as long as the anchor cannot be specifically focused on waylay and doesn't have much space to play in it will not be too big of an issue

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Anguibok
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script :

Hi vlr, today we are obvisouly gonna talk the new agent Waylaw, and I want to give 3 early thougt about her. But before starting a quick reminder of her spell in case you didn’t has read the spell yet :

  • Waylay, have one spell that allow you to do 2 dash in a raw
  • A spell that allow you to backdash safely if you reactivate it, a little bit like a Pheonix ult with the exception than if you die, you die, you have to reactivate it to actually backdash.
  • Her last spell apply in a zone a new debuff named « Hindering » that basically slow everything even your jump speed.
  • A finally ultimate also apply Hindering in a large zone, but also give you a mouvement speed buff

First thing I want to say is that : it seems that her backdash ability is an amazing counter to trap sentinels, you can trigger all their abilities and still backdash safely. You gonna say Yoru can do that too, but thats not really true because it takes 0,5 second for Yoru to be safe, and it’s largely enough time to die, and if I understand correctly, for Wayley it’s gonna be the same casting-time as Chamber : 0,1 second before being safe, so it will be more doable in her case than in Yoru’s case.

So yeah : 1st thougt, she counter every trap sentinel, Deadlock, Vyze, Killjoy, maybe a little bit less Cypher because triggerring Cypher trap doesnt destroy them anymore. And she may be the correct answer to doble sentinel composition.

Next we’ve got Operator, i’ve seen people says that she may be a strong operator but i’m not fuly sure of that, for exemple Jett can keep a lign for long and press her dash if she hear something, she will hold the lign during the full process, always ready to kill. If you want to use operator with Waylay backdash, thats mean you can’t keep the lign at the moment you press the button, so basically you have to keep a lign, go back if you hear people, press the button and and retaking your lign, and this sounds a really bad use of the ability. But they are a 2nd way you can operator with Waylay ability, you can use your dobledash to repositionning yourself after an operator shoot, but the feasability will eavily depend on the ekip-time of the spell, and it may be too long to be efficient. If it’s 0.8 second like majority of spell it will be way too long, and you better walk out the lign, then use your dash, kinda as an Omen could do with his teleport.

So 2nd thougt : Waylay is not Jett prime, she may even not be a top agent to play operator. Using the backdah mean you can’t keep a lign the full round and you have to peak on an almost perfect good timing with a weapon that is not really good to take a peak, and using the frontdash mean you will probably have to shoot, then walk out of the lign, then dash, wish is ok but not optimal.

Finally I want to speak about ability that gives Z axis to agent, aka vercitality agent, because it’s an underated subject, among the 10 agent coming from beta, 4 of them have a spell that allow you to play on the Z axis, among thoose 4 agent, you have the most picked controler ever : Omen, and the 2 most used duelist ever Jett and Raze. After beta, Riot has never release an agent that have verticality, except one : Chamber, that just destroyed the meta. And so we arrive today with Waylay that is release and she can indeed play on Z axis. So I’m not saying she will be broken only because she can play on z axis, no it’s obviously not enough to be a good agent, but I think it’s an important point especially for duelist. Duelist are usually not that good in defense, but playing on Z-axis help you to find new position that other agent can’t take, to surprise your opponent.

So 3rd thougt : The fact Waylay can use Z-axis is a good sign of her being good, because verticality ability may be one of the key for a duelist, especially in defense where they have less impact, and you have to compensate it by surpising you opponent, by being in a spot that few agent can access.

So in conclusion maybe I’ll change my mind in 2 weeks, but my early thougt on Waylay is to think she might be strong. Having z-axis spell is a good basis, and being able to rollback if she gets trapped is a good point.
But everything will depend on the answer of the question « How you enter on site with her ? », with only dobledash ? Meaning you will not have your weapon in hand, and no landing smoke like Jett. With only backdash activated, that isnt really a diver spell. Or with both ? but they synergise poorly. We will see in the future. But for now vlr, I’m really curious to have your opinion on her, and I hope we can debate on that subjectin the comment. Byye…

#5
solsolid
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chest flatter than brim

#6
z12
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yes because that is what matters

#7
lakpx
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ofc, no one can compare to brim with his bigs

#9
Anguibok
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Funny enough, I call my model "place-holder-chan" because i've made it kinda fast on vroid, and I have no inspiration when it comes to visual, and I expected to change it X.X

So I think it will change one day... Maybe (And I take advice)

#12
aquaa018s_alterego
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Shes good as an initiator not a duelist

set your callback in main behind cover dash into site clear site then go back to ur tp

she can even just ult then dash in and kill all of them not even to mention her hinder

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Anguibok
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As an initiator ? Why ? I mean she doesnt have reveal nor flash.

Doesnt that mean the only way to play her is to play her in flex ? If thats true that mighte be a problem, because we already have so many flexs

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Galactc
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Kinda mid and feels forced to be a duelist imo riot love making far too many duelists for no reason or attempting to make aggressive agents on other roles

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