NA and EMEA Fans

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fiv5Mmmmm

Stop being lunatics and look at reality, you always try to look for someone to be the best in front of players from Brazil and LATAM
Aspas is the best duelist and best player in Valorant history
Sacy is the best initiator in Valorant history
Saadhak is the best igl and flex in Valorant history
Less is the best sentinel in Valorant history
and pANcada is not the best controller because shitinels sabotaged it, but it's still in the top 3
And that's a fact, you don't want to accept that because you're not NA or EMEA players
Looking forward to 2025, Brazilian teams will silence LA

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Brazil is a shit region that will never achieve anything significant in VAL again

There is a reason your best players leave your teams

At one point or another all of the ex LOUD players have left Brazil for another region

They know the region is horseshit

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Any user who has NRG's team flair is stupid, and you just proved it
What shit region is world champion and has the VCT title?
Stop being stupid, players leave Brazilian teams because NA/EMEA teams have more money to offer, and it's just because of that, because Less would leave a team he's used to, where he knows the players and has the fans by your side to play for a team you don't know and speak another language? Simple, money
You are stupid

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wrong

Shitzil’s best players have left Brazil because they know that its a shit region

Aspas and pancada returned because they didn’t have another option

The end goal of Shitzil players is to leave and move to another region team lol

It will forever be like this now.

Do you really think LEV pays that much more than LOUD?

Brazil’s best players will play on foreign teams and they will be a free win for others in VCT Americas

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fiv5Mmmmm

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You idiot, no player leaves a region because they "think it's shit"
And yes, it is OBVIOUS that LEV pays more than loud, that is a fact, Aspas had the highest salary in Valorant
pancada returned because he was sabotaged at Sentinels, what is the logic of hiring the best controller in the world, Champions mvp and placing him as a sentinel?
Use your head, I don't know if I can believe if you are a bait, a character, or are too stupid and really think that way.
Why would loud players leave the team because they "believed it was a shitty region" when they were world champions? They go out for money, you imbecile

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Aspas had the highest salary in Valorant

BLEED’s sScary says otherwise

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Are you seriously going to talk about someone from BLEED? The org that was kicked out of VCT for not paying players? Try again

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catNmouse

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yeah, you said that aspas was the highest salaried player when sscary has a higher salary than yays c9 buyout and his salary combined

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Sorry, but you can't take seriously an organization that was kicked out of a competition for not paying its players

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catNmouse

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the point is that sscary was paid more than aspas, not about what happened to bleed

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fiv5Mmmmm

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The point is, sscary didn't get paid

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Frooti

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They know that their teammates suck

Saadhak and less left because their bronzil teammates were holding them back

They will finally be able to perform on real times now

When qck is duelist of the best team in your region, you know it is talentless

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And the reason BR player leave BR team is : Los Angeles

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Obviously not
Rio de Janeiro >>>>>>>> LA

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You didnt understood my post

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Definitely not

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so true bro

anyway this is top 5 duelists ever

aspas
heat
mwzera
dgzin
d0rke

hm: havoc

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catNmouse

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pancada top 3??? no hate but respectfully there are others better than him

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fiv5Mmmmm

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IN HISTORY yes, not today, obviously

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catNmouse

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who’s your top 3 historically?

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Mindfreak
2/3. pANcada/Mako
and before anyone starts talking about TenZ, he played most of his career as a duelist, it doesn't make sense to place him as one of the best in this role
And Marved died in Iceland

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i would switch mako and mindfreak or replace him with marved

marved was great at iceland idk what you mean by him dying there as he was solid in copenhagen too. he wasn’t that great in champs but not horrible either

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fiv5Mmmmm

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I don't think he was very good in Copenhagen, in that championship Yay was at his peak, he practically carried Optic
In addition to that Marved then unlearned how to play Valorant, he was kicked from the same team twice

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You are confusing copenhagen with champions. yay was at his peak in champions and marved wasn’t that good in that event.

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fiv5Mmmmm

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yay he was at his peak in these 2 competitions
In Copenhagen he was destructive, Marved was nowhere near the same level as in Reykjavik

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pancada died in istanbul
what's your point???

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Yes, but look at the difference, one died being a world champion, and still plays at the highest level
The other will have to send their CV to McDonalds

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least biased bronzillian

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Said the fan of DRX, the most failed team in Valorant

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FNS has passed away from old age. Thousands come to his funeral to honor him. Saadhak shows up in a wheelchair to pay respects to his old rival. The funeral attendant tells Saadhak to open the casket to say goodbye. He opens the casket but only a note is left. "I'm not dead. I rotated B. Get owned." Saadhak yells at Aspas to go grab his Operator

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goated pasta

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fiv5Mmmmm

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absolute cinema

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bait was believable until you said s0cy is the best initiator

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fiv5Mmmmm

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But he is, any player you try to argue that he isn't hasn't won half of his titles

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uwukitten

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leo is better than s0cy in literally every aspect of the game

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Clutch? Intelligence?
Use of skills?
Flexibility?
Hospital Man is only better than Sacy in the crosshair

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uwukitten

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sacy wasn't even top 10 in a single event he played in 😂

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fiv5Mmmmm

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And since when do stats say who is better? Aren't you the ones who criticize Aspas (THE GOAT) by calling him a statpas?
Donkeys

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yeah the player who can barely get a 1.0 rating in half the events he's in is better than one of the best rated players of all time 😹might as well say cned is better than aspas at this point

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fiv5Mmmmm

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You are very stupid

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catNmouse

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“hospital man” ???

Flexibility?

Leo can play Sova, Gekko, Fade, Skye, Breach, and even sage considering that’s one of his highest picked agents, slightly more flexible than sacy

Intelligence?

You seem to heavily underestimate how smart of a player leo is, he always knows what to do even in high pressure situations

Use of skills?

Still has great util usage overall

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Sacy also plays with all of these agents, in addition to having played as a controller several times, and his fifth most picked agent was a duelist (Jett)
So no, Leo is not more flexible than Sacy
I didn't say that Leo isn't smart, however, he isn't smarter than Sacy, and that's another thing that should be a fact, the Sentinels players themselves said that Sacy was one of the smartest players they've ever played together
And lastly, I didn't say that Leo doesn't know how to use his skills, obviously not, I just said that Sacy uses them better
Hospital Man is overrated

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leo played omen more times than sacy ever played controller

fnatic players also said that leo is one of the smartest they’ve played with. obviously sacys intangibles cannot be overlooked but again you are heavily underestimating leo because he doesn’t have a champions trophy like sacy does. i respect sacy a lot but let’s stop pretending that he’s straight up better than leo at everything

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fiv5Mmmmm

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I didn't say that Sacy is better than Leo in everything, Leo is better at aiming and that's all
Without Sacy, shitinels would not be able to win any titles in 2024
Without Leo, fnatic would win the same things they won in 2023 and 2024, stop overestimating Hospital Man

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catNmouse

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they wouldn’t have won lock-in without him, what are you on about?

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best initiator is leo
best flex is chronicle
igl is between saadhak fns and boaster so i'll give you that at least
less best senti is true
pancada top 5 at best

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fiv5Mmmmm

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you are stupid, FNS lived being beaten by saadhak and getting angry, fns is washed
Chronicle only became flex last year, before that he was an Initiator, it doesn't make sense to place him as one of the best in the role
Leo is not more victorious nor better than Sacy, Hospital Man is overrated

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lol never in these 4 years have fnatic fans ever wanted leo gone from the team like sen fans wanted sacy to leave, only thing sacy has over leo is a champs trophy for now

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fiv5Mmmmm

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shitinels fans wanted Sacy out because they are ungrateful and stupid, just like any na fan, without Sacy they wouldn't have won anything

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Chronicle only became flex last year, before that he was an Initiator, it doesn't make sense to place him as one of the best in the role

he flexed to brimstone, killjoy, viper and skye in 2021

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just as delusional as my fellow eu fans

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This might be the most biased and delusional take I have EVER read in vlr and blud can't take 1 criticism. yikes.

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catNmouse

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he freaks out whenever you say that leo is better than sacy at other things that isn’t aim

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fiv5Mmmmm

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What do you mean I'm going crazy? It's a fact that Sacy is better than Leo, Homem Hospital is overrated, a great player, but he's overrated, I don't doubt that he'll become better than Sacy because the bald guy retired, but for now he's not

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catNmouse

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hospital man would hospitalize 90% of the t1 initiators including sachi if he was in a 1v1 vs him

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Yes, you just proved my point, Leo has more aim than Sacy

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You literally just said that sacy is a better clutcher than leo though….

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fiv5Mmmmm

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And that's true

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Leo plays in clutch situations a lot and has a better chance at winning the round than him

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fiv5Mmmmm

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It's not my fault you didn't watch Sacy play properly

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fiv5Mmmmm

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I just spoke facts, and what do you mean I can't take criticism, we're here to debate and present arguments, right?

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your replies to people with different views are far from "debate" though.
"you are stupid" (not very "debate" like)
"Said the fan of DRX, the most failed team in Valorant" (when they came up with MULTIPLE set plays and lineups that many teams use even now)
"shitinels"
"Chronicle only became flex last year" (Chronicle was playing controller/sentinel/initiator regularly from GAMBIT days)

it just sounds like you are not even remotely ready for a proper debate.

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fiv5Mmmmm

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Shall we stop being hypocrites? Na fans are exactly like that too, I just responded in kind.
And no, Chronicle was the team's main initiator, even though he actually played some maps with other roles, Redgar and Sheydos were much more flexible than him

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if you want a proper discussion, just ignore them or reply with proper way mate.
Chronicle, sheydos, and redgar all were switching roles for certain maps.
Sheydos usually rotated between skye and sage (sometimes reyna)
chronicle filled in the roles when redgar played breach with brimstone, also filled in with viper, sova, skye, and kj. coming into 2022, he even played chamber and raze.
It was sheydos who went full time initiator during M3C days.
Chronicle was ALWAYS the flex player of the team with redgar and sheydos too in the GMB days but towards the end of GMB and during M3C, chronicle was playing in every role

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im sorry that your region doesnt have a single good team for next year

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fiv5Mmmmm

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MIBR laughed at that
Edit: Said the Turkish man who supports Vitality, because bbl and fut are 2 horrible teams

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Aspas is the only valid take here.

Sacy was a mid initiator at best in 2024. He was fucking dogshit in 2023 and Crashies rivaled him in 2022. You can't say one's better than another. Also, Sacy was a Sova one trick.

Saadhak is not the best IGL or flex in history either. He's top 3 with FNS and Boaster. It's impossible to decide who's the best out of the 3. In terms of flexing, he was pretty good in 2022 and 23 (mostly carried by aspas). Look at him in 2024. Losing to fucking furia bruh.

pAncada is not even the best smokes in 2022. Top 3 in 2022 Was 1. Mako

Marved
pAncada
Marved and pAncada are replaceable.
He was utter dogshit in both 2023 and 24.

Less is a very good sentinel but he hasn't proven himself enough for recent times. He was definitely the best in 2022 but Alfajer was undoubtedly better and the best in 2023. I'm not even gonna talk about 2024. Less was dogshit again

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Less's 2024 was better than Alfajer's. At the beginning of the year, when the LOUD stage was good, he posted incredible statistics, in stage 1 he was very good, and in stage 2 he was average. Overall, his year was better than Alfajer's, even though it was impacted by LOUD's terrible phase.

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less > alfajer in h2h